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Trump’s GOP has an ugly authoritarian core. A new poll exposes it.

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Jan. 15, 2021 at 9:48 a.m. CST

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In the wake of President Trump’s incitement of a violent insurrectionist assault on our seat of government, a new Post-ABC News poll offers perhaps the most detailed look yet at public attitudes about the attack and the underlying questions it raises about the stability of our democratic future.

The poll contains good news and bad news. The good news is that large majorities are standing up for democracy and the legitimacy of our election, and believe Trump should be held accountable for inciting violent warfare on our political system and, indeed, on our country.
The bad news is that large majorities of Republicans are very much on board with much of what Trump has done.

First, let’s note that truly overwhelming majorities, including among Republicans, condemn the attack itself. That’s great, but deeper in the crosstabs are some pretty dispiriting findings.
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On questions that probe underlying attitudes about Trump’s efforts to undermine democracy, the contrast between the broader public and Republican respondents is stark. Here’s a rundown:
  • By 66 percent to 30 percent, overall Americans say Trump acted irresponsibly in his statements and actions since the election. But Republicans say Trump acted responsibly by 66 percent to 29 percent.
  • By 62 percent to 31 percent, Americans say there’s no solid evidence of the claims of voter fraud that Trump cited to refuse to accept Joe Biden’s victory. But Republicans say there is solid evidence of fraud by 65 percent to 25 percent.
  • 57 percent of Americans say Trump bears a great deal or good amount of responsibility for the assault on the Capitol. But 56 percent of Republicans say Trump bears no responsibility at all, and another 22 percent say he bears just some, totaling 78 percent who largely exonerate him.
  • 52 percent of Americans say Republican leaders went too far in supporting Trump’s efforts to overturn the election. But 51 percent of Republicans say GOP leaders didn’t go far enough, while 27 percent say they got it right, a total of 78 percent who are fully on board or wanted more. Only 16 percent of Republicans say they went too far.
On these questions, independents are far more in sync with the broader public: In this poll, support for what Trump did is largely a Republican phenomenon.
Meanwhile, solid majorities of Americans believe Trump should be charged with a crime for inciting the riot (54 percent) and removed from office (56 percent). But among Republicans, opposition to both is running in the mid-80s, demonstrating extraordinary GOP unity against any form of accountability.

To sum up: Large majorities of Republicans support the effort by GOP leaders to overturn the election (which included lawsuits designed to summarily invalidate millions of votes and an extraordinary effort to scuttle Biden’s electors in Congress) and believe (or say they believe) that those GOP leaders were joining Trump’s efforts to correct a confirmed injustice done to him.
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By the way, this poll also badly complicates a comforting narrative that has emerged in the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol: The idea that the refusal to accept democratic outcomes is largely driven by economic dispossession.
Indeed, a small but real core of respondents who are either college-educated or come from households with incomes of $100,000 and more say there is solid evidence of Trump’s fraud claims, that Trump bears no responsibility for the attack, that he has acted responsibly, and that GOP leaders did not go too far in helping him try to nullify the election.

In our poll’s crosstabs, the percentages of those classes of educated and relatively affluent voters who support those positions vary from the low-to-mid-20s to the low 30s. As Adam Serwer suggests, there was a middle-class strain among the rioters — cops, reactionary business owner-operator types — and that pattern may be reflected more broadly in an educated and middle-class reactionary component to support for overturning hated election outcomes.
Republicans navigate authoritarian currents
It is strange and dispiriting to watch the more ambitious Republicans try to navigate these surging sentiments inside their rank and file.
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While they surely would have cheered if Trump and the party had succeeded in overturning the election (ignore the nonsense that they attempted this only because they were certain it would fail), many Republicans have treated this as something that can be easily harnessed for their own instrumental purposes.

Dan Crenshaw of Texas, for instance, appeared in an authoritarian cosplay video depicting him as a commando in the military war against leftists (Jonathan Chait calls this “authoritarian porn”), and Crenshaw joined the lawsuit to overturn the election. Yet he has also tried to present himself as a pious defender of the constitutional process for counting electors.
Meanwhile, Sens. Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz jockeyed for position as leader of the effort to subvert the election in Congress, and Hawley saluted the rioters before the insurrection. Now both are scrambling to find their way back to the sweet spot, in which they oppose the violence but without retracting their active enabling of the stolen-election fiction that incited it.
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Bubbling underneath all this is the fact that there really is a serious anti-democratic movement afoot among the class of intellectuals who are trying to carve out a purportedly respectable version of post-Trump liberalism.

As Laura Field and Damon Linker demonstrate, this movement is getting darker, more desperate and more radical, and some strains of it appear to be contemplating a fundamental and permanent break with liberal democracy’s most basic core commitments.
How deep all this runs among the GOP electorate, and what it will mean for the future of GOP politics, is hard to say. But it’s hard to look at the above polling and feel optimistic.
 
No, you can't just say, "Whoopsie!" and have everyone forget the last four years. The GOP needs to purge its MAGA elements if it can ever be taken seriously again.

To take back the party Trump will be convicted and barred from future political office,.. MAGAs won't be so much purged as subdued and allowed to suffer a short term depression,.. In the meantime Democrats will be stepping on their dicks trying to walk the congressional middle ground between Republicans and their own extreme left,.. In short time Republicans once again look like a better option...
 
Of course these nuts are authoritarian. They wanted the VP to overturn election results. Doesn’t get more authoritarian than that. That’s Russia/ Venezuela/ Nat Algren type shit.
 
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To take back the party Trump will be convicted and barred from future political office,.. MAGAs won't be so much purged as subdued and allowed to suffer a short term depression,.. In the meantime Democrats will be stepping on their dicks trying to walk the congressional middle ground between Republicans and their own extreme left,.. In short time Republicans once again look like a better option...

Please. MAGAs are part and parcel of the new GOP. Jordan, Boebert, Gaetz... the list goes on. These people fully embraced Trump and all his conspiracy theories and got elected by the same voting base. The GOP has moved so far to the right that Reagan would be ashamed to consort with them. Until the GOP steps off the ledge it will never be the "better option."
 
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Just further proof of the GOP's inevitable slide towards irrelevancy. They'll have a few wins over the next quarter century or so, but they'll become fewer and further apart unless there are wholesale changes to their philosophy, priorities and messaging. The younger generations coming up already view the GOP as a rabid dog best put down.
 
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To take back the party Trump will be convicted and barred from future political office,.. MAGAs won't be so much purged as subdued and allowed to suffer a short term depression,.. In the meantime Democrats will be stepping on their dicks trying to walk the congressional middle ground between Republicans and their own extreme left,.. In short time Republicans once again look like a better option...

JFC

Most of the GOP still pledges fealty to Trump. It’s not Biden vs the far left wing, it’s Decent Americans vs the MAGATs for the foreseeable future. 150 Congressmen voted to overturn the election HOURS AFTER RUNNING FOR THEIR LIVES FROM AN ANGRY MOB!

The GOP is all-in on Trump.
 
Nope,.. They will be cutting Trump loose here very soon,.. It's Trump or the party and you know as well as I do it's always about the party...

Maybe the party hierarchy,, but the majority of the Republican base maintain fealty to Trump and were more than happy to override our constitution and democracy to keep him in office. The majority of Republicans in Congress as well. They need the Trumpkins to be able to win elections.
 
Nope,.. They will be cutting Trump loose here very soon,.. It's Trump or the party and you know as well as I do it's always about the party...

I wish I shared your optimism, but the events of the last two months suggest that optimism is unfounded. I always assumed once the party smelled defeat they would be only too happy to drop him. But instead, the best of them ignored his two month temper tantrum and even tacitly approved it by refusing to acknowledge the defeat. The rest of them actively participated in the tantrum and helped spread lies and conspiracy theories. Enthusiastically.

On January 6th McConnel laid down the gauntlet - choose party or Trump. The majority in the House chose Trump. I don't see why that would change on January 20.
 
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Maybe the party hierarchy,, but the majority of the Republican base maintain fealty to Trump and were more than happy to override our constitution and democracy to keep him in office. The majority of Republicans in Congress as well. They need the Trumpkins to be able to win elections.

Trump will be removed from the conversation by being stripped of the ability to hold elected office,.. He will be further constrained with a never ending stream of state level litigation,.. His followers will be disappointed and depressed in the short term, but down the road they will be presented with a replacement option for consideration,.. The replacement will somewhat Trump like, but vastly more controlled, both personally and by the RNC.
 
On January 6th McConnel laid down the gauntlet - choose party or Trump. The majority in the House chose Trump. I don't see why that would change on January 20.

Trump is a political zombie right now, and the Republican party can't move on until they put a stake in him,.. He can't be allowed to exist with four more years of eligibility...
 
So one person's "getting it right" is another persons "overturning", and that's authoritarian? Nice poll questions created to form the basis of an opinion piece rather than revealing any truth
 
So one person's "getting it right" is another persons "overturning", and that's authoritarian? Nice poll questions created to form the basis of an opinion piece rather than revealing any truth
Trump and his lawyers have had a multitude of opportunities to reveal improprieties and/or fraud and failed to do so. The senators and representatives who are concerned about "getting it right" aren't providing any evidence either. What we do know is that the president that they support was recorded on a phone call telling the Georgia SOS to tamper with the vote tallies. Seems like authoritarianism is an apt description.
 
Notice the GOP begs for unity while asking forgiveness for their latest cluster fcvk.

They are a rudderless party right now and have become beholden to the lunatic fringe. I would say it serves them right for pandering to racism an bigotry for the last 30 years or so, but it is bad for the country when one of the two major parties has no defining policies other than tax cuts for the rich, due to a made up theory that wealth trickles down which has been discredited time and time again: https://www.salon.com/2018/02/12/th...c-to-con-america-for-nearly-40-years_partner/
 
Notice the GOP begs for unity while asking forgiveness for their latest cluster fcvk.

not interested in forgiveness. I think same of the capitol attackers as I do of our national turbulence over the summer.
 
not interested in forgiveness. I think same of the capitol attackers as I do of our national turbulence over the summer.

You and you kind are not worthy of being considered Americans. You can join your sick fvcks in what sewer swamp they infest and drown your sorry ass.

This is the United States of America you stupid fcvk, and anyone attacking it is an enemy. They attacked with intent to destroy the electorate ballots and to attack congressmen and the VP.

Go **** yourself.
 
You and you kind are not worthy of being considered Americans. You can join your sick fvcks in what sewer swamp they infest and drown your sorry ass.

This is the United States of America you stupid fcvk, and anyone attacking it is an enemy. They attacked with intent to destroy the electorate ballots and to attack congressmen and the VP.

Go **** yourself.

I agree with you that attacking the US is a bad thing. This includes lighting fires to citizens’ buildings, killing our police officers, killing other citizens, impeding the ability of people to get home during rush hour, taking over chunks of a city resulting in poor access of emergency personnel to people in need... all of these things are attacks on the US. Congress people, the vp.... are not more special than you. They have no more value than a small business owner in Seattle. There’s no distinction here. They are people. None should be attacked. Ergo, I view them the same.

Further, those that carried out the acts are responsible. Not the GOP for the capitol attacks and not Bernie Sanders for the baseball game, and not Barack Obama for the Dallas police, and frankly not any dnc person who didn’t finance (bailout) looters and rioters. No politician told people to go storm the capitol. Politicians are responsible for turning up the temp. But, people have agency. They are in control of their actions.
 
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You and you kind are not worthy of being considered Americans. You can join your sick fvcks in what sewer swamp they infest and drown your sorry ass.

This is the United States of America you stupid fcvk, and anyone attacking it is an enemy. They attacked with intent to destroy the electorate ballots and to attack congressmen and the VP.

Go **** yourself.

 
I agree with you that attacking the US is a bad thing. This includes lighting fires to citizens’ buildings, killing our police officers, killing other citizens, impeding the ability of people to get home during rush hour, taking over chunks of a city resulting in poor access of emergency personnel to people in need... all of these things are attacks on the US. Congress people, the vp.... are not more special than you. They have no more value than a small business owner in Seattle. There’s no distinction here. They are people. None should be attacked. Ergo, I view them the same.

Further, those that carried out the acts are responsible. Not the GOP for the capitol attacks and not Bernie Sanders for the baseball game, and not Barack Obama for the Dallas police, and frankly not any dnc person who didn’t finance (bailout) looters and rioters. No politician told people to go storm the capitol. Politicians are responsible for turning up the temp. But, people have agency. They are in control of their actions.

Why were tens of thousands there? Incidental? This was a premeditated, programmed project. Lodgings were booked. Internet traffic preceded this event for weeks. The FBI had forwarded intel to Capitol Police for alert.

The Orange Turd, Guliani, Brooks, and others whipped up the crowd, already a cult/Qanon obsessed crowd to march to the Capitol to remedy Pence and the Congress's betrayal.

The video showing the insurgents that chased the officer up the stairs (led by the Iowan with the Qanon shirt), was asking 'where are the ballots?".

Other videos showed insurgents chanting 'hang Mike Pence', and 'where's Mike Pence?'. Well, later remote interviews showed their intentions were to capture and execute him. Pelosi as well.

These are members in the line of Presidential succession.

Videos showed lines of men in full military gear with with hands on shoulder in single file, weaving through crowds. Trained military, or trained by some one with military training.

Seattle is recess in a playschool compared to this.
 
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Why were tens of thousands there? Incidental? This was a premeditated, programmed project. Lodgings were booked. Internet traffic preceded this event for weeks. The FBI had forwarded intel to Capitol Police for alert.

The Orange Turd, Guliani, Brooks, and others whipped up the crowd, already a cult/Qanon obsessed crowd to march to the Capitol to remedy Pence and the Congress's betrayal.

The video showing the insurgents that chased the officer up the stairs (led by the Iowan with the Qanon shirt), was asking 'where are the ballots?".

Other videos showed insurgents chanting 'hang Mike Pence', and 'where's Mike Pence?'. Well, later remote interviews showed their intentions were to capture and execute him. Pelosi as well.

These are members in the line of Presidential succession.

Videos showed lines of men in full military gear with with hands on shoulder in single file, weaving through crowds. Trained military, or trained by some one with military training.

Seattle is recess in a playschool compared to this.

The “capture:execute” language that came from (prosecutor report) was retracted.
 
I know history is ignored in many places and by many people, but let’s juxtapose the Capitol riot/coup attempt with the “Arab Spring” from just 10 years ago. Across Arab nations, rebellions arose in an attempt to overthrow authoritarian rule by those hoping to install more democratic processes and relax religious and secular oppression. Obviously viewed in this country as a good step forward in a region that we are deeply invested in as well as furthering tried and true American ideals of freedom etc. Here we are IN AMERICA, with millions of people supporting a riot that was attempting to keep an authoritarian tyrant in power. Think about that before you claim to be a freedom loving American.
 
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