Trump and the Christian Voter
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Show me where Christ sez abortion is this..Christ (Christianity) never addresses this “issue”......It is a man made, man driven religious issue. Chris talks about drunkenness....Christ talks about politics and loyalty....Christ talks about love and taking care of the poor, the homeless and the sick and informed....he never talks about abortion and it’s illegality...never...not once.
I have a feeling Chris and God are sitting around upstairs having a good laugh at how “we Christians in America, particularly, are struggling with abortion....while their other mentioned teaching are great underfunded and often ignored!
His life is antithetical to Christ's teachings. From his infidelity, his constant lying, his lack of humility and empathy to his extreme narcissism. He bases every decision on what is best for himself. His entire response to the pandemic has been antithetical. Jesus would not reply to a question on the death toll of COVID-19 with "It is what it is."
As is yours. As is mine. It's a constant and never ending struggle to sanctify oneself. That is not the point of the authors, nor my support for the man.
Subjective drivel.
That’s what got Christ crossed with Pilate! Asked to defend himself from accusation, Christ responded with basically, “ It is what is is.”
Pilate washed his hands, whistled “ Yankee Doodle dandy” and asked the crowd what to do.
Lol. Okay, boomer. You should actually try reading some of the writings of the early church fathers. A lot of good stuff.
So, it sounds like you agree it would have been ridiculous for Jesus's Great Commission to center on sola scriptura, especially since the Bible wasn't officially canonized until the 4th Century, right?
However, your contempt for the early church ostensibly says Christ made a mistake by giving it authority and instructing it to go forth and make disciples of all nations.
The mistake is yours thinking that Christ ordained the Catholic Church as the arbiter of His will. He ordained the faceless ecclesia to go forth and make disciples of all nations.
I'm guessing Christ never spoke about same-sex marriages either, but that wasn't exactly a contemporary issue of the time, as opposed to the Jewish dilemma of paying taxes to the Roman government.
Do you believe the canonized Bible contains all the teachings and sayings of Jesus? Do you believe it fully encapsulates the whole heart and mind of God?
Suffice it to say then that the gospels silence on the issue of abortion doesn't necessarily mean approval?
And now He dresses them in suits, ties, patent leather shoes, big chauffeur drivers limos, hundreds Of thousands of dollars, huge religious cathedrals and media outlets to spread their style of lies and re-reinterped, translated to their convenience Bibles and “religious studies” to polities the scripture as taught to us by Christ. It is huge business first and foremost. It’s business is the business of the bottom line and not salvation of the masses. Evangelical churches have just followed the lead set by the Catholic Church centuries ago. Catholics need to clean up their sordid sexual deviancies within their organization...and get back to saving the flock too.
No mine's not. Romans 3:23 says we are all sinners. In that, life is a constant struggle in a battle with the world. Those who seek Christ's face in that struggle are not living an antithetical life.
Acts 3:19 deals with repentance for salvation. Trump has said that he has never prayed for forgiveness, therefore, there is no opportunity for repentance.
Uh...I think that was my point... people decide their entire political stance on one issue, poorly informed or conceived as it may be.
I've never once said that Trump is a Christian. His policies, however, are pro Christian and that is the point of the OP and the only real factor when choosing between the two available candidates.
But it’s silence does not allow the Bible or Christ’s teachings to make them sins necessarily, either.
It is simply NOT a religious issue..it is a moral issue ( there’s a difference) and it is a decision to be made by the woman involved and her physician....and in a special circumstance stance perhaps the father involved. But it is not a religious issue, one iota. Churches talking about abortion probably need to lose their Constitutional exemptions.
Wow, you are so arrogant and self-assured. It's no wonder you don't get any smarter.
Jesus talked extensively of His love for His church. Which church do you think he meant? Did He not found just one church? "Catholic" just means universal. While His body of true believers will be comprised of Lutherans, Methodists, and many denominations, there is still but one church. Read the Apostles and Nicene Creed.
My President might be the embodiment of The 7 Deadly Suns! He is one really rotten sumbitch!
In other words, if Charles Manson opposed abortion and gays, evangelicals would vote for him.
The fact you believe this is actually news to anyone speaks to your naivete and misguided sense of self-importance. It also likely means you are in your mid to late 20s.
Grow up, Billy.
Pithy, repetitive quips don't strengthen your arguments. Quite the opposite.
Again, grow up.
So, then you agree that his life is the antithesis of Christianity?
As to his policies, which enacted policy measures exactly are geared to Christians? He plays to Christian sympathies with lies like in today's tweet about the DNC purposefully removing "under God" from the pledge for personal and political gain. Beyond that, he has done nothing.
I understand the complexity and seeming ambiguity of the issue of abortion. My point is the absence of it in canonized scripture doesn't mean it's a non-religious issue.
Moral relativism in secular institutions and religious dogma will always be an area of rigorous debate, and one I'd rather not enter into here.
You don't believe the Church has addressed the issues of sex abuse and those who covered it up?
From the Christian side, Jeremiah 1:5 is the strongest condemnation of abortion.
My main issue with the right and their stance on abortion is that they seem to only care about the child while it's in the womb. After birth, often the child and mother become a burden on society and completely shunned by the same people championing the birth.
Not very well. What is your stance on the celibacy issue in the Catholic Church?
Honestly, indifference.
There are married priests, but in general I understand the merits of why priests should be celibate.
I'm not. It sets up an unnatural choice between serving God or experiencing the earthly blessing of family and marital union. It is now, and always has been, an idea not born out of obedience to God but some other deeply antiGod motivation.
The Roman Catholic Church is not silent about abortion.
In the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" there are 3
pages discussing abortion. It is listed under the 5th
Commandment "You Shall Not Kill".
It considers all human life a creative act of God and
therefore sacred. God is considered the Lord of Life
from conception in the womb until end of life . No one
has the right to destroy an innocent human being.
Bottom Line: Nobody takes human life anymore
seriously than the Roman Catholic Church.
In the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" there are 3
pages discussing abortion. It is listed under the 5th
Commandment "You Shall Not Kill".
It considers all human life a creative act of God and
therefore sacred. God is considered the Lord of Life
from conception in the womb until end of life . No one
has the right to destroy an innocent human being.
Bottom Line: Nobody takes human life anymore
seriously than the Roman Catholic Church.
Neither D or R is a good choice for a Catholic. We are so much more than pro-birth.
I even read it with it's original context in mind. It's highly likely that Paul, a devout Pharisaical Jew, was himself also married.
I've told you a million times we have a double standard we don't care about religion and all that stuff when it comes to Trump because he's a Freemason
In a nutshell, evangelicals embraced Trump because he represented a clear path to defeat of everything that was abhorrent to them. Kind of like 2020, except the shoe is on the other foot.
the shoe would be on the other foot have they picked a real candidate instead of Biden and Harris. Now this just looks like they are throwing in the towel
