Transfer portal

[RocknRollface]

The main factor in development is always the player themselves and how much work they put in.

Any coach can only help facilitate at best and players know this.

They don't pick schools hoping the coach will transform them.

They want to play a style that suits their abilities and features them.

Any good post player should consider Iowa because Fran has shown that he will feature you and taylor things to you if you are good enough.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

BS right back at you. So you've never heard of A White? Did you really think that he would end up as Iowa's third all time leading scorer? Here's a hint, he was a gym rat much like Luka. And no he didn't work with Luka's dad either, unless there's video out there........What about Gabe Olasini? Are you really saying he wasn't better his last year then his first? Ryan Kreiner didn't get better in his last two years? Franks finger prints on any of these other guys? I could go on but it really doesn't matter does it?

White:
Totally different type of player, did NOT play with his back to the basket.

Olaseni: Role player, at maximum

Kreiner: See Olaseni, but also played facing the basket quite often

Decent players in the post, but nowhere near Luka.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Bullshit. He's the only big that has appreciably developed during Fran's tenure.

Gee, another Fran hater. How unique.

 

[iahawks10]

Decent players in the post, but nowhere near Luka.

If you’re looking for players who are, we’re going to be here awhile.

What you said was “Bullshit. He's the only big that has appreciably developed during Fran's tenure.” And of course KCEast proved you wrong.

 

[Lumas Etima]

I don’t think landing a quality transfer is as easy as a lot of fans think it is. For the top-tier players, they are going to want to go someplace where they are guaranteed to start. With the personnel Iowa has back (and with Fran’s reputation for loyalty), Iowa might not be seen as a great landing spot.

For another big chunk of players in the portal, they are transferring with baggage. Might be attitude issues. Might be academics. Might be injury issues. Whatever the baggage, these are not guys who are going to help the program.

That leaves you with a much smaller group of players who would both consider Iowa AND help the program. As has been stated earlier, Fran is a strong disciple of the culture-fit school of thought. (He is not alone — read “The Ideal Team Player” by Patrick Lencioni is you want to learn more about the philosophy followed by many coaches and corporate leaders.)

The bottom line is that Iowa is only going to go after guys who they think will be a good fit. They aren’t going to threaten team dynamics just for the sake of adding bodies. If there is a clear value add who will complement team culture, I think they will pursue. But the pool of players who fit this criteria is dramatically smaller than the overall portal pool.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Gee, another Fran hater. How unique.

Not a Fran hater. But I think the "players will want to come because of Luka" isn't necessarily a "thing"

 

[hawkeyebob62]

If you’re looking for players who are, we’re going to be here awhile.

What you said was “Bullshit. He's the only big that has appreciably developed during Fran's tenure.” And of course KCEast proved you wrong.

No, he did not. Olaseni never passed Woodbury who, himself, didn't develop/improve all that much from his first to his last year.

I'll agree, we won't see many, if any, like Luka.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Not a Fran hater. But I think the "players will want to come because of Luka" isn't necessarily a "thing"

And yet you went out of your way to slam Fran’s development of big men during his time at Iowa. You’re simply wrong. Now, if you want to talk about lead guards......

 

[iahawks10]

No, he did not. Olaseni never passed Woodbury who, himself, didn't develop/improve all that much from his first to his last year.

I'll agree, we won't see many, if any, like Luka.

Olaseni didn’t start on the same level playing field as Woody did either. That doesn’t mean he didn’t develop.

Woody, as you admitted above, did improve too. FG%, FT%, Rebs, TOs and especially defense all improved for Woodbury.

Are you suggesting that Kriener didn’t improve in his four years at Iowa?

Face it, you are 100% wrong on this. Own it, move on to a new agenda.

 

[RocknRollface]

Not a Fran hater. But I think the "players will want to come because of Luka" isn't necessarily a "thing"

If you're a good player that wants allot of post touches it is.

No player thinks a coach can turn them into something they are not.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

And yet you went out of your way to slam Fran’s development of big men during his time at Iowa. You’re simply wrong. Now, if you want to talk about lead guards......

The contention was that big-men transfers would want to come here to follow in Luka's footsteps. Simply coming here won't be enough. Wasn't slamming Fran's development as much as highlighting Luka's work ethic, along with a very supportive father.

 

[RocknRollface]

The contention was that big-men transfers would want to come here to follow in Luka's footsteps. Simply coming here won't be enough. Wasn't slamming Fran's development as much as highlighting Luka's work ethic, along with a very supportive father.

Enough to do what? Become Garza?

No player would expect to be someone else.

What they would expect is to get the ball.

 

[denmar81]

Iowa’s losing 3 Starters so there’s starting spots available. Keegan most likely gets Joes spot so a 5 and guard are there for the taking. Is Patrick, Nunge, Perkins, JT, or Ullis guaranteed to fill those spots? Shouldn’t be automatic for anyone but any decent transfer probably wants a guarantee and Fran can’t or won’t. If I had to guess, Fran may take a post player but he’s not going to be a highly rated one.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Olaseni didn’t start on the same level playing field as Woody did either. That doesn’t mean he didn’t develop.

Woody, as you admitted above, did improve too. FG%, FT%, Rebs, TOs and especially defense all improved for Woodbury.

Are you suggesting that Kriener didn’t improve in his four years at Iowa?

Face it, you are 100% wrong on this. Own it, move on to a new agenda.

Kriener was not a full-time back-to-basket player.

Again, please outline the development, beyond normal, expected improvement.

<<Own it, move on to a new agenda>>

What agenda? Own what? The fact you "think" you're right, even when you aren't? Cool, I'll own that all day, every day.

 

[bdg8]

Not a Fran hater. But I think the "players will want to come because of Luka" isn't necessarily a "thing"

Like tight ends in football. We assume it makes a difference but the results say otherwise

 

[RocknRollface]

Kriener was not a full-time back-to-basket player.

Again, please outline the development, beyond normal, expected improvement.

<<Own it, move on to a new agenda>>

What agenda? Own what? The fact you "think" you're right, even when you aren't? Cool, I'll own that all day, every day.

Whats the difference?

Garza always had great talent to finish from day 1, he just got in really great shape, got stronger and worked on his jump shot.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

Whats the difference?

Garza always had great talent to finish from day 1, he just got in really great shape, got stronger and worked on his jump shot.

Right? He didn’t come in as an unskilled stiff. There’s a reason he was a highly pursued 4 star recruit.

 

[iahawks10]

Kriener was not a full-time back-to-basket player.

Again, please outline the development, beyond normal, expected improvement.

<<Own it, move on to a new agenda>>

What agenda? Own what? The fact you "think" you're right, even when you aren't? Cool, I'll own that all day, every day.

If Kriener wasn’t a “full time back to the basket” player, then neither was Luka. This entire conversation is pointless. You keep moving the goalposts and changing your narrative.

Own the fact that you are wrong. Your agenda of “Luka being the only big that developed under Fran”. I see that agenda has already changed, so there’s a start.

 

[RocknRollface]

No body made Garza.

He had great talent to make shots and great work ethic fine tune it.

Talent + work is always the formula that results in great players.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Enough to do what? Become Garza?

No player would expect to be someone else.

What they would expect is to get the ball.

But players transferring usually do it for a reason. It doesn't mean they're good, or that they'll get starting minutes at Iowa just because they got them elsewhere.

The idea that a kid will "thrive in a new environment' isn't a panacea. As has been pointed out, some guys are head cases, some don't work hard, whatever. Just because a name of a kid of a certain size is in the portal that Fran necessarily wants him.

<<Enough to do what? Become Garza?>>

We won't see many of those. And I doubt we'll find many, if any, in the transfer portal.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

If Kriener wasn’t a “full time back to the basket” player, then neither was Luka. This entire conversation is pointless. You keep moving the goalposts and changing your narrative.

Own the fact that you are wrong. Your agenda of “Luka being the only big that developed under Fran”. I see that agenda has already changed, so there’s a start.

Oh, JFC, Luka played the 5. Kriener often played the 4.

 

[RocknRollface]

Right? He didn’t come in as an unskilled stiff. There’s a reason he was a highly pursued 4 star recruit.

Exactly, there's not a coach anywhere that could have turned Adam Woodbury into anything close to Garza.

Talent is the main determiner.

 

[chaneccooms]

White:
Totally different type of player, did NOT play with his back to the basket.

Olaseni: Role player, at maximum

Kreiner: See Olaseni, but also played facing the basket quite often

Decent players in the post, but nowhere near Luka.

Keep moving those goalposts. Always a sign you’ve got a strong argument.

 

[RocknRollface]

But players transferring usually do it for a reason. It doesn't mean they're good, or that they'll get starting minutes at Iowa just because they got them elsewhere.

The idea that a kid will "thrive in a new environment' isn't a panacea. As has been pointed out, some guys are head cases, some don't work hard, whatever. Just because a name of a kid of a certain size is in the portal that Fran necessarily wants him.

<<Enough to do what? Become Garza?>>

We won't see many of those. And I doubt we'll find many, if any, in the transfer portal.

If a talented post player is going to transfer somewhere he will want to play for a coach who has show he will feed the ball to the big man.

Thats far from a given at allot of places.

Obviously there's other factors they will also consider but from a bball standpoint style and available touches are what guys consider most as well as talent around them.

 

[unoHawkeye]

White:
Totally different type of player, did NOT play with his back to the basket.

Olaseni: Role player, at maximum

Kreiner: See Olaseni, but also played facing the basket quite often

Decent players in the post, but nowhere near Luka.

The first thing it says under Olaseni’s Iowa profile: “Increased scoring, rebounding, and blocked shots averages each season since his rookie year… finished his career ranked fifth in blocked shots at Iowa (141)”

By the way, that culminated in him winning the Big Ten Sixth Man of the Year award. If Woodbury hadn’t been taking substantial minutes from him (only averaged 18.6mpg as a senior), and if Luka hadn’t been blocking Kriener, both would have been very respectable Big Ten starters

 

[Hawksfinal4]

Iowa’s losing 3 Starters so there’s starting spots available. Keegan most likely gets Joes spot so a 5 and guard are there for the taking. Is Patrick, Nunge, Perkins, JT, or Ullis guaranteed to fill those spots? Shouldn’t be automatic for anyone but any decent transfer probably wants a guarantee and Fran can’t or won’t. If I had to guess, Fran may take a post player but he’s not going to be a highly rated one.

You think a transfer should be guaranteed a starting spot before he steps on campus?

 

[denmar81]

You think a transfer should be guaranteed a starting spot before he steps on campus?

Didn’t say that. I said a decent transfer will probably want a guarantee.

 

[Hawksfinal4]

Didn’t say that. I said a decent transfer will probably want a guarantee.

That wouldn’t be a player I’d want

 

[Hawksfinal4]

If said player wasn’t expecting to compete for a starting spot then he doesn’t deserve one no matter how talented he was

 

[tippet1]

Who's to say BigO doesn't come in next year and give quality minutes. I have no idea what he is and isn't capable of doing due to basically not playing. Does he look pretty raw, yes, but those types of players usually make great strides quickly. Going against Garza and Nunge in practice didn't hurt.

 

[doughuddl2]

White:
Totally different type of player, did NOT play with his back to the basket.

Olaseni: Role player, at maximum

Kreiner: See Olaseni, but also played facing the basket quite often

Decent players in the post, but nowhere near Luka.

Lmfao, move the goalposts, now they have to be as good as Luka. Bye, again.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Re our talk above. The latest HS commitments make it pretty unlikely Gonzaga goes after an undergrad transfer big man, at least not as a priority. That can only help Iowa. I may not help, but it cannot hurt.

Also, although I have been traditionally hostile to transfers the changing nature of the game and the society in which it exists make working the transfer market important and necessary. The current Iowa situation is Exhibit A in your/my and the correct conclusion-get out there and get some shooters and big men.

That transferred in?

Cartwright
Dickerson
Uthoff
Jones
Evelyn

Wow, good catch. I had forgotten a few names. To be more specific, I am talking about grad transfers because I think there is at least a 10% chance Fran will look at them vs. 0% chance he takes a transfer with multiple years of eligibility. Totally forgot about Dale Jones. Dude was a physical specimen but had knee issues if memory serves.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

That doesn't really matter, there's plenty of bigs who can't do that in the league.

Kofi’s weakness is the same as Lukas, he can't defend away from the hoop.

Most nba teams play 4 out with a screener, Kofi is plenty capable of playing that role on offense he just can't defend it on defense.

Still, I expect he would be drafted this year but maybe not first round.

Give me a name of a player who can't shoot, certainly can't pass the ball, and in your own words, can't defend away from the basket. If you aren't an offensive threat, NBA pick and roll will not work in today's game. Most mocks don't have him as even a 2nd round pick. Free agent may be worth a flyer.

 

[silasstarr]

The last three seasons haven't been mediocre, though. Not dream seasons but good teams.

After inheriting the worst Iowa situation any Iowa coach ever inherited (OK, last 70 years, maybe not ever), coming off records for most seasonal losses. After one season to clean up the roster he stopped the 20+ losses per year and had Iowa in the 2nd round of the NIT. In the following nine seasons there has been 1 very strange losing record, 2 NITs, one in the finals, and six NCAA appearances (never "mediocre" at Iowa) and 5 round of 32 games.

The guy has some coaching limitations, particularly a lack of in game flexibility and creativity, but that isn't hardly the same as being apathetic and just playing out the string until retirement, which is really what you conclude. F McC has to keep winning because unlike Kirk or the great coaches of the 80s and does not have a very warm relationship in the donor community or fanbase, in part because he's kind of a dick. The fans and donors will turn on the guy really fast following an otherwise inexplicably poor season. There are criticisms but I don't think describing Fran as apathetic or lazy are not among them.

Is Fran known as a 'Dick' in the IC community? That's the first I've heard of it. I thought he was generally viewed as a fun guy to be around.

 

[BBHawk]

Is Fran known as a 'Dick' in the IC community? That's the first I've heard of it. I thought he was generally viewed as a fun guy to be around.

McC doesn't have any bad rep in Iowa City. Not sure that the poster you replied to lives in the Iowa City area but I do. I have never heard anything bad about the McCaffreys. And FWIW, Margaret has never caused a fuss at any Iowa games that I attended. I had been a season ticket holder every year they've been here until last.

 

[Suterman]

Team oriented, relatively trouble-free kids who at least express an interest in Iowa. Contacts with a lot of kids is made but only some have interest.

And most

McC doesn't have any bad rep in Iowa City. Not sure that the poster you replied to lives in the Iowa City area but I do. I have never heard anything bad about the McCaffreys. And FWIW, Margaret has never caused a fuss at any Iowa games that I attended. I had been a season ticket holder every year they've been here until last.

The community is very supportive of the McCaffery family and vice versa.

 

[Ronman]

Employing transfers to bolster your roster is akin to drafting players to fill a needed spot in the NBA. Even the best teams are doing it. Iowa cannot turn their noses up at acquiring talent, no matter where it comes from. Every team in the B1G is looking to improve in any way they can. We cannot simply ignore an entire, large pool of talent.

 

[BBHawk]

Employing transfers to bolster your roster is akin to drafting players to fill a needed spot in the NBA. Even the best teams are doing it. Iowa cannot turn their noses up at acquiring talent, no matter where it comes from. Every team in the B1G is looking to improve in any way they can. We cannot simply ignore an entire, large pool of talent.

Not quite, that assumes that all teams havw bidding rights. There is no free agency in college hoops.

 

[RocknRollface]

Give me a name of a player who can't shoot, certainly can't pass the ball, and in your own words, can't defend away from the basket. If you aren't an offensive threat, NBA pick and roll will not work in today's game. Most mocks don't have him as even a 2nd round pick. Free agent may be worth a flyer.

Theres plenty of 5s that can't shoot or pass but usually they're pretty good perimeter defenders. But theres still some old school type bigs hanging around.

Off the top of my head.

Deandre Jordan, Dwight Howard, Steven Adams, Andre Drummond, Javale McGee.

Obviously the idea is Koffi could eventually be at least an adequate defender on the perimeter.

He doesn't lack athleticism the same way Luka does.

You can't totally abandon interior bangers because theres still guys like Embid and Jockich that will just beat a team up on the block if you go too small.

 

[RocknRollface]

Not quite, that assumes that all teams havw bidding rights. There is no free agency in college hoops.

Yes there is.

Grad transfers are exactly like free agents.

A free agent in NBA can go wherever they want, they don't necessarily go to the highest bidder.