I think they are getting somewhere. I just wonder if they are going to be completely spent, and if they can possibly hold wherever it is that they get?
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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JFC, this hwk23 guy is at worst a Russian troll, and at best a stooge. Why are some of you wasting your lives with him? As mentioned, he's probably an offshoot of one of the trolls that was banned, or has been put on ignore by most of the board.
One more handle for my pile.
One more handle for my pile.
JFC, "the west" was not going to do anything to Russia. This is all bullshit.
Ukraine Drone Records Its Death After Doing Its Job
That’s the question…
If the casualty figures being put out are to be believed they should have been “spent” a few weeks ago.
Nice display of power by the US as the USS Kearsarge docks in Stockholm after previous stops in the Baltics and Norway.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation...or-military-exercises-and-as-a-warning/?amp=1
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation...or-military-exercises-and-as-a-warning/?amp=1
Biden says “at some point along the line, there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement.” He’s right about that but the US needs to get involved. It’s too important. Show some leadership. He acts like a passive observer. It doesn’t have to include ceding land.
Who the hell is running this country?
nypost.com
Who the hell is running this country?
Biden says Ukraine might have to give Russia land in ‘negotiated settlement’
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war objectives remain murky, but Biden claimed in February that Putin was attempting “re-establish the former Soviet Union” by seizing territory…
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How is the U.S going to broker a peace?Biden says “at some point along the line, there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement.” He’s right about that but the US needs to get involved. It’s too important. Show some leadership. He acts like a passive observer. It doesn’t have to include ceding land.
Who the hell is running this country?
Biden says Ukraine might have to give Russia land in ‘negotiated settlement’
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war objectives remain murky, but Biden claimed in February that Putin was attempting “re-establish the former Soviet Union” by seizing territory…
Biden is correct. After a war there is usually an agreement or settlement.Biden says “at some point along the line, there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement.” He’s right about that but the US needs to get involved. It’s too important. Show some leadership. He acts like a passive observer. It doesn’t have to include ceding land.
Who the hell is running this country?
Biden says Ukraine might have to give Russia land in ‘negotiated settlement’
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war objectives remain murky, but Biden claimed in February that Putin was attempting “re-establish the former Soviet Union” by seizing territory…
WWII- Potsdam and Paris Peace Treaty
Are you asking what pressure the U.S. can apply?
I guess that depends to what degree you think the EU nations will carry Ukraine in its efforts if the US does not.
Well if the US doesn't support Ukraine ,Russia will take over Ukraine. Is that your idea of peace?Are you asking what pressure the U.S. can apply?
I guess that depends to what degree you think the EU nations will carry Ukraine in its efforts if the US does not.
Ukrainian forces are successfully slowing down Russian operations to encircle Ukrainian positions in Luhansk Oblast as well as Russian frontal assaults in Severodonetsk through prudent and effective local counterattacks in Severodonetsk and their defense of the western Siverskyi Donets riverbank. Ukrainian officials reported on June 3 that Ukrainian defenders pushed back against Russian advances in Severodonetsk and are actively hindering Russian advances on Lysychansk from the southwest.[1] Luhansk Oblast Administration Head Serhiy Haidai disagreed with the UK Defense Ministry forecast on June 3 that Russian forces will seize the remaining 10% of the oblast in the next two weeks, claiming that Ukrainian forces have enough reinforcements and equipment to conduct further counterattacks and defend their positions.[2] Haidai noted that Russian forces wrongfully believe in their own successes, enabling Ukrainian defenders to inflict high losses against unsuspecting Chechen units. Pro-Russian milblogger Voenkor Kotyenok Z claimed that Russian forces are unlikely to break through Ukrainian defenses in Lysychansk from Severodonetsk (through continued frontal assaults and an opposed crossing of the Siverskyi Donetsk River) and will likely need to complete the drive from Popasna if they hope to capture Lysychansk.[3] Voenkor Kotyenok Z claimed that Ukrainian forces could prevent Russian river crossings from Severodonetsk and highlighted that Russian forces have not yet secured access to two key highways to Lysychansk.
The Ukrainian government and military are furthermore discussing the battle of Severodonetsk in increasingly confident terms and are likely successfully blunting the Russian military’s major commitment of reserves to the grinding battle for the city. While Russian forces may still be able to capture Severodonetsk and Lysychansk and Ukrainian forces are likely more degraded than Haidai’s statements imply, Ukrainian defenses remain strong in this pivotal theater. The Russian military has concentrated all of its available resources on this single battle to make only modest gains. The Ukrainian military contrarily retains the flexibility and confidence to not only conduct localized counterattacks elsewhere in Ukraine (such as north of Kherson) but conduct effective counterattacks into the teeth of Russian assaults in Severodonetsk that reportedly retook 20% of the city in the last 24 hours. The Ukrainian government’s confidence in directly stating its forces can hold Severodonetsk for more than two weeks and willingness to conduct local counterattacks, rather than strictly remaining on the defensive, is a marked shift from Ukrainian statements as recently as May 28 that Ukrainian forces might withdraw from Severodonetsk to avoid encirclement.[4]
Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov reiterated on June 3 that Russia will continue its “special military operation” in Ukraine until Russia achieves all of its objectives.[5] Peskov noted that Russia has already “liberated” many settlements since the start of the operation. Kremlin officials have begun steadily returning to their original claims about the successes of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in contrast to previous statements in late May explaining the slow pace of the war.[6] Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu also claimed on June 3 that Russian forces are adopting new unspecified tasks to accelerate the progress of the war.[7] The Kremlin is likely setting conditions to announce some sort of victory in eastern Ukraine while preparing for a protracted war. The Kremlin has not abandoned its maximalist political goals for Ukraine even though it has been forced to revise downward its immediate military objectives.
Key Takeaways
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The Ukrainian government and military are furthermore discussing the battle of Severodonetsk in increasingly confident terms and are likely successfully blunting the Russian military’s major commitment of reserves to the grinding battle for the city. While Russian forces may still be able to capture Severodonetsk and Lysychansk and Ukrainian forces are likely more degraded than Haidai’s statements imply, Ukrainian defenses remain strong in this pivotal theater. The Russian military has concentrated all of its available resources on this single battle to make only modest gains. The Ukrainian military contrarily retains the flexibility and confidence to not only conduct localized counterattacks elsewhere in Ukraine (such as north of Kherson) but conduct effective counterattacks into the teeth of Russian assaults in Severodonetsk that reportedly retook 20% of the city in the last 24 hours. The Ukrainian government’s confidence in directly stating its forces can hold Severodonetsk for more than two weeks and willingness to conduct local counterattacks, rather than strictly remaining on the defensive, is a marked shift from Ukrainian statements as recently as May 28 that Ukrainian forces might withdraw from Severodonetsk to avoid encirclement.[4]
Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov reiterated on June 3 that Russia will continue its “special military operation” in Ukraine until Russia achieves all of its objectives.[5] Peskov noted that Russia has already “liberated” many settlements since the start of the operation. Kremlin officials have begun steadily returning to their original claims about the successes of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in contrast to previous statements in late May explaining the slow pace of the war.[6] Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu also claimed on June 3 that Russian forces are adopting new unspecified tasks to accelerate the progress of the war.[7] The Kremlin is likely setting conditions to announce some sort of victory in eastern Ukraine while preparing for a protracted war. The Kremlin has not abandoned its maximalist political goals for Ukraine even though it has been forced to revise downward its immediate military objectives.
Key Takeaways
- Ukrainian forces conducted successful local counterattacks in Severodonetsk and Russian progress in direct assaults on the city and wider operations to encircle it remain slow. Ukrainian defenses in eastern Ukraine remain effective.
- Russian forces launched a series of unsuccessful offensive operations southwest of Izyum and in the Lyman area.
- Russian forces continued to defend previously occupied positions around Kharkiv City and launched missile and artillery strikes against Ukrainian defenders.
- Russian forces did not attempt to launch assaults on settlements in Kherson and Zaporizhia Oblast but continued to fire at Ukrainian positions throughout southern Ukraine.
- The Kremlin faces rising partisan activity in southern Ukraine despite Russian efforts to restrict movement and telecommunications access.
- Ukrainian officials are continuing negotiations for a prisoner exchange of the captured Mariupol defenders.
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Ukrainian forces are successfully slowing down Russian operations to encircle Ukrainian positions in Luhansk Oblast as well as Russian frontal assaults in Severodonetsk through prudent and effective local counterattacks in Severodonetsk and their defense
Interactive Map: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
This interactive map complements the static control-of-terrain maps that ISW daily produces with high-fidelity.
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EXACTLY.
Humiliate him. Let him end up like Ghaddafi....
I appreciate Ukraine's social media game a lot, but that is just stupid. The last place I associate with one using terms like "libtard" is a NY coffee shop.
I saw a car today with an I[heart]NY bumper sticker right above a Trump 2020 one.
Sometimes life throws you curve balls.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ft-missiles-tanks-ukraine-el-pais-2022-06-05/
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"These tanks are part of a batch of 108 used units that Germany sold to Spain in 1995 prior to a contract to produce Leopard in Spain.
According to sources, approximately 40 tanks could be repaired and handed over to the Ukrainian army. However, the vehicles would need some upgrades done by the defense industry.
In addition, Spain had offered Ukraine to conduct military training in the handling of armored vehicles. The training will initially take place in Latvia, where the Spanish army has deployed a contingent of 500 soldiers and six Leopard 2E tanks. In the second stage, the training of Ukrainian tankers will be conducted in Spain.
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/spain-is-...nks-and-shorad-aspide-anti-aircraft-missiles/
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The US controls or influences every aspect of this from the West side, including sanctions, Nato, security guarantees, and also the US involvement/partnership in Ukraine. Moreso than Ukraine. Ukraine will likely agree to whatever the US comes up with that works. I doubt it would have to include ceding territory but it will include neutrality for sure. Ukraine is in a very precarious position and has to be careful not to lose US support. It's a lot of support, influence and money and if they lose that it's over. It makes it difficult to negotiate, especially things like neutrality. That's the problem.
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That's not what he means if you read the article. He is responding to the question “Does Ukraine have to cede territory to achieve peace?”
Here's the full quote.
“From the beginning, I’ve said and I’ve been — not everyone’s agreed with me — nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine,” Biden began his answer. “It’s their territory. I’m not going to tell them what they should and shouldn’t do.
“But it appears to me that at some point along the line, there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement here,” the president added. “And what that entails, I don’t know. I don’t think anybody knows at the time. But in the meantime, we’re gonna continue to put the Ukrainians in a position where they can defend themselves.”
I mean there's a reason that they're raising the service age to people over 50 in Russia. They're running out of young cannon fodder, so time to throw old cannon fodder out there.
I think the part of the equation that’s missing in the analysis of casualties ect is accurate Ukrainian military losses. I’m thinking they’re probably higher than reported which is understandable.
It’d explain the disconnect with what we’re seeing in the static nature of the conflict at the moment.
So, after reading the article, key points are:
- They are going to send a battery of Selenia Aspide AA missiles, on their surface to air configuration.
- There are 40 Leo2a4 that were previously mothballed that the government is trying to reactivate to be sent to Ukraine
-There are 6 Leo2E (Leo2a6) in Latvia that will serve to train ukranian crews initially
-Supposedly, ukranian crews will eventually came to Spain to train in the Leo2a4s
-It seems that the final intention is for the tanks to be sent for actual combat usage, however that is still far off, and the plan is for them to act as training vehicles as of now.
Edit: Seems that the idea of sending those mothballed Leo2a4 is not new, as it was already discussed back in april 18, so maybe the reactivation process is somewhat advanced?
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