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Treasury Sec Bessent says that tariffs won’t cause inflation “because China will eat any tariffs that go on”, Mexico also matching tariffs on China

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This was supposedly one of the better/smarter cabinet picks.


Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said Sunday that President Donald Trump's proposed tariffs are unlikely to raise inflation, in part because China will "eat any tariffs that go on."
Bessent's comments come just two days before the tariffs are scheduled to go into effect on Tuesday. Trump is expected to impose 25% tariffs on imports from Mexico and Canada. The president also announced the U.S. would impose an extra 10% duty on Chinese imports, on top of the 10% tariff he levied on the country on Feb. 4.
"China will pay for the tariffs because their business model is exporting their way out of this inflation."

"They will eat any tariffs that go on," Bessent added.
Bessent was asked Sunday about his comments that Mexico has proposed matching the U.S. tariffs on China to avoid being hit with Trump's tariffs. He also urged Canada to follow Mexico's proposal.

"We'll see. The Mexican leadership has offered to do that," Bessent said. "We haven't heard from the Canadians, but I think that would be a very good start."
He added that announcements from the countries [on matching tariffs] could come on Tuesday, "or maybe the tariff wall goes up, and then we see what happens from there."
 
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This was supposedly one of the better/smarter cabinet picks.


WTF is he saying? No inflation These countries will eat the tariffs? This is a cabinet-level official making a statement like this.

Sure, the Orange Blimp counts on his low-information base but there ARE people out here that DO think and collect information. He got by for most of 1st term with his carnival barker showmanship, but people forget; he was proverbially (in political terms) run out of office.

For all criticism leveled against Biden, he brought welcome sanity and stability to a country that had undergone 4 years of chaos and insecurity. That 4 years could not predict what the Orange Turd would unleash in his 6 weeks so far in his second term.
 
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Why do our comrades never enter these threads

I guess it's a matter of not entering a battle you can't be competitive. They haven't figured out yet the broad scope of issues they eventually will succumb with this Orange Train Wreck,
 
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They sell American products?
They have American names on them. But a lot of it is assembled elsewhere. Or the components going into them come from elsewhere. All of those products come with increased costs.
A lot of the components from China might be shit and rejected multiple times. But I believe they can produce them so cheaply it’s still more cost effective than American made. No matter the size of the tariff.
 
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They sell American products?
Products manufactured overseas by American companies. One of the companies I am referencing is the one I used to run. So I know exactly what they and their competitors are doing on this front. Beyond that I have some friends in C level positions in other orgs large and small. Everyone is passing the tariffs along. I know of no one planning to eat the cost themselves. Not saying that won’t happen, but I bet it is a rarity when it does.
 
Products manufactured overseas by American companies. One of the companies I am referencing is the one I used to run. So I know exactly what they and their competitors are doing on this front. Beyond that I have some friends in C level positions in other orgs large and small. Everyone is passing the tariffs along. I know of no one planning to eat the cost themselves. Not saying that won’t happen, but I bet it is a rarity when it does.
One part I'm looking for clarification on is what connection to the US the company must have. For example, does a "tundra" that's manufactured in Texas by a Japanese company gwt them?

Or as your example suggest is it where the manufacturing takes place?


The goal is to get people buying American, In my opinion, keeping an American name and making it in the "Philippines" is how we end up with thr mustang 2, and nobody wants that.
 
One part I'm looking for clarification on is what connection to the US the company must have. For example, does a "tundra" that's manufactured in Texas by a Japanese company gwt them?

Or as your example suggest is it where the manufacturing takes place?


The goal is to get people buying American, In my opinion, keeping an American name and making it in the "Philippines" is how we end up with thr mustang 2, and nobody wants that.
Well it is hard for me to say exactly where Trump will land as he keeps flip flopping and creating this stupid economic uncertainty.

But in general terms tariffs are specifically placed on a product that is imported and then sold in the US. Usually that product doesn’t have to be the finished Tundra that might be made abroad. It could be leather seats for the tundra made by a supplier in Mexico then sold to Toyota for final assembly in their US factory. The seats in that case would be subject to Mexico tariffs should there be any on that class of goods. If the engine was imported from Japan then that would get whatever tariff is applied on Japanese products.

The fact Toyota is HQed in Japan doesn’t factor into that type of tariff. But again, who knows what crazy ideas Trump will try, the whole thing is an absolute shit show in part because businesses cannot forecast what will happen.

Let me know if that is not clear, it is a confusing time for sure.
 
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One part I'm looking for clarification on is what connection to the US the company must have. For example, does a "tundra" that's manufactured in Texas by a Japanese company gwt them?

Or as your example suggest is it where the manufacturing takes place?


The goal is to get people buying American, In my opinion, keeping an American name and making it in the "Philippines" is how we end up with thr mustang 2, and nobody wants that.
If you are asking these questions you obviously don't know shit about tariffs or how they work. I applaud your desire to learn. Tariffs have been based on where the product is manufactured regardless of ownership. Trump could spring something different, but that's how they have worked in the past.
 
If you are asking these questions you obviously don't know shit about tariffs or how they work. I applaud your desire to learn.
Look at it again, my question has to do with how it will be established and on what counts towards what.


To Travelers point, do seats count for the "tundra" to be "manufactured here"? Or where do we establish lines on these products built across several nations.
 
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Look at it again, my question has to do with how it will be established and on what counts towards what.


To Travelers point, do seats count for the "tundra" to be "manufactured here"? Or where do we establish lines on these products built across several nations.
See the rest of my explanation. I had accidentally hit post before I was finished. It's where the product is manufactured. If you want to go even deeper in the weeds there's a big issue with the way the reciprocal tariffs are also being discussed. The Trump admin is currently considering VAT as a tariff in Europe for the reciprocal calcs. That's kind of nuts as it's paid whether imported or manufactured there. It would mean they'd bump tariffs on products coming to the US from Europe by 20% in response and it's not a valid logic.
 
See the rest of my explanation. I had accidentally hit post before I was finished. It's where the product is manufactured. If you want to go even deeper in the weeds there's a big issue with the way the reciprocal tariffs are also being discussed. The Trump admin is currently considering VAT as a tariff in Europe for the reciprocal calcs. That's kind of nuts as it's paid whether imported or manufactured there. It would mean they'd bump tariffs on products coming to the US from Europe by 20% in response and it's not a valid logic.
And that is what he and I were discussing towards what counts as manufactured.


If you build a car in China, ship it to the US, put the glass in it and a Ford badge does that count as "manfactured" since it isn't able to meet safety standards without that? That's the part I don't know.
 
Look at it again, my question has to do with how it will be established and on what counts towards what.


To Travelers point, do seats count for the "tundra" to be "manufactured here"? Or where do we establish lines on these products built across several nations.
The seats would be tariffed. Toyota would absolutely pay extra to import the seats. The work they do to install those seats in the US would not be tariffed, nor would the actual Tundra if made in the US. In this case Toyota has the decision on whether they would raise the overall price of the finished Tundra to recoup the extra cost of the seat tariff.

I think you will find most mfgs will raise prices to pass those costs along, but of course that is subject to each industry’s competitive dynamic, consumer price elasticity, etc,
 
The tariff scheme is going to help China tremendously. China should encourage it. Trump has very poor impulse control and easily manipulated. He will lose
 
The seats would be tariffed. Toyota would absolutely pay extra to import the seats. The work they do to install those seats in the US would not be tariffed, nor would the actual Tundra if made in the US. In this case Toyota has the decision on whether they would raise the overall price of the finished Tundra to recoup the extra cost of the seat tariff.

I think you will find most mfgs will raise prices to pass those costs along, but of course that is subject to each industry’s competitive dynamic, consumer price elasticity, etc,

Or they might just decide to make seats in the US,.. that's where Trump wants this to go.
 
The tariff scheme is going to help China tremendously. China should encourage it. Trump has very poor impulse control and easily manipulated. He will lose

These tariffs will do nothing positive for China,.. I think your Trump hatred is just getting the best of you...
 
Or they might just decide to make seats in the US,.. that's where Trump wants this to go.
And if the seats are made here it's very likely at a higher cost and the prices won't go down. Meanwhile anyone that was making the seats in a different country that isn't tariffed that is a competitor will raise prices because they are "market facing". Also they could possibly make them here with a high level of automation, but that's capital intensive and whatever they invested in overseas is now wasted capital, so prices still may not come down. In a limited number of circumstances competitors may hold off increasing prices for a while because they need to gain or regain some market share, but eventually the prices will go up. I'm not against strategic tariffs that are based on unfair competition. What Trump is doing is not that. It's like a whiney 4 year old with a limited understanding of the system and some vague concept of fairness is making the decisions.
 
And if the seats are made here it's very likely at a higher cost and the prices won't go down. Meanwhile anyone that was making the seats in a different country that isn't tariffed that is a competitor will raise prices because they are "market facing". Also they could possibly make them here with a high level of automation, but that's capital intensive and whatever they invested in overseas is now wasted capital, so prices still may not come down. In a limited number of circumstances competitors may hold off increasing prices for a while because they need to gain or regain some market share, but eventually the prices will go up. I'm not against strategic tariffs that are based on unfair competition. What Trump is doing is not that. It's like a whiney 4 year old with a limited understanding of the system and some vague concept of fairness is making the decisions.

Trump is rolling the dice on a long game to rebuild US manufacturing,.. If it works, he'll be a hero, if it doesn't work this country will continue circling the drain...
 
Trump is rolling the dice on a long game to rebuild US manufacturing,.. If it works, he'll be a hero, if it doesn't work this country will continue circling the drain...

It doesn't work like this. There's a reason manufacturing left. Labor costs. So, what's wrong with cheaper labor?'

The world isn't the 1950 world. The Orange Turd, the knucklehead you MAGAs worship is stuck in, hell don't we know what decade or even century his mind is. There are no curtains he can raise and close off the coasts and borders as much as he wants to. We have to be globalists to be and remain an advanced country. We have to interact and interface in a mature and logical manner in international markets.
 
Or they might just decide to make seats in the US,.. that's where Trump wants this to go.
By who? And at what cost? It's as if you think companies import parts and goods despite having equivalent alternatives being manufactured here in the US.

Tariffs will cost us all more.
 
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Trump is rolling the dice on a long game to rebuild US manufacturing,.. If it works, he'll be a hero, if it doesn't work this country will continue circling the drain...
No he's not. He's claiming tariffs will benefit US taxpayers right away by paying for things like child care.

And you're gullible enough to buy it.
 
Or they might just decide to make seats in the US,.. that's where Trump wants this to go.

Goddam. Use your head. We can't make seats or much of anything here. WE HAVE TO TRADE.

Your Orange idiot has this childish obsession, fixation that if the U.S. wants, needs something we don't build or produce, other countries are taking advantage of us for providing for us.

We are trade deficit nation! So, What.

Until the business illiterate, Orange put tariffs on it didn't matter. Now, the shit has hit the fan and there is nothing to be gained. More animosity, distrust and resentment of the United States.

Your fanciful imagery of manufacturing flocking back to the U.S. is fanciful.
 
The tariff scheme is going to help China tremendously. China should encourage it. Trump has very poor impulse control and easily manipulated. He will lose

The best way to lose a trade war is to start one. There is no way out for the Orange Turd. He has to shut it down unilaterally and the wider it's grown the more publicity, and embarrassment will come with it.

The Orange Turd is not a smart man.
 
And that is what he and I were discussing towards what counts as manufactured.


If you build a car in China, ship it to the US, put the glass in it and a Ford badge does that count as "manfactured" since it isn't able to meet safety standards without that? That's the part I don't know.
Every part that is imported is tariffed at it's declared value based on a specific code. With the tariffs on aluminum and steel, Toyota, Subaru, Honda, etc. that decided to move production to the US will all be paying 25% more for the steel and aluminum that they use to build their cars. There is not enough domestic steel made to produce the cars being built here in the US.

The bad part of the tariffs on these products is American companies that depend on cheap steel and aluminum, to be competitive will be out of business. We will lose more jobs that depend on imported products than we will ever return to produce steel.
 
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