Trump and Panama Canal
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And the fact that Bonespurs desperately wants to feel real tough, and it's easy to be tough against Panama and Greenland.
He probably heard how much it costs to run through the canal and he wants a cut.
“Nice canal you got there. Would be a shame if something happened to it.”
“Nice canal you got there. Would be a shame if something happened to it.”
Probably has to do with the directions he's getting from his Russian Oligarch buddies and the Panama Papers...
I really believe he thinks his path off the bottom of the presidential rankings list is through territorial expansion and also a Nobel Prize. That’s why we’re seeing this stuff about Greenland, Panama Canal, 51st state Canada, Gulf of America, etc.
I don’t think he’d actually go to war over this stuff, but they seem like an obsession for him right now. He’s desperate for a legacy, and I’m sure the people behind the scenes think it’s a good distraction for him while they do the dirty work here in country.
I don’t think he’d actually go to war over this stuff, but they seem like an obsession for him right now. He’s desperate for a legacy, and I’m sure the people behind the scenes think it’s a good distraction for him while they do the dirty work here in country.
I believe trump has a building and sold the condos to russians for well over value and wouldn't pay any tax.
“Nice canal we built and gave you, after creating your country specifically so we could. Would be nice if you charged us less to use it and didn’t put Chinese operators in charge in case we end up in a war against them where we’d want to use the canal.”
Ah yes, the Chinese operators in charge thing, just like the "good people on both sides".
Do you think in an all out war with China they would just let the Canal stay open?
Trump and his oligarchs friends probably lament over having to pay the fees for moving through the canal and feign sadness for the good old days when the US ran the canal and they could move goods cheaper through it. It really could be a simple as more money for the oligarchs, in fact, I would be shocked if it wasn't.
Trump is a dummy. He reads and writes at a 4th grade level. Intellectually he is a child, and has poor impulse control. Thats the reason for this.
I wouldn’t call it an obsession. Some people were mad at Carter, but nobody cared enough to talk about seizing the canal until Orange Jesus brought it up.
I think in an all out war with China the ability to transit the canal would be at exponentially greater risk if Chicom companies were operating the canal.
In a 'less than all out war' with China I think Chicom companies operating the canal would provide less overt means to sabotage the canal (of the 'oops we drug our anchor over your undersea cable' variety).
I also think that by deliberate actions the canal could be sabotaged by those in charge of maintaining it much more easily than it could be militarily targeted by China.
What's the strategic upside of letting the Chicoms run it?
So transit fees are paid by the oligarchs, but tariffs are paid by the consumer?
Can you explain why transit fees are not ultimately paid by the consumer?
PC is/was being controlled by Chinese companies at both ends.
The Chinese government can and would control access and all shipping movements and pricing for use.
They would then sink their claws into Panama promising them shitty investments in infrastructure but would actually use it to gain a military foothold/bases in our backyard.
It’s not acceptable for the national security interests of the United States so we are taking it back since we built it.
Same with Greenland which China also has its eyes on.
They sued him over back taxes.
Trump Organization accused of tax evasion in Panama: What we know
A hotel owner has accused Trump of evading millions of dollars in taxes in Panama.
www.newsweek.com
They maintain a static price of goods with reduced fees which leads to increased profit for the megalomaniacs. There you go assclown.
Trump is the first isolationist/ imperialist in history.
It all tracks back to the gilded age. While being isolationists back then they were doing stuff like building Panama Canal and annexed Hawaii.
Did you come up with that one? I had seen that referenced a few days ago in a Friedman column:
A snippet:
“Trump is an isolationist-imperialist,” Nahum Barnea, a columnist for the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, remarked to me the other day. He wants all the benefits of imperialism, including your territory and your minerals, without sending any U.S. troops or paying any compensation.
I would call Trump’s foreign policy philosophy not “containment” or “engagement,” but “smash and grab.” Trump aspires to be a geopolitical shoplifter. He wants to stuff his pockets with Greenland, Panama, Canada and Gaza — just grab them off the shelves, without paying — and then run back to his American safe house. Our postwar allies have never seen this America before."
I hadn’t seen that. But I teach history and bounce between these two things all the time.
It came to me last week…
Trump is like a combination of Coolidge (low taxes for wealthy and corporations, pro tariff, pro- isolationism) and Roosevelt (Pro-tariff, pro imperialism especially the canal, big stick policy). Without any of the positives of them.
I didn't realize you taught history. I hope you have integrated appropriate history analogies/sayings into all of your football coachings and strategies.
Every win is a Battle of Trenton. Surprises the hell out of everyone.
Someone should just make up a document that says he now owns Greenland and the PC.
tRump spouts that the PC charges US ships and naval vessels get charged more than other countries ships. I have heard that is not true or if there is some cost difference it is in their rules and not just for the US.
He is wagging the dogs tail trying to deflect away from his losses in court and his tariffs causing problems. And he needs a war to probably use the Alien Enemies Act to deport or lock up people in the US. If we have a war with Panama then every illegal hispanic by default becomes Panamanian which is the kind of logic the Project 2025 people use.
If megalomaniacs can maintain static price of goods, why do prices ever go down?
Why do the megalomaniacs pass their own cost savings onto consumers? Is it out of the goodness of their hearts, or did you leave something out?
I didn't leave anything out, you are just being obtuse. You just can't stop carrying water for the wealthy. Anyway, back to not showing ignored content.
In an " all out war" with China the Panama Cancel would be far down the list of shit to worry about.
People needing blood pressure meds won’t care as much, but the U.S. Navy will care.
Then why do prices ever go down?
Is it the megalomaniacs feeling sorry for consumers, or did you forget the megalomaniacs compete with each other for consumer business, and that drives down prices?
It’s not ‘carrying water for the wealthy’ to explain to you the holes in your economic theories.
Go back to ignoring reality if it makes it easier to hold onto your conspiracy theories.
Pretty good article from 2021
Key Decision Point Coming for the Panama Canal
The Panama Canal sits at the nexus of international political and economic concerns.
www.csis.org
A4: China’s BRI expansion into port-related facilities has stirred alarm for the United States over ambitions seen as endangering the neutrality of the Canal. Of those goods transiting the Canal, over 60 percentoriginate in or end up in U.S. markets, intrinsically tying free and fair Canal access to U.S. national security and economic interests in the country. Accordingly, the Canal is a major commercial asset, acting as gateway between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and a provider of lower shipping costs for U.S. and global trade.
With the expansion of Chinese influence in the waterway, the Canal will likely continue to be a point of tension in U.S.-China relations. China does not operate the Canal, it only manages the two ports on either end, meaning it does not interact or influence allgoods transiting the Canal. However, the increase of Chinese companies’ control over transshipment cargo operations bound for the United States and other countries is a point of contention.
China’s expanded reach in the Panama Canal has slowed recently, mostly due to U.S. pushback and the Covid-19 pandemic. For example, the Panama Ministry of Public Works' plans for the announced fourth bridge over the Canal was scaled back in 2020. In 2018, U.S. and domestic pressure ended China’s plans to construct a large embassy at the mouth of the Canal. In fact, numerousinitiated projects have been canceled, postponed, or scaled back during the current administration of President Laurentino Cortizo. This scaling back of Chinese projects by the Cortizo administration indicates that there not only exists a desire to maintain open relations with the United States, as embodied by Panamanians’ access to “Global Entry international trusted traveler” status for entering the United States, but also an opportunity for the United States to take the lead in the geopolitical competition surrounding the Panama Canal.
