This week's Iowa slight from Mr. Foley

[MSU158]

When I have time, I will find the preseason article. This was not the original predictions.

Without showing a CONSIDERABLE bias, which PSU wrestler should have been a preseason pick to win it all? Gulibon?

125:3 of the top 4 finishers from the previous season returned and Megaludis had a very inactive redshirt season.
133:Conaway bumped up to a weight that returned Brewer and Clark, let alone Garrett also bumping up.
141:Gulibon bumping up and getting a preseason #1 from FLO was maybe the joke of all rankings for the year.
149:Retherford proved to be a monster, but what DI info was there to solidly predict he would place ahead of returning champ Tsirtsis?
157:Nolf had Martinez, Miller and Brascetta returning.
165:No need to address.
174:Nickal was a freshman with a very limited resume
184:No need to address.
197:McIntosh should definitely have been a favored finalist but Cox(motivated) was clearly the best going into the weight.
285:An injured freshman.

 

[MSU158]

He made those picks right after the 2015 NCAA's. He has Sorenson at 141, Hunter Stieber healthy at 149, Taylor Massa healthy at 174 and Snyder still at 197. At that point in time, what PSU guy should have been inserted above his list?

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Without showing a CONSIDERABLE bias, which PSU wrestler should have been a preseason pick to win it all? Gulibon?

125:3 of the top 4 finishers from the previous season returned and Megaludis had a very inactive redshirt season.
133:Conaway bumped up to a weight that returned Brewer and Clark, let alone Garrett also bumping up.
141:Gulibon bumping up and getting a preseason #1 from FLO was maybe the joke of all rankings for the year.
149:Retherford proved to be a monster, but what DI info was there to solidly predict he would place ahead of returning champ Tsirtsis?
157:Nolf had Martinez, Miller and Brascetta returning.
165:No need to address.
174:Nickal was a freshman with a very limited resume
184:No need to address.
197:McIntosh should definitely have been a favored finalist but Cox(motivated) was clearly the best going into the weight.
285:An injured freshman.

Nice apology. Anyway, my beef wasnt the lack of champions but he didnt even have anyone in the finals. Mega a two time previous finalist. Retherford, dominating true freshman year. McIntosh, seriously? Everyone else had him in the finals. I understand not predicting the freshmen in the finals.

Edit: before running your mouth about me. How about asking where my source was first?

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

With only 2 days left in April, THIS, might have just jumped ahead of a few good AZ Chief come backs this week, to earn my nomination for "Smack Down of the Month" Although AZ did provide a video link and........... presentation does counts for something.....going to be a close one.

**Update: Both MSU and AZ Chief were smack downs of the same poster Cali Nittany. Sorry Cali - you are definitely in the lead for Face Plant of the Month. But don't stress it, I have won the award 3 times since July 2015. Here is the thread link to the first Smack Down. https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/snap-another-great-match-up.122793/
Judge for yourself. #badweek #factcheck #checkbeforeyoupost

AZ Chief's smackdown is going to be hard to beat. It's still the best of the year in my opinion.

Cali said "Dean may win but Nickal isn't going to be held to 2 points against anyone." In reference to a hypothetical matchup of Dean vs Nickal.

AZ responded 8 minutes later with a video of Dean holding Nickal to 2 points.

One of the best internet smackdowns I've seen in awhile.

 

[Neo_Hawk]

AZ Chief's smackdown is going to be hard to beat. It's still the best of the year in my opinion.

Cali said "Dean may win but Nickal isn't going to be held to 2 points against anyone." In reference to a hypothetical matchup of Dean vs Nickal.

AZ responded 8 minutes later with a video of Dean holding Nickal to 2 points.

One of the best internet smackdowns I've seen in awhile.

Of course you are right. Silly for me to even consider any other challenger, although I think AZ Chief has a distinct advantage as I believe he is in the Matrix, which would technically disqualify him.

 

[Azchief32]

I love the carrot top from Tejas...has been fun to watch since his sophomore year. Gabe had the advantage in size but Bo had him in experience both regular mat time and freestyle. Dean was only a winter guy before Cornell.

Dean is just very hard to score on...so solid, and this was a freestyle match where points generally come easier than folk. It's not like Bo first discovered aggression and point scoring at PSU, no matter what they say.

As for T.R., I believe the two things he is most proud of is his disdain for Iowa and his "Resting Bitch Face." Our two guys scared they wouldn't make the PSU team...haha. Bet he even laughed so hard he sprayed the Organic, fair trade coffee he was drinking at the thought of it.

 

[hawkgradstud]

To say that Strittmatter guided them to Iowa is laughable! Lee mentioned that Jody was very hands off...so were his parents for that matter. Look at all the other hammers in that program. Just recently we started landing them (Kemerer, Young, Lee, Teasdale). I'd like to see a list of all the programs that those guys have gone to over the past 5 years.

"However, I am almost as certain that Strittmatter wasn't heavy-handed about the approach, and rather these kids just grew up knowing about their coach's Iowa roots, hearing stories and maybe envisioning themselves in the singlet."

You don't have to like the guy, but don't put words in his mouth. He just said he thinks Strittmatter influenced Lee's and Teasdale's decisions. Then he clarifies that he suspects just being around them with stories of wrestling for Iowa in CHA and such is likely what influenced them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[championhawk]

"However, I am almost as certain that Strittmatter wasn't heavy-handed about the approach, and rather these kids just grew up knowing about their coach's Iowa roots, hearing stories and maybe envisioning themselves in the singlet."

You don't have to like the guy, but don't put words in his mouth. He just said he thinks Strittmatter influenced Lee's and Teasdale's decisions. Then he clarifies that he suspects just being around them with stories of wrestling for Iowa in CHA and such is likely what influenced them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Hi Foley. You're a dick

 

[goiahawkeyes]

it's not iowa wrestling that took a hit it's youngs guns and jodys livelihood i'm sure he can handle it because he's the best at what he's doing, but if enough people out there feel he is being unfair then his business could suffer.

"However, I am almost as certain that Strittmatter wasn't heavy-handed about the approach, and rather these kids just grew up knowing about their coach's Iowa roots, hearing stories and maybe envisioning themselves in the singlet."

You don't have to like the guy, but don't put words in his mouth. He just said he thinks Strittmatter influenced Lee's and Teasdale's decisions. Then he clarifies that he suspects just being around them with stories of wrestling for Iowa in CHA and such is likely what influenced them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

You might be right, but I doubt there was any more Iowa influence put on Lee / Teasdale than everyone else in that room. Lee made it CLEAR that his top 2 reasons for coming to Iowa were Tom and Terry.

 

[hawkgradstud]

Hi Foley. You're a dick

<3

 

[hawkgradstud]

You might be right, but I doubt there was any more Iowa influence put on Lee / Teasdale than everyone else in that room. Lee made it CLEAR that his top 2 reasons for coming to Iowa were Tom and Terry.

I don't disagree with that, but they might have been influenced more just because of their personality, interest in wrestling history, etc.

 

[Neo_Hawk]

"However, I am almost as certain that Strittmatter wasn't heavy-handed about the approach, and rather these kids just grew up knowing about their coach's Iowa roots, hearing stories and maybe envisioning themselves in the singlet."

You don't have to like the guy, but don't put words in his mouth. He just said he thinks Strittmatter influenced Lee's and Teasdale's decisions. Then he clarifies that he suspects just being around them with stories of wrestling for Iowa in CHA and such is likely what influenced them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Your defense of him is ridiculous based on the facts. As Foley stated "There are any number of reasons that Spencer Lee traveled to Iowa for college rather than stayed in Pennsylvania." So why does he not use his journalistic skills and investigate the facts as stated by Spencer himself, he gave CP a Top Ten reasons why list, let's start there. How often does this happen, where a recruit gives us Ten reasons why he is going somewhere. It never happens, but it did in this case, so there is no excuse not to use that as a basis for answering this questions.

But if you think none of these could actually be the real reason, lets look at the facts, he just came from Olympic Trials and saw 2 former Iowa wrestlers wrestling for the 57k spot in the finals to rep the US. This is where Spencer wants to be, so might this be a reason? Iowa had a finalist a 133 last year and two finalist at 125 and 133 this year, might this be a reason? He said he really connected with McDominate, who was a former 2x Champ and with his first coming his freshman year, might this be a reason? How about he just wanted to wrestle for one of the top programs in the nation, this is reasonable and narrows the field to 3 or 4 schools, might this be good enough?

One thing is for sure, Spencer outright stated that no one in his inner circle, including Stritt, tried to influenced him on where to go.........so..........

Knowing all this, why would the ONE reason why Foley gave contradict everything that has been said by these two and everything that is known? Strittmatters name should never have been mentioned. Also, in what world would Spencer Lee wonder if he would be able to start right away? A normal wrestler, maybe, the #1 all everything wrestler? This thought never crossed his mind.

But hey, nice first post Foley, i mean hawkgradstud.

 

[MSU158]

Nice apology. Anyway, my beef wasnt the lack of champions but he didnt even have anyone in the finals. Mega a two time previous finalist. Retherford, dominating true freshman year. McIntosh, seriously? Everyone else had him in the finals. I understand not predicting the freshmen in the finals.

Edit: before running your mouth about me. How about asking where my source was first?

I owe you no apology. I proved that he DID predict 3 champs last year. You implied that he NEVER did. Getting mad that he didn't predict them immediately after a season that Sanderson redshirted most of his talent is an extreme stretch.

If you don't want to be challenged be more specific.

Also, why would he pick McIntosh over Snyder and Cox? Retherford and Megaludis both had nearly no redshirt results to point to. Going into the season it was very hard for anyone without serious PSU ties or extremely PSU colored glasses to make the picks you think he should have.

 

[hawkssox1]

I owe you no apology. I proved that he DID predict 3 champs last year. You implied that he NEVER did. Getting mad that he didn't predict them immediately after a season that Sanderson redshirted most of his talent is an extreme stretch.

If you don't want to be challenged be more specific.

Also, why would he pick McIntosh over Snyder and Cox? Retherford and Megaludis both had nearly no redshirt results to point to. Going into the season it was very hard for anyone without serious PSU ties or extremely PSU colored glasses to make the picks you think he should have.

How about you two continue this on BWI where it belongs.

 

[MSU158]

Although I like the way you posed a question in the form of a statement, I must still respectfully decline.

 

[HoundedHawk]

Spencer Lee was just called a liar by Foley on multiple statements.

 

[DonHawkeye]

Seriously, this thread is the exact reason Foley writes these shill questions for himself to answer every week.

 

[wasdt21]

nice post neo. in calis defense he was just refuting that foley is a penn st fan. now foley does favor penn st over iowa, but it's big 10 wrestling and that is beneath mr foley.

 

[hawkgradstud]

Your defense of him is ridiculous based on the facts. As Foley stated "There are any number of reasons that Spencer Lee traveled to Iowa for college rather than stayed in Pennsylvania." So why does he not use his journalistic skills and investigate the facts as stated by Spencer himself, he gave CP a Top Ten reasons why list, let's start there. How often does this happen, where a recruit gives us Ten reasons why he is going somewhere. It never happens, but it did in this case, so there is no excuse not to use that as a basis for answering this questions.

But if you think none of these could actually be the real reason, lets look at the facts, he just came from Olympic Trials and saw 2 former Iowa wrestlers wrestling for the 57k spot in the finals to rep the US. This is where Spencer wants to be, so might this be a reason? Iowa had a finalist a 133 last year and two finalist at 125 and 133 this year, might this be a reason? He said he really connected with McDominate, who was a former 2x Champ and with his first coming his freshman year, might this be a reason? How about he just wanted to wrestle for one of the top programs in the nation, this is reasonable and narrows the field to 3 or 4 schools, might this be good enough?

One thing is for sure, Spencer outright stated that no one in his inner circle, including Stritt, tried to influenced him on where to go.........so..........

Knowing all this, why would the ONE reason why Foley gave contradict everything that has been said by these two and everything that is known? Strittmatters name should never have been mentioned. Also, in what world would Spencer Lee wonder if he would be able to start right away? A normal wrestler, maybe, the #1 all everything wrestler? This thought never crossed his mind.

But hey, nice first post Foley, i mean hawkgradstud.

All I did was point out where TR said he doesn't think Strittmatter was heavy handed about it. From my interpretation, TR was stating that he thought Strittmatter's presence (being a former Hawkeye wrestler) probably influenced Lee's decision. Not that he tried to influence it, but just by being someone he trusts, probably hearing stories of Hawkeye wrestlers and wrestling in CHA.

If you want to criticize TR for not bringing up the Brands Bros or Spencer Lee's list then go ahead. Those are fair criticisms. All I did was defend TR when someone else was putting words in his mouth. I guess I forgot the hate for TR on this board, so defending him in any capacity was a silly and feeble attempt. I'll take that hit.

And since the cat is out of the bag, maybe one of you frequent posters can tell me how to change my username to "DefinitelyTRFoley" ?

 

[Azchief32]

Your defense of him is ridiculous based on the facts. As Foley stated "There are any number of reasons that Spencer Lee traveled to Iowa for college rather than stayed in Pennsylvania." So why does he not use his journalistic skills and investigate the facts as stated by Spencer himself, he gave CP a Top Ten reasons why list, let's start there. How often does this happen, where a recruit gives us Ten reasons why he is going somewhere. It never happens, but it did in this case, so there is no excuse not to use that as a basis for answering this questions.

But if you think none of these could actually be the real reason, lets look at the facts, he just came from Olympic Trials and saw 2 former Iowa wrestlers wrestling for the 57k spot in the finals to rep the US. This is where Spencer wants to be, so might this be a reason? Iowa had a finalist a 133 last year and two finalist at 125 and 133 this year, might this be a reason? He said he really connected with McDominate, who was a former 2x Champ and with his first coming his freshman year, might this be a reason? How about he just wanted to wrestle for one of the top programs in the nation, this is reasonable and narrows the field to 3 or 4 schools, might this be good enough?

One thing is for sure, Spencer outright stated that no one in his inner circle, including Stritt, tried to influenced him on where to go.........so..........

Knowing all this, why would the ONE reason why Foley gave contradict everything that has been said by these two and everything that is known? Strittmatters name should never have been mentioned. Also, in what world would Spencer Lee wonder if he would be able to start right away? A normal wrestler, maybe, the #1 all everything wrestler? This thought never crossed his mind.

But hey, nice first post Foley, i mean hawkgradstud.

Case closed. Well done Neo.

However, while I am almost certain that TR is an Iowa troll, who just insinuated that Jody steered recruits to Iowa, he didn't do it in a heavy-handed manner but left himself an out like any good corporate D-Bag would.

 

[Azchief32]

All I did was point out where TR said he doesn't think Strittmatter was heavy handed about it. From my interpretation, TR was stating that he thought Strittmatter's presence (being a former Hawkeye wrestler) probably influenced Lee's decision. Not that he tried to influence it, but just by being someone he trusts, probably hearing stories of Hawkeye wrestlers and wrestling in CHA.

If you want to criticize TR for not bringing up the Brands Bros or Spencer Lee's list then go ahead. Those are fair criticisms. All I did was defend TR when someone else was putting words in his mouth. I guess I forgot the hate for TR on this board, so defending him in any capacity was a silly and feeble attempt. I'll take that hit.

And since the cat is out of the bag, maybe one of you frequent posters can tell me how to change my username to "DefinitelyTRFoley" ?

Just start over...its not like you have a posting history except on this issue

 

[Chopper25]

TR Foley=Typical Liberal Millennial.

The good news is because Jody Strittmatter is now a recruiting for Iowa we should get all the top Young Guns from here on out. If it wasn't for Coop we probably would have gotten Nolf too. I just hope Lee and Teasdale get over being afraid of Suriano before they get on campus.

 

[rossel 33]

Foley:

"My instincts tells me that Strittmatter influenced both their decisions in going to Iowa."

His "instincts"?!? No factual basis, ignores Lee's 10 reasons, and gives no credit to TnT..... right.

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"....However, I am almost as certain that Strittmatter wasn't heavy-handed about the approach"

How nice.... Foley is "almost" certain it wasn't "heavy handed".... I guess we can infer there is still the possibility Strittmatter was "heavy handed."

Quality journalism from Foley there.... smear Strittmatter, give no credit to Brands, and ignore what Lee wrote.

 

[rossel 33]

Speaking of "journalism" I listened to a discussion re Lee and Teasdale picking Iowa on Flo several days ago, between CP and Willie.

I had thought Willie was starting to be less hostile to Iowa in recent months, but he said some things which were not all that accurate or fair, imo.

I'm not going back to get the exact quotes, but the basic gist was that Willie seemed to say PSU is good because Cael develops wrestlers, and one only needs to look at their bonus points to see that. When CP mentioned PSU getting top recruits, Willie downplayed that and stated that was "an excuse for whiners."

Whereas there was a perception that Iowa doesn't develop wrestlers, and there are a "a lot of doubters about Iowa's program." CP suggested this was propaganda.

My 2 cents.... TnT do develop wrestlers, as good or better than anyone in the country. That should be obvious to anyone except the anti-Iowa contingent. But you need some raw material to work with. Until recently, that has been the one area where Iowa has fallen back.... getting top ten type recruits. These types of guys greatly improve the chances of winning a team championship. One superstar (a Metcalf, Taylor, Ruth, etc) can single handedly put his team in the top 20.

 

[Wendy79]

If any program can get a few unicorns, it will be successful. PSU has had more than a few unicorns in the last 6ish years. That's not to say Cael isn't able to develop wrestlers and so on. But having someone as talented as a Ruth or a Taylor or a Lee or a McD on the team will make a coach look good.

 

[Azchief32]

Speaking of "journalism" I listened to a discussion re Lee and Teasdale picking Iowa on Flo several days ago, between CP and Willie.

I had thought Willie was starting to be less hostile to Iowa in recent months, but he said some things which were not all that accurate or fair, imo.

I'm not going back to get the exact quotes, but the basic gist was that Willie seemed to say PSU is good because Cael develops wrestlers, and one only needs to look at their bonus points to see that. When CP mentioned PSU getting top recruits, Willie downplayed that and stated that was "an excuse for whiners."

Whereas there was a perception that Iowa doesn't develop wrestlers, and there are a "a lot of doubters about Iowa's program." CP suggested this was propaganda.

My 2 cents.... TnT do develop wrestlers, as good or better than anyone in the country. That should be obvious to anyone except the anti-Iowa contingent. But you need some raw material to work with. Until recently, that has been the one area where Iowa has fallen back.... getting top ten type recruits. These types of guys greatly improve the chances of winning a team championship. One superstar (a Metcalf, Taylor, Ruth, etc) can single handedly put his team in the top 20.

Will be fun to see Lee and Teasdale "develop." Teasdale has a tough test in Brian Rossi tomorrow...think he'll be in his third year at Stanford and then the winner between Picciniiniini and Assad...who Bryce West gave a nice match.

 

[hawkssox1]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.Reading Foley or watching Flo ............

 

[DonHawkeye]

Lets just say that having a go to leader in the room can change a whole programs dynamic and attitude. It also seems like in wrestling that these guys have to be the best of the best to have everyone follow. From what I can tell Taylor was the game changer at PSU. Obviously Cael was a huge component of the turn around but Taylor was a prefect guy to turn a program around in hurry with. Without Taylor I am not sure Ed Ruth is Ed Ruth. Without Taylor I am not sure the whole culture of PSU changes. Without culture change I am not sure you attach all of the similar game changing type talent like Rutherford, Nolf, Nickal, Hall.

Spencer Lee is this type of leader and talent. Teasdale may be too.

Brands can coach. Let the talking heads write him off. The type of talent Iowa has started to get verbals from and land in the last couple years is just what the doctor ordered. PSU has some great things going on. We will not beat them by attrition. We have to up our game and I would say the last couple recruiting classes is just that.

Oh on a side not: I hate how people write off Iowa City and the University of Iowa as being part of the reason kids come here. Iowa City is an awesome town. I have been told time and again by people that went to school other places and then spend time here that it is just a incredible town. Even without Tom Brands and or a power house program I think we would still attract a ton of kids for the town and school.

 

[Sandor45]

Speaking of "journalism" I listened to a discussion re Lee and Teasdale picking Iowa on Flo several days ago, between CP and Willie.

I had thought Willie was starting to be less hostile to Iowa in recent months, but he said some things which were not all that accurate or fair, imo.

I'm not going back to get the exact quotes, but the basic gist was that Willie seemed to say PSU is good because Cael develops wrestlers, and one only needs to look at their bonus points to see that. When CP mentioned PSU getting top recruits, Willie downplayed that and stated that was "an excuse for whiners."

Whereas there was a perception that Iowa doesn't develop wrestlers, and there are a "a lot of doubters about Iowa's program." CP suggested this was propaganda.

My 2 cents.... TnT do develop wrestlers, as good or better than anyone in the country. That should be obvious to anyone except the anti-Iowa contingent. But you need some raw material to work with. Until recently, that has been the one area where Iowa has fallen back.... getting top ten type recruits. These types of guys greatly improve the chances of winning a team championship. One superstar (a Metcalf, Taylor, Ruth, etc) can single handedly put his team in the top 20.

I noticed this too. While development is important, it's not near as important as recruits these time of days. Top recruits are D1 college ready.
Yes, good coaches like TnT and John Smith can develop them more, but wouldn't you rather have pockets Aces pre flop?
Cael knows this. All he plays are pocket Aces (Halls, Nolf, Retherford, Nickal, Nevilles, Joseph, Suriano, etc...)
Iowa gets a couple pocket aces for once and theres talk of club coaches whispering in kids ears.

 

[Azchief32]

Iowa gets a couple pocket aces for once and theres talk of club coaches whispering in kids ears.

Or they can't make it elsewhere...ahem

 

[Sandor45]

Or they can't make it elsewhere...ahem

So ridiculous. Shows just how out of touch Foley is with the college wrestling. Can't believe they had him on at NCAAs in Madison. What a joke

 

[Cali_Nittany]

AZ Chief's smackdown is going to be hard to beat. It's still the best of the year in my opinion.

Cali said "Dean may win but Nickal isn't going to be held to 2 points against anyone." In reference to a hypothetical matchup of Dean vs Nickal.

AZ responded 8 minutes later with a video of Dean holding Nickal to 2 points.

One of the best internet smackdowns I've seen in awhile.

Yep, I served up a softball to Chief and he hit it out of the park.