Both teams blatantly stalled as a tactic and for the love of Gable can we please get rid of riding time?! I see zero way any casual fan at all got any excitement whatsoever out that dual.
Too much stalling and get rid of RT PLEASE!
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Modern era wrestling Gobblin. It’s a dirty little secret but finals night in March has sucked because of it. If stalling isn’t called more aggressively then there won’t be any changes
Imo after 2010 changes were made to the stall call. Now stalling is out of control. It’s an epidemic and Iowa is guilty of it as well. Pretty sad thing to happen to the sport I grew up loving and wrestling in.
PSU stalled? Ref said they didn’t.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a wrestler legit run and dance backward to end a match and not get hit with a call. It had no effect on the outcome of the match, so why wasn't it called?
It was called by the book.....but they need to change the book. Hooking an ankle and riding it with no attempt to improve should be stalling. PSU is good at it as a team. Real woods did it for almost a minute in his match for Iowa with no warning or even a stalemate.
I found it an odd but such a suitable coincidence that one of my labs yakked up his dinner halfway through the 3rd period of Dean/Warner.
They wouldn’t want those mean, nasty boos from the retarded PSU fans that don’t even know what stalling is.
The lack of stalling calls or inconsistency ruins the sport.
Trying to get casual fans into college wrestling has not been easy. Iowa vs PSU should be a great night to get people watching the sport however a lot of these matches were beyond boring. Change needs to happen.
I've always thought they need to get rid of riding time altogether or make it so you don't get the point if you don't score any nearfalls.
If I’ve said once, I’ve said it 1000 times. Just start each period from neutral. Way, way, WAY too much gaming the system with RT. It’s just gross.
But who is fighting some reasonable changes to encourage more action? The coaches....if so why???
Btw, while I agree some matches were boring, it's been said before that in high stakes duals with good wrestlers on both sides, I don't think it's realistic to expect constant high flying action, much as we might want it. Did you find the high scoring (1 sided) 184 match exciting in a true wrestling sense? I didn't, and not just because our guy took a shellacking.
I'm 100% on board with this. Want to stall ride? Fine, but you've got to earn it
I've always been against the notion of switching to freestyle since I am such a traditionalist, but every year I grow a little more open to the idea.
It's such a shame to see numerous great matches come down to who's better at sitting on the other wrestlers ankle. Just become far too common.
Dean's theatrics to get a stall call almost caused me to lose my dinner as well. That ref was embarrassing...which means we're certain to see him in March.
If anything like my lab, it was also on the carpet and never on a hard surface floor.
I have been resistant in the past, but I think I'm finally on board with implementing a pushout rule in folkstyle. The argument against is usually that it will just become sumo, but that doesn't seem to be the case in free at all. It seems to actually force more action in the center. Not so much tonight, but some of the worst inconsistency/ugly wrestling comes with how they call the current edge stalling rules.
On the couch actually…. In his defense he had great view of the match at the time. That combined with the yapping of Shane Sparks and I couldn’t even blame him or get upset.
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Me too. Freestyle used to be like watching paint dry and they changed the rules up and its f** to watch. I like it better than folk. No where to run to for the stallers and less ways to game the system.
I don’t like the freestyle “interpretations” of exposure. I prefer the step out freestyle rule to the inconsistent backing out stalling calls (157 tonight). RT just sucks. Stand em back up if no turns like freestyle. JMO
the ball grab era is the dark ages, so if thats your reference point i understand. pre ball grab and post ball grab freestyle was/is entertaining .
Please replace HS and college folkstyle with freestyle. More action, more urgency, many fewer chances to stall.
This is the correct answer.
It’d also better prepare guys for international competition.
I am that casual fan, only watching wrestling when Iowa duals and the nationals.
I told my no wrestling interest friends to give it a try, #1 vs #2, that there will be fireworks.
Unfortunately, it was anything but, and I wonder why.
There seemed so little offense and I was wondering if it was good defense or guys not wanting to chance opening themselves up to counter moves. Maybe someone can explain that to me.
And should Lee have taken a different approach to getting the fall instead of piling up points?
I've come to enjoy watching, I just don't fully understand the strategies.
PSU does a lot of stuff well and gaming the system to keep people on the mat is definitely one of them. You can tell it's coached and practiced to move from one "technique" to another to keep people down and it's a big part of their close match effectiveness. Good for them and good for winning if you can get away with it but it's really boring stuff. The sitting on the ankle, figure 4 on the leg and just blatantly grabbing and holding an ankle are 3 absolutely boring tactics.
Hypothetical question: do you see any moral distinction between top stalling and stalling from neutral?
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Not really, but it seems in most referees eyes it’s more distinguishable on the feet and more ways to get the guts to make the call. Like mentioned here I’d be much more okay with watching a guy “game the system” from the top position as long as he had to earn a TD to get there. Start each period from neutral and make a push out rule if you’re not going to go full blown free.
Get rid of riding time and reset guys to their feet if there's a stalemate or clearly no intent to score from either guy. Bottom guy only gets an escape point if he earns one. Balances out takedown to the nonsense 4 point nearfall rule too. As I mentioned in the psu thread I think only 3 guys between both teams looked to score from top. The 5 second count rule ruined so much of top wrestling with guys dropping to an ankle, adjusting to a chop, and repeating indefinitely with no real effort to turn. It's hard to watch.
The 5 second counts actually make it worse than if refs just called it when they see it like they should IMO. With the 5 seconds the guy basically knows there are only a few positions they have to worry about and with the count they just hold and release as needed to make sure they don't get to 5.
Don't know which is more irritating --- Shane Sparks, or the whooping noise from the crowd at Carver during Hwt. match!
I would listen to sparks all night if they could mute gibbons
If all the refs called matches like that guy we had earlier this year (at Purdue I think) It would certainly help but as decades go by whistles keep being swallowed and it never changes. I am full on in favor of:
1. Step out from neutral. When it happens just give the point but don't stop action so edge scoring can still occur like now.
2. No riding time at all or no riding time without back points being earned.
3. If no top scoring happens in 30 seconds bring them both back up. Neutral action has a lot more excitement and scoring opportunities, especially with a step out rule.
4. No escape points for free releases. The top guy can alert the ref with a signal or verbally if he wants to give a release.
1. Step out from neutral. When it happens just give the point but don't stop action so edge scoring can still occur like now.
2. No riding time at all or no riding time without back points being earned.
3. If no top scoring happens in 30 seconds bring them both back up. Neutral action has a lot more excitement and scoring opportunities, especially with a step out rule.
4. No escape points for free releases. The top guy can alert the ref with a signal or verbally if he wants to give a release.
I think you’re right on the counter statement. PSU makes hay on re shots.
If you can ride guys you don’t need much offense.
The positive side of Spencer not getting the fall, is the points he racked up which is part of the tie breaker criteria if the dual ended in a tie. The pin would have been better.
Exciting wrestling contains flurries of action, so you can’t brink or go to the fridge or you’ll miss it. Like the first twenty seconds of the Kennedy match, even though points weren’t scored there was action. The Siebrecht match when he had the bear hug and didn’t convert.
Staying away when you’re ahead with short time at the end of a period or match is also a strategy, albeit boring.
What you like to see is what Murin did to seal the match. You’re ahead 2-1 go get the takedown and seal it.
If you’re Warner you have to get away. Another exciting part of wrestling is watching the other guy break. As long as it’s the guy you’re rooting for.
I don't think I saw one shot from 157-285 from Iowa, except for Kennedy in SV.I think that is a big why stalling gets called .
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