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Claes lands on his feet as DC at Washington State. He adds a little perspective to Row The Boat and a whole new “culture”. Love his quote about the 2016 Iowa game, “That one still kills me”.

Tracy Claeys, winning at Washington State, thinks his Gophers would have been winners, too
Former U football coach Tracy Claeys, fired after the 2016 season, is defensive coordinator for 14th-ranked Washington State -- and is a bit sick of hearing about the 'culture' change in Gophers football.
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The University of Minnesota was completing a 17-12 upset of Washington State in the 2016 Holiday Bowl. This improbable victory allowed Tracy Claeys to complete a first full season as Gophers head coach with a 9-4 record.

There was a photo of university President Eric Kaler and athletic director Mark Coyle on the sideline late in that game in San Diego. The duo looked as if news had just reached them that beloved family dogs had been run over by garbage trucks.

“They weren’t around the team at all in San Diego,” Claeys said. “When I saw them on the sideline, looking like that, I knew that I was fired.”

Which is what happened. Claeys had gotten crossways with Kaler and Coyle over the suspensions of 10 players — and then a brief team boycott — in early December. This was based on a university committee deciding against the players on a student’s accusation of sexual assault (uncharged by police). Coyle waited a week after the bowl game to fire Claeys, as P.J. Fleck was completing his Western Michigan duties with a 24-16 loss to Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl. Claeys was fired Jan. 3 and Fleck was announced as the coach three days later.

“I had never met Mike Leach until the news conference before we played his Washington State team in the Holiday Bowl,” Claeys said. “And a week later, when I was fired, the first coach to reach out to me was Mike Leach.”

Leach commiserated with Claeys for a time, and also made it known he had an opening for a defensive line coach, if Tracy felt like he wanted to make a quick return to coaching in 2017.

“I told Mike that the guy he should bring to Washington State to coach the defensive line was Jeff Phelps,” Claeys said. “Jeff had been with us at Northern Illinois and Minnesota. I told Mike, ‘He’s a heck of a football coach.’ ”

Phelps was named Washington State’s defensive line coach on Jan. 20, 2017. He was working for Alex Grinch, a young, wired-up defensive coordinator. There were rumors late in Washington State’s season that Grinch could be leaving for Ohio State.

Which is what happened. He’s now the co-defensive coordinator with Greg Schiano, spending this week trying to digest how the Buckeyes gave up 49 points to Purdue.

Claeys already had been in contact with Leach. He went to Leach’s home in Key West, Fla., for a four-day interview in early January 2018, and was announced as Cougars defensive coordinator Jan. 8.

Last Saturday, Washington State sent Oregon to its second loss, 34-20. Claeys’ defense was dominant in the first half and held on in the second. The Cougars moved from No. 25 to No. 14 in the Associated Press poll. Now, there’s a road game at Stanford, followed by California, Colorado, Arizona and then the Apple Cup with Washington — pitfalls everywhere.

“We had a great weekend here,” Claeys said. “ESPN was here with ‘GameDay.’ I’d never been around that. It’s unbelievable how that adds to the excitement. And then, you have to come down from that in a hurry and get ready to go to Stanford.”

Grinch considerably improved the Cougars defense. There were five excellent players from the 2017 D gone, and a reasonable nucleus of players back when Claeys arrived.

“Jeff Phelps sent me a few game tapes before I interviewed with Mike, and they were doing a lot of the same things we did at Minnesota,” Claeys said. “They had a different terminology. Rather than make everyone learn my terminology, I learned what was being used here.

“We didn’t want to complicate things more than was necessary for the players.

“Mike Leach says, ‘Any time I spend coaching defense, I’m wasting my time.’ He’s pretty much locked in the offensive room all day long. That was important for me to come back as an assistant — to run the defense.”

Pullman is a town of 33,000 (plus students), 75 miles south of Spokane and in the area of southeastern Washington called the Palouse, amid thousands of acres of picturesque rolling mounds and hills.

“They call ’em hills; they look like mountains to a guy from Kansas,” Claeys said. “What’s amazing is I grew up surrounded by all those wheat fields on the Kansas prairie, and here the wheat fields are on the side of the mountains, and they get more bushels per acre than Kansas.”

Claeys spent much of his year away from football back home in Clay Center, Kan., with his mom and the rest of his family. He took a minor dip into the cattle business with his brother, and was an invited guest to various college football programs — including Texas A&M-Commerce, which wound up winning the Division II national title.

He talks to a few Minnesotans on a regular basis, including Dan O’Brien, part of Jerry Kill’s football operation with the Gophers and now back in head coaching at St. Thomas Academy.

“OB sounds as happy as can be, back coaching high school kids,” Claeys said.

Claeys is also happy, being associated with Leach — “He’s not all ate up with football; he talks about more different things than any coach I know” — but he is a bit sick of hearing about the “culture” change with Gophers football.

“We were 11-and-8 after I took over for Jerry and six of those losses were to teams with 10 or more wins,” Claeys said. “We didn’t lose to teams we were supposed to beat; except that Iowa game at home in 2016 … that one still kills me.

“We left a nine-win team. We were going to play Seth Green at quarterback in 2017, and he was going to keep getting better. We would’ve won eight games last season and been better this year.

“Much as they want to, don’t let ’em blame too much on me.”
 
I always thought if Kill stuck around he would have had them competitive most years and stronger competition than we see now. Not saying they'd compete for the West every year but could every so often something they haven't done since the divisions were made.

I'm sure Claeys and all the former coaches from his and Kill's staffs roll their eyes and are just as annoyed as every non Gopher fan with Fleck and his cheesy antics.
 
Claes lands on his feet as DC at Washington State. He adds a little perspective to Row The Boat and a whole new “culture”. Love his quote about the 2016 Iowa game, “That one still kills me”.

Tracy Claeys, winning at Washington State, thinks his Gophers would have been winners, too
Former U football coach Tracy Claeys, fired after the 2016 season, is defensive coordinator for 14th-ranked Washington State -- and is a bit sick of hearing about the 'culture' change in Gophers football.
ows_154033177420039.jpg

The University of Minnesota was completing a 17-12 upset of Washington State in the 2016 Holiday Bowl. This improbable victory allowed Tracy Claeys to complete a first full season as Gophers head coach with a 9-4 record.

There was a photo of university President Eric Kaler and athletic director Mark Coyle on the sideline late in that game in San Diego. The duo looked as if news had just reached them that beloved family dogs had been run over by garbage trucks.

“They weren’t around the team at all in San Diego,” Claeys said. “When I saw them on the sideline, looking like that, I knew that I was fired.”

Which is what happened. Claeys had gotten crossways with Kaler and Coyle over the suspensions of 10 players — and then a brief team boycott — in early December. This was based on a university committee deciding against the players on a student’s accusation of sexual assault (uncharged by police). Coyle waited a week after the bowl game to fire Claeys, as P.J. Fleck was completing his Western Michigan duties with a 24-16 loss to Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl. Claeys was fired Jan. 3 and Fleck was announced as the coach three days later.

“I had never met Mike Leach until the news conference before we played his Washington State team in the Holiday Bowl,” Claeys said. “And a week later, when I was fired, the first coach to reach out to me was Mike Leach.”

Leach commiserated with Claeys for a time, and also made it known he had an opening for a defensive line coach, if Tracy felt like he wanted to make a quick return to coaching in 2017.

“I told Mike that the guy he should bring to Washington State to coach the defensive line was Jeff Phelps,” Claeys said. “Jeff had been with us at Northern Illinois and Minnesota. I told Mike, ‘He’s a heck of a football coach.’ ”

Phelps was named Washington State’s defensive line coach on Jan. 20, 2017. He was working for Alex Grinch, a young, wired-up defensive coordinator. There were rumors late in Washington State’s season that Grinch could be leaving for Ohio State.

Which is what happened. He’s now the co-defensive coordinator with Greg Schiano, spending this week trying to digest how the Buckeyes gave up 49 points to Purdue.

Claeys already had been in contact with Leach. He went to Leach’s home in Key West, Fla., for a four-day interview in early January 2018, and was announced as Cougars defensive coordinator Jan. 8.

Last Saturday, Washington State sent Oregon to its second loss, 34-20. Claeys’ defense was dominant in the first half and held on in the second. The Cougars moved from No. 25 to No. 14 in the Associated Press poll. Now, there’s a road game at Stanford, followed by California, Colorado, Arizona and then the Apple Cup with Washington — pitfalls everywhere.

“We had a great weekend here,” Claeys said. “ESPN was here with ‘GameDay.’ I’d never been around that. It’s unbelievable how that adds to the excitement. And then, you have to come down from that in a hurry and get ready to go to Stanford.”

Grinch considerably improved the Cougars defense. There were five excellent players from the 2017 D gone, and a reasonable nucleus of players back when Claeys arrived.

“Jeff Phelps sent me a few game tapes before I interviewed with Mike, and they were doing a lot of the same things we did at Minnesota,” Claeys said. “They had a different terminology. Rather than make everyone learn my terminology, I learned what was being used here.

“We didn’t want to complicate things more than was necessary for the players.

“Mike Leach says, ‘Any time I spend coaching defense, I’m wasting my time.’ He’s pretty much locked in the offensive room all day long. That was important for me to come back as an assistant — to run the defense.”

Pullman is a town of 33,000 (plus students), 75 miles south of Spokane and in the area of southeastern Washington called the Palouse, amid thousands of acres of picturesque rolling mounds and hills.

“They call ’em hills; they look like mountains to a guy from Kansas,” Claeys said. “What’s amazing is I grew up surrounded by all those wheat fields on the Kansas prairie, and here the wheat fields are on the side of the mountains, and they get more bushels per acre than Kansas.”

Claeys spent much of his year away from football back home in Clay Center, Kan., with his mom and the rest of his family. He took a minor dip into the cattle business with his brother, and was an invited guest to various college football programs — including Texas A&M-Commerce, which wound up winning the Division II national title.

He talks to a few Minnesotans on a regular basis, including Dan O’Brien, part of Jerry Kill’s football operation with the Gophers and now back in head coaching at St. Thomas Academy.

“OB sounds as happy as can be, back coaching high school kids,” Claeys said.

Claeys is also happy, being associated with Leach — “He’s not all ate up with football; he talks about more different things than any coach I know” — but he is a bit sick of hearing about the “culture” change with Gophers football.

“We were 11-and-8 after I took over for Jerry and six of those losses were to teams with 10 or more wins,” Claeys said. “We didn’t lose to teams we were supposed to beat; except that Iowa game at home in 2016 … that one still kills me.

“We left a nine-win team. We were going to play Seth Green at quarterback in 2017, and he was going to keep getting better. We would’ve won eight games last season and been better this year.

“Much as they want to, don’t let ’em blame too much on me.”

Plus both him and kill looked like gophers.
They were made for minny.
 
Fleck is definitely over the top, but I think he will win more than Claeys would have. They’re really young. Now with that said, if Fleck has any kind of success, he’s gone. Claeys would’ve stayed for life and won 6-8 games per year.

Could be. It was a terrible misstep for him to back the player boycott against the people who paid his salary. It's worth noting that in Claeys short time as HC he won back-to-back bowl games. And the team he currently works for is doing exceptionally well. PJ is winless in the big ten this year and has yet to get things going. How much patience will Minnesota have?

http://www.startribune.com/gophers-coach-p-j-fleck-is-a-master-at-lowering-expectations/450454723/
 
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Claeys may be a good Xs and Os football coach but he is lousy at instilling any sense of accountability to his players. The legal system shouldn't be your yardstick for morality. And he fanned the flames by not backing the administration when players were suspended because of serious sexual assault accusations and witness intimidation.
 
He's probably going to be one of those guys that is a great coordinator, but not really head coach material considering that a head coach has to be a CEO and play the games when dealing with boosters and administration.

Kind of like how Fry and Ferentz are great at being Head Coach/CEO, while Norm, Phil, and KOK have been great Coordinators but not really ever considered for Head Coach positions at big time schools. (Yes, KOK had some great offenses in 2001 and 2002, plus a few good ones in other seasons)

When you think about everything that Phil has done in his career with putting tons of players into the NFL as a position coach and leading some damn good defenses since taking over for Norm, it is amazing that some school hasn't taken a chance on giving him the reigns. Maybe they have and he just turned it down.
 
Fleck is about to miss out on a bowl in his first two seasons. Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Northwestern and Purdue are all better than Minnesota. I don't see Fleck lasting past next year.
 
Claeys and Fleck were both assistant coaches under Kill at Northern Illinois, so it's not that Claeys is not familiar with Fleck. He probably didn't get the "row the boat" idea while at Northern Illinois, though.
 
Claeys and Kill both seemed like good guys and good coaches. PJ - does not check either of those boxes - he reminds my of Rick Pitino.
Can I ask why he reminds you of Pitino? There's no doubt he's over the top and tries to oversell his program, but I really have not seen much from him that makes me think he's dirty or of low character.

He's easy to dislike as a opposing fan because of the "elite" and "row the boat" stuff, but he doesn't seem like a bad guy. Was pretty big on the Iowa Wave if I remember right. Did I miss something about him?
 
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As much as his antics annoy me, I do think Fleck is actually a good guy. The row the boat stuff is cheesy, but it has a connection to his kid that died.
 
Kill was a perfect fit for Mn. Unfortunately for him, his health dictated stepping back. On another note, some coaches don't want to be head coaches and deal with all of angst that goes with it. Dealing with the media, administration, and all of the day to day responsibilities that go with it. Working with the kids and the X's and O's are what they really want to deal with.
 
As much as his antics annoy me, I do think Fleck is actually a good guy. The row the boat stuff is cheesy, but it has a connection to his kid that died.

The row the boat stuff is only a small part of what makes him annoying. The high pressure "we aren't letting you leave here without committing" thing is what really defines him.
 
The row the boat stuff is only a small part of what makes him annoying. The high pressure "we aren't letting you leave here without committing" thing is what really defines him.
Plus the fact a Cpl all-big ten guys ride the bench while his younger guys play. Cpl guys wanted out of there and graduate early and fleck messed with their schedule/classes so they couldn't. He took away all cell phones, threatened kids and staff if they contact anyone from previous staff they're gone. What a prick....doesn't he realize people form bonds and look up to other people not just him? He has no respect from anyone outside that organization....or even probably from within. I could go on-and-on.....he better start winning up there or even the tards in carge up there might get wise to his fake antics.
 
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I think Greg McElory (former Bama QB) and Jonathan Vilma (former Miami LB) both said it well when watching them discuss Fleck last year. All his antics and stuff work well for the under dog MAC schools like Western Michigan. But like they said at top notch schools like they played for they think their teammates would have found it cheesy and corny especially as upperclassman. They said think stuff is more impressionable on younger guys but thinks after a while would wear thin on guys and both are glad they didn't have to deal with crap like that at Bama and the U. However said if winning lot easier for players to put up with but you start losing and this is type of stuff doesn't play as much with guys and outside locker room just brings on more criticism from others like the analyst and media.

I did find it funny during Iowa game mentioned some gopher player and joked he probably won't be transferring anytime soon after he got a Row the Boat tattoo.
 
I think Greg McElory (former Bama QB) and Jonathan Vilma (former Miami LB) both said it well when watching them discuss Fleck last year. All his antics and stuff work well for the under dog MAC schools like Western Michigan. But like they said at top notch schools like they played for they think their teammates would have found it cheesy and corny especially as upperclassman. They said think stuff is more impressionable on younger guys but thinks after a while would wear thin on guys and both are glad they didn't have to deal with crap like that at Bama and the U. However said if winning lot easier for players to put up with but you start losing and this is type of stuff doesn't play as much with guys and outside locker room just brings on more criticism from others like the analyst and media.

I did find it funny during Iowa game mentioned some gopher player and joked he probably won't be transferring anytime soon after he got a Row the Boat tattoo.

This sounds like Harbaugh in the NFL. His players were tired of his crap after about the second year. Salesmanship doesnt count for squat if there isn't substance to back it up.
 
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I still believe, if his health had permitted (it obviously never could), that Jerry Kill would have won a B1G West title for the Gophers. He had something very special going but, sadly, it couldn't last with his health. Tracy Claes was no Jerry Kill, Row Your Boat was no Tracy Claes
 
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This sounds like Harbaugh in the NFL. His players were tired of his crap after about the second year. Salesmanship doesnt count for squat if there isn't substance to back it up.

Does a Super Bowl appearance count as substance? Niners sucked for many years before JH got there, and have sucked ever since he left. I suppose his antics may not have translated well in the NFL, but it's a pretty tough argument to say that he his teams haven't performed well everywhere he has coached, even at Michigan.
 
Does a Super Bowl appearance count as substance? Niners sucked for many years before JH got there, and have sucked ever since he left. I suppose his antics may not have translated well in the NFL, but it's a pretty tough argument to say that he his teams haven't performed well everywhere he has coached, even at Michigan.
He caught lightning in a bottle for a cpl years in sanfran....his teams at Michigan have been overrated IMHO.
 
I knew someone on staff with the U of MN office of Student Conduct/Affairs. When Kill was hired he was engaged with their office, player conduct incidents were down, and grades were up. Claeys took over and reversed those positive trends.
 
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