Toussaint

[HawkLogic]

Connor played when Luka was sitting. Many others played just as much as Connor when Garza was in too. Yet their numbers are nowhere close to +23. Explain that.

Connor is a starter and so is Garza, so the both started the game and 2nd half. So there is a high degree of overlap, correct?

Nunge was 0-5 from the field and is a backup. PMAC was 0-5 and is a backup. Those two guys had really poor games and anyone that overlapped them got those two guy's minuses.

Perkins had similar box score impact as CMAC and was -14 according to your numbers? Obviously the +/- stat is not telling us much for this game. From what I've always heard, you have to look at season averages and even then the stat is problematic.

CMAC didn't play poorly. He didn't bring a lot of positive to the table either. Keegan was playing well but got lit up by fouls. Perkins had similar effect as CMAC. Joet and Ulis didn't get a lot of PT and didn't have much impact stat wise.

I suspect Ulis got fouled on his drive in 1st half, but no replay. I thought JBO might have been goal tended on a layup, but no replay. Keegan got hosed by refs.

 

[iahawks10]

Connor is a starter and so is Garza, so the both started the game and 2nd half. So there is a high degree of overlap, correct?

Nunge was 0-5 from the field and is a backup. PMAC was 0-5 and is a backup. Those two guys had really poor games and anyone that overlapped them got those two guy's minuses.

Perkins had similar box score impact as CMAC and was -14 according to your numbers? Obviously the +/- stat is not telling us much for this game. From what I've always heard, you have to look at season averages and even then the stat is problematic.

CMAC didn't play poorly. He didn't bring a lot of positive to the table either. Keegan was playing well but got lit up by fouls. Perkins had similar effect as CMAC. Joet and Ulis didn't get a lot of PT and didn't have much impact stat wise.

I suspect Ulis got fouled on his drive in 1st half, but no replay. I thought JBO might have been goal tended on a layup, but no replay. Keegan got hosed by refs.

Guy, they are not my numbers. What don’t you get about that? They’re the BPM from the box score.

Yes Connor played a lot with Garza, mostly, but not all. So did JBo, Wieskamp, and Keegan. How much overlap did they have with Luka? The next closest person was Keegan at +11 who also started both halves.

 

[littlez]

Explain to me how 3 pts 2 rebounds and 1 assist is a good game. And before you say the little things, tell me what those are. Deflects passes, draws charges, gets steals, sets good picks, etc. ?

 

[Eternal Return]

To Fran’s defense, Toussaint was really bad today when he played.

He played for less than 4 minutes. I'll bet I can pick out a 4 minute stretch where Bohannon played worse.

 

[pocha444444]

Guy, they are not my numbers. What don’t you get about that? They’re the BPM from the box score.

Yes Connor played a lot with Garza, mostly, but not all. So did JBo, Wieskamp, and Keegan. How much overlap did they have with Luka? The next closest person was Keegan at +11 who also started both halves.

It's silly to make any conclusions from that stat from one game. He's 9th on the team for the season in BPM according to college basketball reference. He's 10th on the team in win shares per 40. Bottom line, he's getting way too many minutes.

 

[boxahawks]

Does it really matter who leaves? They were a hot mess out there throwing the ball all over Hell, giving up soooo many offensive rebounds to Indiana. At this stage all we can do is feel sorry for them.

 

[HawkAlum2002]

I'd like to see JT get more minutes in place of JBo, but if he plays even 20 minutes per game next year I'd be surprised if he doesn't lead the league in turnovers. He leads the entire team in turnovers with 27 and he plays less than 13 minutes per game! And he can't make anything outside of transition layups thus far in his career. Next year will be an interesting situation where we probably score 10 less points a game but also give up 10 less per game with the losses of Garza and JBo, and we'll have to wait and see whether that makes the team better or worse record-wise. It'll be like the shift in 2014 to 2015 when Dev Marble graduated. Both totals went down a bit, but we actually got better as a team IMO even if the pace slowed down a bit to do it.

 

[iahawks10]

It's silly to make any conclusions from that stat from one game. He's 9th on the team for the season in BPM according to college basketball reference. He's 10th on the team in win shares per 40. Bottom line, he's getting way too many minutes.

Well my comment was a response to someone claiming Connor played poorly TODAY. So not really all that silly to use stats from today’s game now is it?

 

[joemc2]

Neither Toussaint or Connor should be seeing prime minutes period, when 1 or the other or both of them are on the floor at the same time neither provide score ability and it allows the other team to double or triple team Garza without worrying about those 2 scoring enough to hurt their chances of beating Iowa.

I really liked last year’s Connor, but this year he isn’t the gut fighter/diruptor that he was. Joe T was pretty good as a freshman starter, not so good as a soph coming off bench. Wheezy, Garza and CJ are pretty much the same guys as last year; JBo is not the same guy he was 2 years ago. My point is everyone including national media expected these players to improve, but they have not.This team is a repeat of last year- 1st division B1G and Top 20, but not championship contender.

 

[littlez]

Well my comment was a response to someone claiming Connor played poorly TODAY. So not really all that silly to use stats from today’s game now is it?

Today’s game was close to his season average. Tell me about his intangibles.

 

[pocha444444]

Well my comment was a response to someone claiming Connor played poorly TODAY. So not really all that silly to use stats from today’s game now is it?

It is because there are many factors that come in to play with that stat for just one game. He didn't lose the game today, but we could have used another guard in there in the second half that could break the defense down. He's never going to be able to do that.

 

[iahawks10]

It is because there are many factors that come in to play with that stat for just one game. He didn't lose the game today, but we could have used another guard in there in the second half that could break the defense down. He's never going to be able to do that.

Absolutely could have used Fredrick today. No question. Other than him, not sure who would have helped that didn’t get a chance to.

 

[pocha444444]

Absolutely could have used Fredrick today. No question. Other than him, not sure who would have helped that didn’t get a chance to.

Toussaint

 

[24 so far]

You don’t have to announce that, we all can read your takes.

Not true. I haven't read one of the idiots takes in months, highly recommend.

 

[iahawks10]

Toussaint

Two turnovers in four minutes? I’m good with him next to coach today. Some games I’d agree with you 100%. Today wasn’t one of those days.

 

[RocknRollface]

Im not going to pretend JBo is a lockdown defender or even a serviceable one at that. It appears Fran has gone with Ferentz style where it doesn’t matter how bad it gets, just don’t turn the ball over approach. JBo played better defense today than he did against OSU. That or Indiana didn’t exploit it as much as OSU did.

Again with the Connor playing lackluster. He was plus 23 in the BPM. Next closest starter on either team was Keegan at 11.

I don't care about BPM when your not scoring, assisting, rebounding or stopping anyone.

Bpm can easily be a coincidence based on what others are doing.

 

[pocha444444]

Two turnovers in four minutes? I’m good with him next to coach today. Some games I’d agree with you 100%. Today wasn’t one of those days.

One he had to throw up on the inbounds since nobody was open. I don't remember the other. Either way, every other player gets to play through their struggles, why shouldn't he? He adds an element that no one else on the bench does. We could have used him in the second half. Fran's short leash has to be causing him to press.

 

[RocknRollface]

If 3 pts 2 assists and 1 rebounds gets you a +24 then I guess I don’t understand basketball.

If someone on your team goes off (Weiskamp) and the other team misses shots you can get a great bpm for doing nothing but being on the court.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I agree Fran has a massively short leash on Joe T and wouldn’t blame him if he left this year. Joe does have his ugly moments but as others have pointed out, everyone else gets way more opportunity to work through their bad moments.

 

[Kabby]

He played for less than 4 minutes. I'll bet I can pick out a 4 minute stretch where Bohannon played worse.

go ahead and list it then. JoeT was brutal

 

[RocknRollface]

Absolutely could have used Fredrick today. No question. Other than him, not sure who would have helped that didn’t get a chance to.

Ulis and Toussaint.

6 and 4 minutes doesnt qualify as a chance.

 

[iahawks10]

I don't care about BPM when your not scoring, assisting, rebounding or stopping anyone.

Bpm can easily be a coincidence based on what others are doing.

This tells me all I need to know. Thank you

One he had to throw up on the inbounds since nobody was open. I don't remember the other. Either way, every other player gets to play through their struggles, why shouldn't he? He adds an element that no one else on the bench does. We could have used him in the second half. Fran's short leash has to be causing him to press.

No one was open? Perkins was wide open under the hoop three feet from him. Perkins had his man perfectly sealed off. The other turnover was a few possessions after the T (9:35) where Joe just passed the ball to IU on the block. Nearest Iowa player was Nunge close to the FT line. This was right after Joe made a half court pass to Patrick that led him out of bounds and he had to make a decent save to retain possession.

 

[RocknRollface]

This tells me all I need to know. Thank you

You're welcome, glad I could help explain why BPM for one game means basically nothing.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Explain to me how 3 pts 2 rebounds and 1 assist is a good game. And before you say the little things, tell me what those are. Deflects passes, draws charges, gets steals, sets good picks, etc. ?

If Connor had any other last name he would barely be playing plain and simple. Same with Patrick who at best is our 9th best player but yet always first or second guy off the bench who provides nothing as well. Nepotism is alive and well with Fran. Love to hear anyone defend his sons minutes.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

One he had to throw up on the inbounds since nobody was open. I don't remember the other. Either way, every other player gets to play through their struggles, why shouldn't he? He adds an element that no one else on the bench does. We could have used him in the second half. Fran's short leash has to be causing him to press.

Good post.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Ulis and Toussaint.

6 and 4 minutes doesnt qualify as a chance.

Don’t copy me. 😉

 

[iahawks10]

Good post.

Inaccurate, but good? Rewatch it and tell me where Perkins is when Toussaint turns it over.

 

[Knothole Hawk]

It's real simple, Toussaint needs between 15 and 20 minutes per game. STEADY!! He played last year knowing he had basically 7 players you could count on. Got minutes with Garza as a starter. And his minutes were enough where he had a chance to redeem himself if he had a few bad plays. This year he is just not playing enough to get in any kind of groove. And as his minutes go down, the worse we play.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Inaccurate, but good? Rewatch it and tell me where Perkins is when Toussaint turns it over.

The judge rules: In favor of Touissant

 

[iahawks10]

The judge rules: In favor of Touissant

Nunge was open too on that play. So besides 50% of the players, yeah no one was open.

 

[Stormn Norman]

I don't think there's been a single game where Toussaint hasn't turned the ball over while dribbling within 1 minute of coming in. It's the weirdest thing for a PG in all of D1 ball.

well in his defense he doesn’t stop when he gets over the half court line and dribbles with his back to basket out there.. he tries to pressure the D and get in the lane from time to time..

 

[ZumaHawk]

Did you watch the game?

No he already admitted he didn’t watch the game in a different thread.

 

[SB_SB]

JB is not a PG, but for some reason Fran feels the need to play him there. It's painful to watch him bring the ball up. In our normal starting five Connor should be the PG and let JB try to get open. JB can't create his own shot, so how does it make sense to have the ball in his hands dribbling, the defender will always be on him. With CJ out, it should open the door for another guard to step in and play the point allowing Connor to be a forward. It might be worth a try to have JT start just to create some speed and change of pace. Something needs to change.

 

[pocha444444]

JB is not a PG, but for some reason Fran feels the need to play him there. It's painful to watch him bring the ball up. In our normal starting five Connor should be the PG and let JB try to get open. JB can't create his own shot, so how does it make sense to have the ball in his hands dribbling, the defender will always be on him. With CJ out, it should open the door for another guard to step in and play the point allowing Connor to be a forward. It might be worth a try to have JT start just to create some speed and change of pace. Something needs to change.

Agreed, if we're going to start both Connor and Jbo, at least have Connor handle the rock full time. Fran can't even get this right though. He finally started going to it at the end of the game, but by then it was too late.

 

[HawkGem10]

Fran and his neptosim is going to have several guys transferring this offseason

 

[Rifler]

Probably not...

 

[Legs94]

Fran could have 5 NBA guess on his bench and he's still going to play Connor over them because "he's a coach on the floor". Fran is not qualified to identify coaches until he figures out how to be at least a somewhat competent one himself.

 

[SB_SB]

Fran and his neptosim is going to have several guys transferring this offseason

When it comes to Connor I think he's earned his playing time. I just think he's not being utilized correctly. On offense he should be the PG unless there's truly a PG in the game (JB is not a PG). He truly is our best passer. If he was handling the ball more and getting it to Luka, people would be totally happy with Connor. But that's not what's happening. JB runs around like a cat being chased by a dog. Then Luka has to come way out and try to set a pick. JB is in so much stress, he can't even see to pass the ball.

When it comes to inbound plays, I have no idea why JB or JT are passing the ball in. If Connor is in the game, he should be throwing the ball in, period.

 

[HawkGem10]

When it comes to Connor I think he's earned his playing time. I just think he's not being utilized correctly. On offense he should be the PG unless there's truly a PG in the game (JB is not a PG). He truly is our best passer. If he was handling the ball more and getting it to Luka, people would be totally happy with Connor. But that's not what's happening. JB runs around like a cat being chased by a dog. Then Luka has to come way out and try to set a pick. JB is in so much stress, he can't even see to pass the ball.

When it comes to inbound plays, I have no idea why JB or JT are passing the ball in. If Connor is in the game, he should be throwing the ball in, period.

Conner can't shoot, can't play defense and is NOT quick enough to be PG at all..he would get eaten alive with the ball in his hand all the time..

 

[SB_SB]

Conner can't shoot, can't play defense and is NOT quick enough to be PG at all..he would get eaten alive with the ball in his hand all the time..

On defense he's as good or better than than JW. At times he does quite well defending players bigger than him.

JB get's eaten alive, I never see CM in that situation. CM's is truly a good decision maker and passer. It is better to have the ball in his hands than JB. JB should be shooting only. When it comes to JT, I think we need him at PG for the quickness. But JT (at this point) doesn't always make good decisions and isn't always a good passer. With Garza on the team, we need people who can feed him down low. CM is good at that so I have no problem playing him. He deserves it.