This Years Schedule

[sdvike]

I think the schedule comes out in September some time which is only a couple of months out. Somebody reported we wrestle some every year with border wars and then meet others based on last years standings. It looks like we should get PSU, Ohio St and possibly Michigan based on last years standings.

I think we go to Oregon St for their part of home and away agreement if there is one. Maybe we pick up another west coast team while out there.

Based on our every year meets and the standings:
Home: Iowa St, Nebby, Michigan, Okie St and the Illini/Northwestern weekend.
Away: Minnesota, PSU and Wisky.
***Should have Ohio State based on standings but don't know if that would be home or away.

Tournaments: Hope SS gets some upper echelon teams and with their starters. Otherwise, my take is they should reconsider going back to Midlands the following year (cant believe Im saying this).

 

[24timenattychamps]

Just go back to Midlands. They overestimated how many teams would be interested in their tournament, and now it’s time to go back. It’s better for their wrestlers to get better competition, and for the coaches to see how they do.

 

[GableBeer]

Home schedule is looking great. Can’t wait to watch the ISU dual and the OSU dual. Then we also get to watch Michigan and Nebby at carver too, this schedule is much better then last years home schedule.

 

[jrod65]

Just go back to Midlands. They overestimated how many teams would be interested in their tournament, and now it’s time to go back. It’s better for their wrestlers to get better competition, and for the coaches to see how they do.

I disagree, but not in regards to the competition aspect of it. Iowa is finally hosting a tournament, why give that up?
Not saying that the SS will ever become a juggernaut, but to give up on it after just 2 years seems shortsighted. Plus, It's a very convenient situation for the wrestlers to have a local tournament over the holidays.

Besides, I fear that the big tournaments will continue to decline in participation. It's a copycat league, and the current big dogs don't do the in-season tournament scene anymore. Good chance more schools will follow suit.

 

[SPOONER]

Just go back to Midlands. They overestimated how many teams would be interested in their tournament, and now it’s time to go back. It’s better for their wrestlers to get better competition, and for the coaches to see how they do.

I don't know that it's true to say they "overestimated." I've never heard anyone say it was going to anything other than an investment, something that was expected to improve year-over-year. It took a step forward from year 1 to year 2. If they can do that again, they will be on to something.

The Midlands has continued it's downward spiral. Only a few Midlands champs placed at the NCAAs this past year--Ragusin (5th), Teemer (2nd), Ruth (7th), and Beard (8th). Not good.

 

[sdvike]

I don't know that it's true to say they "overestimated." I've never heard anyone say it was going to anything other than an investment, something that was expected to improve year-over-year. It took a step forward from year 1 to year 2. If they can do that again, they will be on to something.

The Midlands has continued it's downward spiral. Only a few Midlands champs placed at the NCAAs this past year--Ragusin (5th), Teemer (2nd), Ruth (7th), and Beard (8th). Not good.

Interesting how their champs turned out but then how did SS champs fare in comparison?

 

[SPOONER]

Interesting how their champs turned out but then how did SS champs fare in comparison?

Of course, not great outside of Iowa guys. No one is claiming the SS is as good.

 

[nearfall2]

Interesting how their champs turned out but then how did SS champs fare in comparison?

125 2nd
141 4th
157 8th
165 4th
184 6th

* 174 runner up - 6th (Gabe red shirted so he was highest placing using eligibility)

 

[el dub]

I think the schedule comes out in September some time which is only a couple of months out. Somebody reported we wrestle some every year with border wars and then meet others based on last years standings. It looks like we should get PSU, Ohio St and possibly Michigan based on last years standings.

I think we go to Oregon St for their part of home and away agreement if there is one. Maybe we pick up another west coast team while out there.

Based on our every year meets and the standings:
Home: Iowa St, Nebby, Michigan, Okie St and the Illini/Northwestern weekend.
Away: Minnesota, PSU and Wisky.
***Should have Ohio State based on standings but don't know if that would be home or away.

Tournaments: Hope SS gets some upper echelon teams and with their starters. Otherwise, my take is they should reconsider going back to Midlands the following year (cant believe Im saying this).

I’d like seeing the Hawks come to Corvallis for a dual.

 

[grapplefann]

I’d like seeing the Hawks come to Corvallis for a dual.

Have a sister-in-law in Portland, so my wife could visit while I'm eating snacks with Dub in Corvallis, if he could make the trip up from Eugene. Maybe others might be interested in a road trip too.

 

[el dub]

Have a sister-in-law in Portland, so my wife could visit while I'm eating snacks with Dub in Corvallis, if he could make the trip up from Eugene. Maybe others might be interested in a road trip too.

Id really like that. Where are you located?

 

[grapplefann]

Id really like that. Where are you located?

I live near Boston, but my wife wants to see her sister in Portland. May be I can align our interests.

 

[el dub]

I live near Boston, but my wife wants to see her sister in Portland. May be I can align our interests.

Sounds like a plan. Corvallis is between Portland and Eugene.

 

[Inthecircle]

I disagree, but not in regards to the competition aspect of it. Iowa is finally hosting a tournament, why give that up?
Not saying that the SS will ever become a juggernaut, but to give up on it after just 2 years seems shortsighted. Plus, It's a very convenient situation for the wrestlers to have a local tournament over the holidays.

Besides, I fear that the big tournaments will continue to decline in participation. It's a copycat league, and the current big dogs don't do the in-season tournament scene anymore. Good chance more schools will follow suit.

Holiday Tournament team participation has been in a downward trend for a few years. The SS started in part due to Northwestern shutting it down due to Covid concerns, which really ticked Brands off. Fans like the idea of paying tribute to the Military and Military Colleges who attend. This tournament serves as a wrestle off for the Hawks before they get into the meat of the schedule. For these reasons, I don’t see a reason to cancel the SS. I do miss the wrestle off event open to fans before the season starts.

Outside of conference tournaments, CKLV is now the premier in season tournament. The Florida duals are a good event as well. I’d like to see the Hawks participate at CKLV. There is a lot to be gained and lost for NCAA tournament seeding in Vegas.

 

[SPOONER]

Holiday Tournament team participation has been in a downward trend for a few years. The SS started in part due to Northwestern shutting it down due to Covid concerns, which really ticked Brands off. Fans like the idea of paying tribute to the Military and Military Colleges who attend. This tournament serves as a wrestle off for the Hawks before they get into the meat of the schedule. For these reasons, I don’t see a reason to cancel the SS. I do miss the wrestle off event open to fans before the season starts.

Outside of conference tournaments, Reno is now the premier in season tournament. The Florida duals are a good event as well. I’d like to see the Hawks participate at Reno. There is a lot to be gained and lost for NCAA tournament seeding in Reno.

Reno? I'm thinking you mean CKLV...Cliff Keen Las Vegas in early December.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Reno? I'm thinking you mean CKLV...Cliff Keen Las Vegas in early December.

Not sure if he means CKLV or the Reno Tournament of Champions. Last year’s RTOC wasn’t spectacular but had some decent D-1 teams in attendance and some solid ones as well.

Air Force

Arizona State

Cal State Bakersfield

Clackamas Community College

Corbin University

Eastern Oregon

Embry-Riddle

Grand View

Marian

MSU-Northern

Oklahoma

Oklahoma State

Oregon State

San Francisco State

Southern Oregon

St. Ambrose

Umpqua

Utah Valley

Vanguard

Wayland Baptist

Wyoming

 

[sdvike]

Not sure if he means CKLV or the Reno Tournament of Champions. Last year’s RTOC wasn’t spectacular but had some decent D-1 teams in attendance and some solid ones as well.

Air Force

Arizona State

Cal State Bakersfield

Clackamas Community College

Corbin University

Eastern Oregon

Embry-Riddle

Grand View

Marian

MSU-Northern

Oklahoma

Oklahoma State

Oregon State

San Francisco State

Southern Oregon

St. Ambrose

Umpqua

Utah Valley

Vanguard

Wayland Baptist

Wyoming

Much better than SS. Do they all send their starters?

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Much better than SS. Do they all send their starters?

Great question, I’m not sure. The HS RTOC tournament calls itself the “Toughest Tournament in America”. 🙄 Always some good HS teams, but I’ve never really followed the college side of it. (Cause Iowa’s not in it).

 

[SPOONER]

Not sure if he means CKLV or the Reno Tournament of Champions. Last year’s RTOC wasn’t spectacular but had some decent D-1 teams in attendance and some solid ones as well.

Air Force

Arizona State

Cal State Bakersfield

Clackamas Community College

Corbin University

Eastern Oregon

Embry-Riddle

Grand View

Marian

MSU-Northern

Oklahoma

Oklahoma State

Oregon State

San Francisco State

Southern Oregon

St. Ambrose

Umpqua

Utah Valley

Vanguard

Wayland Baptist

Wyoming

If he thinks that’s the toughest tournament I’d be absolutely stunned. Vanguard and Umpqua?

 

[so cal hawkfan]

If he thinks that’s the toughest tournament I’d be absolutely stunned. Vanguard and Umpqua?

Yeah, it’d be an Iowa, Okie St, Arizona St and Oklahoma quad tournament. If everyone brought their starters it’d be interesting. I like the SS growth however. The Ferrari sideshow notwithstanding of course.

 

[SPOONER]

Much better than SS. Do they all send their starters?

Not many starters, no. Okie State didn’t send any, ASU a few. A few weights had champs that I’m not sure even qualified for NCAAs. Not a strong tourney. Oh, and not at the same time as SS.

 

[Inthecircle]

Reno? I'm thinking you mean CKLV...Cliff Keen Las Vegas in early December.

I stand corrected, I meant CKLV. I knew the board could rely on you to be first to correct my silly errors.
You took it easy on me, which is somewhat puzzling. I appreciate your kind gesture.

 

[SJP80]

I don't know that it's true to say they "overestimated." I've never heard anyone say it was going to anything other than an investment, something that was expected to improve year-over-year. It took a step forward from year 1 to year 2. If they can do that again, they will be on to something.

The Midlands has continued it's downward spiral. Only a few Midlands champs placed at the NCAAs this past year--Ragusin (5th), Teemer (2nd), Ruth (7th), and Beard (8th). Not good.

If it is an investment, maybe the way to build and get better teams ( therefore wrestlers) is to get some of Big Bobs Bucks and help teams with travel or lodging etc. Pay them to come initially. Fast track it to a premier event with $$$$$

 

[SPOONER]

If it is an investment, maybe the way to build and get better teams ( therefore wrestlers) is to get some of Big Bobs Bucks and help teams with travel or lodging etc. Pay them to come initially. Fast track it to a premier event with $$$$$

Maybe. But should that be a priority? Wouldn't that be better spent on wrestlers (collegiate or senior) than trying to juice up a two day holiday tournament? In the grand scheme of things, which benefits the program more?

 

[Inthecircle]

If he thinks that’s the toughest tournament I’d be absolutely stunned. Vanguard and Umpqua?

 

[Inthecircle]

I think the schedule comes out in September some time which is only a couple of months out. Somebody reported we wrestle some every year with border wars and then meet others based on last years standings. It looks like we should get PSU, Ohio St and possibly Michigan based on last years standings.

I think we go to Oregon St for their part of home and away agreement if there is one. Maybe we pick up another west coast team while out there.

Based on our every year meets and the standings:
Home: Iowa St, Nebby, Michigan, Okie St and the Illini/Northwestern weekend.
Away: Minnesota, PSU and Wisky.
***Should have Ohio State based on standings but don't know if that would be home or away.

Tournaments: Hope SS gets some upper echelon teams and with their starters. Otherwise, my take is they should reconsider going back to Midlands the following year (cant believe Im saying this).

We should have a damn good home schedule this year. DT and staff will get rode pretty hard. I wonder what kind of reception Gilman gets?
I am hoping the early schedule, other than the Clowns, has some quality opponents. The Hawks probably wrestle at Columbia and hopefully they pick up another meet with a quality team who comes back to Carver in 25-26. A meet at home with Little Rock or a top three ACC school would be nice. UNI, SDSU, Cornell or Missouri would fit the bill.

 

[Grapple24]

We should have a damn good home schedule this year. DT and staff will get rode pretty hard. I wonder what kind of reception Gilman gets?
I am hoping the early schedule, other than the Clowns, has some quality opponents. The Hawks probably wrestle at Columbia and hopefully they pick up another meet with a quality team who comes back to Carver in 25-26. A meet at home with Little Rock or a top three ACC school would be nice. UNI, SDSU, Cornell or Missouri would fit the bill.

Tom will not wrestle UNI. He has been called out for this many times.

 

[24timenattychamps]

Tom will not wrestle UNI. He has been called out for this many times.

I’m sure he is shaking in his boots to wrestle UNI

 

[Grapple24]

I’m sure he is shaking in his boots to wrestle UNI

It's dumb not to promote wrestling in this state and not wrestling UNI but going to the Luther Open is dumb. Promote the Iowa kids, wrestle UNI. Makes no sense not to. I don't get why Tom won't do it.

 

[el dub]

Tom will not wrestle UNI. He has been called out for this many times.

Not in West gym.

 

[sdvike]

Tom will not wrestle UNI. He has been called out for this many times.

I think Mizzou is out too ever since that debacle in Carver with the national duals.

 

[SJP80]

Maybe. But should that be a priority? Wouldn't that be better spent on wrestlers (collegiate or senior) than trying to juice up a two day holiday tournament? In the grand scheme of things, which benefits the program more?

But money is not the object. Why even have a tournament in the first place then? Is that time well spent? However, you could likely break even, get better matches for the guys, and try to grow that tournament into something really big if you decide to invest some time and money into it.

 

[SPOONER]

But money is not the object. Why even have a tournament in the first place then? Is that time well spent? However, you could likely break even, get better matches for the guys, and try to grow that tournament into something really big if you decide to invest some time and money into it.

There's no scenario where this even breaks even now, let alone when you start forking over 100s of thousands to lure other teams. I don't think having a really good holiday tournament benefits the program as much as using that for NIL/senior level guys. I say that while also acknowledging they have probably struck out more often than they should in the portal, and their inherent lack of interest on the senior side.

I’m sure he is shaking in his boots to wrestle UNI

It's all part of the weird as hell Brands mindset that anyone who leaves but doesn't still bow to the Iowa program is a turncoat and should be treated accordingly. It's rare a former Hawkeye coaching elsewhere is able to avoid that treatment, but it's occasionally happened.

 

[sdvike]

There's no scenario where this even breaks even now, let alone when you start forking over 100s of thousands to lure other teams. I don't think having a really good holiday tournament benefits the program as much as using that for NIL/senior level guys. I say that while also acknowledging they have probably struck out more often than they should in the portal, and their inherent lack of interest on the senior side.



It's all part of the weird as hell Brands mindset that anyone who leaves but doesn't still bow to the Iowa program is a turncoat and should be treated accordingly. It's rare a former Hawkeye coaching elsewhere is able to avoid that treatment, but it's occasionally happened.

I believe there is more to it. Words exchanged, maybe what is said to recruits or media or other coaches. As I write I realize these are all as you say not bowing to the program. But Mizzou, they were just flat out disrespectful and embarrassing when they came to Carver.

 

[AFHawk86]

I believe there is more to it. Words exchanged, maybe what is said to recruits or media or other coaches. As I write I realize these are all as you say not bowing to the program. But Mizzou, they were just flat out disrespectful and embarrassing when they came to Carver.

My answer to the disrespect is to shut them up on the mat. Both these programs should be on Iowa’s schedule regularly.

 

[sdvike]

My answer to the disrespect is to shut them up on the mat. Both these programs should be on Iowa’s schedule regularly.

Sure. Mizzou wrestlers were way out of bounds with the handshake no handshake to Brands from all there team and no coach to reel them in. Not to mention the busting through the Hawk huddle just to get a fight going. They were trying hard to make it a bitter rivalry but went over the top. From a fan perspective I'm ok with them not being on the schedule with their same coach.

 

[SPOONER]

I believe there is more to it. Words exchanged, maybe what is said to recruits or media or other coaches. As I write I realize these are all as you say not bowing to the program. But Mizzou, they were just flat out disrespectful and embarrassing when they came to Carver.

I was referring to UNI. They essentially didn’t like it that the UNI coaches weren’t acquiescing and kissing the ring.

 

[MitchLL]

It's dumb not to promote wrestling in this state and not wrestling UNI but going to the Luther Open is dumb. Promote the Iowa kids, wrestle UNI. Makes no sense not to. I don't get why Tom won't do it.

Given Schwab's wife's social media stuff regarding Iowa....no chance that fence gets fixed while TnT in IC.

 

[Grapple24]

Given Schwab's wife's social media stuff regarding Iowa....no chance that fence gets fixed while TnT in IC.

That's on Tom. He needs to be bigger for the sport in Iowa.

 

[SPOONER]

Given Schwab's wife's social media stuff regarding Iowa....no chance that fence gets fixed while TnT in IC.

Gosh I just don’t have the foggiest idea why she would feel that way.