Three Team Race
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Jeez...are you slow or something or is being pissy just your thing. You guys cannot even take a compliment and are very selective in how you read things. I don't know how many times I have to say it so Ima bust an all caps on your dumbass...CAEL CAN COACH! He's one of the best in the business. I've said it numerous times on here and spoke glowingly of him. Jeez:
PSU guy: "Cael is the best ever and literally has his name tattooed on Tom Brand's ass...completely owns him.
Iowa guy: "Well, Tom's name was on Cael's first when he was at ISU...may be a bit faded though."
PSU guy: "But you Hawkeye fans love living in the past with your boring old style, and yappy little coach who jumps around in the corner and teaches his guys to wrestle dirty. Cael has completely changed the paradigm and is turning the wrestling world on its ear. His wrestlers are dominate, athletic, and aggressive on a level never seen in the sport."
Iowa guy: "It helps that he is a great recruiter and resides smack dab in the middle of some of the best talent in the U.S. You guys always brag about this fact."
PSU guy: "Haters!!! OMG, they just said Cael can't coach." Wanders off to find his safe space.
You made me spit coffee out of my nose....I'm sure of it...I hate you. This is the Chief type post that has made you a fan favorite.
Carl can coach. Most Iowa fans would agree (and most PSU fans would agree that Iowa fans acknowledge that).
Question for the PSU fans that say that it has very little to do with the studs coming in - Carl has reached a new level of coaching never seen before. He could win a NC with the guys that Cornell has. Question: Why didn't he win NC after NC at ISU?
Question for the PSU fans that say that it has very little to do with the studs coming in - Carl has reached a new level of coaching never seen before. He could win a NC with the guys that Cornell has. Question: Why didn't he win NC after NC at ISU?
I have no idea where he comes up with some of this stuff. Brands preaches scoring points, and not worrying about what the other guy is trying to do.
Cael has revolutionized recruiting. I will give him that. He is putting that ISU art degree to great use with the amount of creativity it is taking to stretch that 9.9. Slush fund or not.
I think Cael has improved a great deal as a coach since he left ISU. If Jordan Burroughs is such a great wrestler why didn't he beat Metcalf when they met in college? People can and do improve. I don't find it odd at all that a person would be better 9 years in than they were 2 years in. Do you?
Right on. I think this is an area where Brands could improve. When JDJ beat Clark in last years dual it looked like Clark had never watched film on him. A one trick pony shouldn't beat Cory Clark and that was a coaching shortcoming imo.
I don't really want to get much more involved in this as this debate has been revisited too many times in the past year, but your question really gets to the crux of it.
I think there are very few PSU fans that think the NCs have little to do with the studs coming in. Just a few fans, probably the same amount of Iowa fans that think Cael can't coach.
I know AzChief pointed out PSU fans like to act like Cael has "reinvented" wrestling. Well, if he wins another one this year and makes it 5 out of 6, I would say he has for the time being. Just like Iowa and OK State have reinvented wrestling when they were on top for a little while. Teams will adjust and then maybe Cael will have to "reinvent" again, just like Gable was able to do.
There are only a couple of fanboys who think that PSU is doing something new for the first time in 6000 years, lol. Just like there are only a couple of fanboys who think that PSU is cheating their way to NCs and that is why Iowa is not taking their rightful place at the top of the stand.
Cael can coach (witness the many lower ranked kids that have excelled under him, in addition to him maximizing a lot of high end talent)
Cael can recruit (witness the top national recruits he can bring in in addition to the wealth of talent he has a natural advantage over some of the other top teams by being in PA)
Brands can coach
Brands can recruit
Cael is doing it better currently. Brands has done it better in the past. The war goes on...
I have a lot of respect for Brands. During half-time a few years back at Rec Hall, a young kid in PSU gear asked Tom for a autograph. Brands autographed the kids program, then posed for a photo with him. Shook the kids hand, and sprinted to the locker room to join his team.
Given the right tools and environment, Cael is the best "Overall" Coach in DI wrestling. I don't believe there is a coach that could match what he has done if they were at PSU. Basically, if all coaches were in their ideal situation, I think he is the best. However, that doesn't mean that he would do better than everyone else at Edinboro, American, Bucknell of Campbell.
Basically Cael is the best Ferrari race car driver there is. However, put him in a stock Ford Focus race and there are a slew of coaches that would be right there with him and I believe several would be more successful.
Basically Cael is the best Ferrari race car driver there is. However, put him in a stock Ford Focus race and there are a slew of coaches that would be right there with him and I believe several would be more successful.
spot on, Az.
Simply pointing out that Cael is starting with the best hs recruits does not equal saying Cael can't coach or develop talent. And saying Cael has been the leader in recruiting top ten guys is not an insult.
I think most psu fans understand this. These false equivalencies are made by a few of the hypersensitive, such as the d-nozzle flying-tiger.
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Simply pointing out that Cael is starting with the best hs recruits does not equal saying Cael can't coach or develop talent. And saying Cael has been the leader in recruiting top ten guys is not an insult.
I think most psu fans understand this. These false equivalencies are made by a few of the hypersensitive, such as the d-nozzle flying-tiger.
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Kind of a bold statement. Not saying that he isn't the best, but many coaches have shown they can drive a Ferrari. Recent examples include Brands (Metcalf), Koll (Dake), Smith (Dringer), Ryan (Streebler), Carl (DT, Ruth),even Popolizio (Gwiaz). Just because Carl owns the most Ferraris doesn't mean he is the best driver. He is the best at accumulating/negotiating prices on Ferraris though. That is without question.
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Jackhawk87,
Believe me, I am as far from a Sanderson slappy as ANYONE can get. Still, as of right now, he is the best in his ideal environment. I don't believe anyone would do better at PSU. And I say that being a huge fan of Brands. Brands is in his ideal environment. Smith has been where his is best suited for a long time. I believe Ryan is in his. Koll as well. Even though these guys are doing their best to challenge Sanderson, he is the hot name right now. He is basically able to handpick who he wants. He has a great staff and has coached a ton of 4x AA's. Give him the best talent, staff and facilities and he has shown to be the best Overall. This may change over time. But again, right now, he is the best with the most!
Believe me, I am as far from a Sanderson slappy as ANYONE can get. Still, as of right now, he is the best in his ideal environment. I don't believe anyone would do better at PSU. And I say that being a huge fan of Brands. Brands is in his ideal environment. Smith has been where his is best suited for a long time. I believe Ryan is in his. Koll as well. Even though these guys are doing their best to challenge Sanderson, he is the hot name right now. He is basically able to handpick who he wants. He has a great staff and has coached a ton of 4x AA's. Give him the best talent, staff and facilities and he has shown to be the best Overall. This may change over time. But again, right now, he is the best with the most!
Exactly, well said. If Minkel had Taylor and Ruth he could of coached them up so good he could have stayed home with his pet birds and not even went ot the arena for the match.
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Maybe. Some of his Ferraris have run out of gas. I could name some names, but our momentary truce with our Penn State buddies would come to a crashing halt. So I'll keep quite. [BTW I learned this passive/aggressive style from my wife ("I stood up for you when my aunt said you were a wothless bum")]
Cael also used to be a hoot. Some of those old IPTV interviews are classics. He claimed in one, with a straight face, that his best sport was basketball. Cody was sitting next to him and was clearly not amused. Cole, sitting on Cael's other side, was about to wet his pants.
I tell ya one thing that would slow Cael's recruiting is an actual huge name recruiting type coach takes over Pitt and Ruthgers. Cael is owning NJ/NY as much as PA. And the occasional California kid.
Its odd that Cael really doesnt seem to have much of a foothold in the state of Iowa anymore. Did he burn some bridges or does he just not want our states best? I bet my answer is different than PSU fans.
Its odd that Cael really doesnt seem to have much of a foothold in the state of Iowa anymore. Did he burn some bridges or does he just not want our states best? I bet my answer is different than PSU fans.
Trust me I sure hope so and I certainly wondered myself if this is one of Caels angles to kids about not going to Iowa. Although the evidence does seem to back up what Eric Thompson was bragging about Cael. We have spent 5 years wondering why guys some talented guys dont pull the trigger in 1st periods.
Keep in mind all cyclones seems to hate Iowa so take it how you want.
Guys,
Believe me it pained me to say it. I still think Brands would be more successful at all 77 DI Universities than Sanderson would. Heck, I would still send my son to wrestle for Brands over Sanderson if given the choice. I just simply think that Sanderson is the best when his limitations are at the bare minimum. That doesn't mean that Brands, Smith, Ryan and Koll are not close. Still, right now it is hard to argue anyone over Sanderson.
Also, remember I say "Overall". There are aspects where I think the other coaches are on par or are even better than Sanderson. For instance:
Recruiting
1.a.)Sanderson
1.b)Ryan
3.)Smith
4.)Brands
5.)Koll-Obviously a bit restricted at an Ivy school regardless of their grey shirt window.
Development
1.)Brands
2.)Koll
3.)Tied Sanderson, Brands, Koll
Reloading
1.)Sanderson
2.)Brands
3.)Smith
4.)Ryan
5.)Koll
Fan Marketability
1.)Brands-Although it is hard not to in Iowa
2.)Sanderson
3.)Tied Smith, Koll, Ryan
RTC success-Now this one is very hard to separate.
1.)Brands
2.)Smith
3.)Sanderson
4.)Ryan
5.)Koll
Believe me it pained me to say it. I still think Brands would be more successful at all 77 DI Universities than Sanderson would. Heck, I would still send my son to wrestle for Brands over Sanderson if given the choice. I just simply think that Sanderson is the best when his limitations are at the bare minimum. That doesn't mean that Brands, Smith, Ryan and Koll are not close. Still, right now it is hard to argue anyone over Sanderson.
Also, remember I say "Overall". There are aspects where I think the other coaches are on par or are even better than Sanderson. For instance:
Recruiting
1.a.)Sanderson
1.b)Ryan
3.)Smith
4.)Brands
5.)Koll-Obviously a bit restricted at an Ivy school regardless of their grey shirt window.
Development
1.)Brands
2.)Koll
3.)Tied Sanderson, Brands, Koll
Reloading
1.)Sanderson
2.)Brands
3.)Smith
4.)Ryan
5.)Koll
Fan Marketability
1.)Brands-Although it is hard not to in Iowa
2.)Sanderson
3.)Tied Smith, Koll, Ryan
RTC success-Now this one is very hard to separate.
1.)Brands
2.)Smith
3.)Sanderson
4.)Ryan
5.)Koll
Give Brands the Unicorn and Ruth and you all would be watching someone who just reinvented wrestling .....just like Carl has.
Now will all of you PSU fans please leave us alone. Thank you.
Now will all of you PSU fans please leave us alone. Thank you.
No on Rutgers, their facilities are horrible. Also, Rutgers cannot afford a big time coach as their athletic department is a financial mess.
Don't trust me? Ask someone from Rutgers.
Pitt's facilities and finances are better, but not by a whole lot. Plus they place no real emphasis on the sport.
A strong Pitt could also hurt Iowa. Maybe Kemerer and Marinelli end up at Pitt. Also would lessen Iowa's chances with Spencer Leoo.
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Rutgers facilities are light years away from being competitive. And probably 10 years at least away from changing much because of the finances. If ever, because of the administration's traditional disdain for athletics. Also, very little pull from PA for Rutgers - most don't even know it exists. I'm a Rutgers grad - have a family member starting the D1 recruiting process and am not pushing RU (although he may end up there, who knows?)
Pitt - I'm a little more bullish on, but they would hurt Iowa, tOSU also. But I don't see that happening at all as long as Cael is there - Pitt job is just not that attractive with him there.
Lehigh hurts PSU right now a bit, people just don't see it. But they are limited because of their admissions hurdles. But they are bringing in recruits every year that PSU and Iowa would be glad to bring on.
Fair enough!. Only thing I know about Rutgers is Richie Lewis thinks he's a bad a$$ on twitter. Anyone who tweets alot catch that crap he was saying to CP.
I hope Cooper beats him next time and says that for CP tough guy!
Who the hell is Richie Lewis? Member of a 50's doo wop band I should remember or something?
Know what would be very interesting?
What if Penn State doesn't win nationals this year?
Could or would the wrestling media say Man that has to be the biggest choke job ever.
With the chance of having 5 number one seeds (Nico, Zain,Nolf,Nickal and Mctoinsh) how can
anyone fu** that up? Sure would be great to see it happen though maybe have some peace around here. ..
What if Penn State doesn't win nationals this year?
Could or would the wrestling media say Man that has to be the biggest choke job ever.
With the chance of having 5 number one seeds (Nico, Zain,Nolf,Nickal and Mctoinsh) how can
anyone fu** that up? Sure would be great to see it happen though maybe have some peace around here. ..
Thank you for continuously blessing us with your expert hawkeye fan post analysis. *bows humbly* Please, show us the way, for we can never compare to someone as mighty as yourself.
That's not true and you know it.
He's a snarky, sarcastic smart mouth.
He also must think we give a damn about his opinion. That is false though.
Don't go there. This is what PSU fans do when Iowa is favored. They build them up and act like if they don't win Iowa is a bunch of losers.Know what would be very interesting?
What if Penn State doesn't win nationals this year?
Could or would the wrestling media say Man that has to be the biggest choke job ever.
With the chance of having 5 number one seeds (Nico, Zain,Nolf,Nickal and Mctoinsh) how can
anyone fu** that up? Sure would be great to see it happen though maybe have some peace around here. ..
Iowa has the guns to beat PSU this year. We have guys in our lineup with the ability to score bonus like Nolf & Rutherford. We have 6 guys Gilman, Clark, Sorenson, Myers, Brooks & Burak who have it in their control to be in the finals. We have another 3 Grothus, Cooper, Stoll who have it in their control to be AAs.
Get 4 or 5 guys in the finals. Win a couple of them. Get 7 or 8 AAs and I like our chances a lot. This is how we used to do it. Brands has coached teams to do this before with similar talent.
Sounds like someone might be coming around to HWillies way of thinking.....................
Sounds like someone might be coming around to HWillies way of thinking.....................
Who's HIWILLIE.
