Haven't had a chance to watch yet, but the last one with Stalemates was pretty good.
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So, you are calling Tom a liar???Love how Brands is always Brands.
1. PLEASE let go of the "programs are paying people to put out bad information" bit. It's not true and its a weird thing to say. This is still wrestling. Ain't NOBODY paying to give out bad news about the Hawks.
It is funny to hear Tom say he doesn't understand why. He really doesn't get that he and the Hawks are lightning rod. Non-fans absolutely root for bad things to happen to the Hawks.
2. I need to know about this alum that burned down a program for another alum. Anyone?
I wish he would have pushed a little more with the Gilman topic, Tom brought it up and I thought he had an opening for some more info there but Stalemates changed the topic.Zach does such a nice job with his interviews. He asks the questions the fans would want to know and goes for it. Their niche is in the story telling, not going over wrestling matchups. Their video following Army West Point between Ames and Iowa city was a lot of fun.
So, you are calling Tom a liar???
How do you know what proof he has?He absolutely does not have PROOF that programs are paying people to release bad news about the Hawks. Is he right that people are being used to put out bad info about the Hawks? That is most definitely true. But being paid? Come on man.
Love how Brands is always Brands.
1. PLEASE let go of the "programs are paying people to put out bad information" bit. It's not true and its a weird thing to say. This is still wrestling. Ain't NOBODY paying to give out bad news about the Hawks.
It is funny to hear Tom say he doesn't understand why. He really doesn't get that he and the Hawks are lightning rod. Non-fans absolutely root for bad things to happen to the Hawks.
2. I need to know about this alum that burned down a program for another alum. Anyone?
How do you know what proof he has?
Do we?Dude. Do you believe it? And we all know what one "media" he is talking about.
Do we?
edit: everyone thinks it’s Pat Mineo (obviously) but that doesn’t mean that’s who he is talking about. Does the NLWC pay Justin Basch and his company? While he has had Hawks on the show on occasion he is no stranger to shitting on the hawks when he can
Do we?
edit: everyone thinks it’s Pat Mineo (obviously) but that doesn’t mean that’s who he is talking about. Does the NLWC pay Justin Basch and his company? While he has had Hawks on the show on occasion he is no stranger to shitting on the hawks when he can
I didn’t ask if you believed it. You said he has no proof. I was wondering how you know that.Dude. Do you believe it? And we all know what one "media" he is talking about.
I didn’t ask if you believed it. You said he has no proof. I was wondering how you know that.
Do we?
edit: everyone thinks it’s Pat Mineo (obviously) but that doesn’t mean that’s who he is talking about. Does the NLWC pay Justin Basch and his company? While he has had Hawks on the show on occasion he is no stranger to shitting on the hawks when he can
i just looked up his website and he lists a few nlwc guys and cael as a client. you might be on to something but who knows. maybe he is one of mineo’s sources. i definitely don’t think someone is paying mineo directly
You know, I don’t really care one way or another but I find it funny how I am supposed to take your word for it that it isn’t true because of your contacts. I am sure you are in the know much more than I. But I still think it is a bad take for you to assume you know what Tom knows.Because it's not true and I have the contacts to know if it were.
He's not saying it unless he can back it up. And from any dealings I've had with Tom or any of the guys on the staff, that is a fact. They don't just throw stuff out there to see if it will stick...He absolutely does not have PROOF that programs are paying people to release bad news about the Hawks. Is he right that people are being used to put out bad info about the Hawks? That is most definitely true. But being paid? Come on man.
He's not saying it unless he can back it up. And from any dealings I've had with Tom or any of the guys on the staff, that is a fact. They don't just throw stuff out there to see if it will stick...
Coming from the guy who thinks Rocky Jordan is a significant upgrade over Abe or Nelson and we need to get him in the program stat.Because it's not true and I have the contacts to know if it were.
Fair. I was wrong on that one. (I still think he'd be a great addition because he'd actually get great coaching)Coming from the guy who thinks Rocky Jordan is a significant upgrade over Abe or Nelson and we need to get him in the program stat.
I'll defer to Tom on this one.
This isn't an episode of Law & Order. You aren't Jack McCoy and Tom Brands sure ain't Lennie Briscoe catching someone red-handed. Tom doesn't need first hand proof to throw it in the open. He's relying on his sources and believes what they tell him. Why shouldn't he?So here's the problem with that. If Tom is saying there's proof - he's literally saying he's seen copies of checks or seen cash being handed off. And we all know that isn't true.
Tom absolutely believes and has been given "proof" by someone that he trusts that people are being paid. But its just untrue. It goes more to show that he thinks it HAS to be true, because what other reason would someone bad mouth the Hawks?
This isn't an episode of Law & Order. You aren't Jack McCoy and Tom Brands sure ain't Lennie Briscoe catching someone red-handed. Tom doesn't need first hand proof to throw it in the open. He's relying on his sources and believes what they tell him. Why shouldn't he?
But what I find goofy is that you're asking the online community to rally behind your opinion because of your sources, all the while demanding we should question Tom and his. Who are you and why should we buy what you're selling? So unless you're the J. Edgar Hoover of collegiate wrestling, then your sources don't mean jack shit.
I simply don't understand why you so adamantly believe it's untrue. Of all the ****ery we've been through over the past two years, lies-by-check definitely falls within the realm of possibility.
But please, continue to die on this weird ass hill. It is entertaining.
I don’t see it as every time someone has talked crap about Iowa wrestling they’ve been paid to do it. Saying that would be silly. But, I can sure as hell envision a scenario where someone was paid to talk badly or spread disinformation about the program.Then I guess you're cool with dying on the Penn State/tOSU/ASU/NC State pay people to bad mouth the Hawks hill.
Because I mean, no one would just WANT to talk bad about the Hawks, right?
The world is literally full of the kind of shit Tom Brands is referencing on a daily basis, and the large majority of it has nothing to do with Iowa.I don’t see it as every time someone has talked crap about Iowa wrestling they’ve been paid to do it. Saying that would be silly. But, I can sure as hell envision a scenario where someone was paid to talk badly or spread disinformation about the program.
You’re making it sound like every bad thing said about Iowa wrestling is just because people hate Iowa wrestling, and not because they’ve been paid to due so. I think it’s more nuanced than that. In fact, I think both instances have occurred.
I don’t think anyone is dying on any hill here, but it would be foolish to rule out the possibility that pay for disinformation or negative information has never happened. In my opinion…of course.
P.S. your sources will never be as reliable as what the head coach at Iowa has to say about Iowa wrestling. Tom could be wrong, but the real burden of proof here is on your sources and not him.
Because it's not true and I have the contacts to know if it were.
It's completely fascinating to me that Tom believes someone would have to be paid to want to talk trash about the Hawks. He literally has no idea why someone would want to do that out of sheer spite.
You’re spot on…. And F my lawn. I have 3 labs... It’s a battle I can’t win and I ain’t no yard nazi.Good stuff from Tom Brands. He's always a straight shooter with good intentions. He is exactly the sort of coach that we need in these times where the haters weaponize everything. It shouldn't surprise anyone that some of this could come from jealous haters who are even willing to pay to smear.
They aren't so jealous of the Hawkeyes' winning as they are jealous of us, the Hawkeye faithful who actually care so much about wrestling. For most of them, their wrestling teams are a backwater like the bowling team or the squash team, not to speak ill of bowling or squash. We really care, and that's why they hate us so much, because their teams will never have fans like us.
Goblin is right: it will only get worse. Sorry about your lawn, Goblin.
The world is literally full of the kind of shit Tom Brands is referencing on a daily basis, and the large majority of it has nothing to do with Iowa.
So do I believe Tom Brands when he knows he's being recorded? Ummm, yeah.
I think Coach Brands would never see it necessary. When it came to a potential UNI dual, he indicated what was stated was not complete/accurate without completing or correcting. That's fine by me, because I really think he prefers not to expend energy on distractions.could back it up if necessary