Trump Loses 22% Of Indiana Primary Vote To Haley
- Thread starter NoleATL
- Start date
After 17 child births, perhaps.
This Indiana thing is EXACTLY why he can't/won't win in November...you either love Turd or you hate him.
The "haters" will not vote at all next fall or they will aggressively support Biden/RFK.
Both options are bad for the GOP, especially the down ballot Republicans.
The "haters" will not vote at all next fall or they will aggressively support Biden/RFK.
Both options are bad for the GOP, especially the down ballot Republicans.
I've noticed this throughout the primaries after Nikki dropped out. Trump generally only carries about 80% of the vote it seems (based ony own casual observations, no Google).
Biden carries about 85% it seems, suggesting his base support is a little stronger.
Neither is a number to brag about running unopposed, but it's certainly interesting to see in an otherwise lackluster primary.
And yet people think he will win., not only won't win, the GQP is going to get smoked this fall...and deservedly so
It will be a slaughter. Between Trump and abortion, it's going to be bad. Chis and others will be insufferable.
I've said all along the GOP could choose almost anyone else and they'd beat Biden, but they are completely incapable of thinking about how to win a general election.
That said, I firmly believe the Dems would have replaced Biden if they thought anyone but Trump was going to run. As is, they can get him through the general and he can turn it over to his VP in 2025, which would set them up as a formidable incumbent in 2028.
Last edited:
You're probably right, but now not only have they pretty much guaranteed they've lost this election, but they might have killed the whole party
No, that's an extreme. They're not going anywhere.
Trump is an extreme/polarizing personality but his positions aren't extreme. His positions aren't far off of a 90s democrat. Strong border, legal immigration, strong military, abortion= legal, safe and rare. Then he aligns with the GOP on small government (which really just means spend it somewhere else, not spend less).
Those positions were never previously considered extreme, but now are labeled that way. He's just the altogether wrong vehicle for delivering them.
same thing happened in pa
haley got 150,000+ votes despite dropping out 6 weeks prior
haley got 150,000+ votes despite dropping out 6 weeks prior
One can only wonder how many abortions he's funded.
I wouldn’t say they’ve killed the party, but I do think they’ve made it extremely difficult to pivot going forward, they’re oriented very firmly around the far right, and there just aren’t many moderate left.
I really hope you are correct with this prediction.
- Sep 13, 2002
- 98,825
- 206,907
- 113
I mean, Chis has said for many years he’d prefer Trump not run at all - it’s the GOP base that is insufferably stupid by hitching its wagon to that gross, criminal loser.
I'm trying to think of far right ideas the RNC or most Republicans orient themselves to. Here's what I'm thinking so far:
Gun control/no restrictions - I don't see the RNC/Republicans ever advocation for common sense gun laws. Toe that's an alignment with the far right.
#2 I'd have to say abortion. While most than half of Republicans favor safe/legal/rare abortion and something along the lines of a 16 week ban, some do favor TOTAL ban, and nobody in the Republican party pushes back against that. At most they advocate for compromise (Haley and trump for example).
What else? Immigration was the next place my mind went, but no Republicans advocate for no immigration, and most advocate for more legal immigration...after the border is controlled (which is where Dems push back). That's a very moderate view by Republicans. Someone on the far right might advocate for no immigration, but that's not a mainstream idea.
Peripheral issue, not really a campaign issue...IMO this is extremely short sighted by many Republicans, and aligned to the far right: arguing over public restroom use. Transgendered people have used the bathroom in public for YEARS. They chose whichever one they wanted and nobody cared... Today's Rs push for laws around this stuff, and it simply isn't an issue. Perhaps one could argue that it's an issue now because of the pervy boys/men who now declare themselves women for a minute or two to go to the ladies room...but overall it's a non issue.
So really there I've named about 1.5 things where you could argue the RS are aligned with the far right.
For the most part, I think it's a fact that the far right will vote Republican, just as the far left will vote Democrat, but I think the far right (KKK/Proud boys, etc.) are more a stain on the Republican party they'd just as soon not have. Could the same be said about the far left and Dems? I.e. do they view Antifa, BLM, NAMBLA, anti-Israel protestors as a stain they'd just as soon do without? Or do they view them as key constituents?
MAGA and it's Fascist ways is what is insufferable. If it would have gone away as it should have I'd be talking more Hawkeye offensive failures. Projection 101 here.
Who in the GOP would you say is a moderate today? I can’t think of a single one in a leadership role today.
Trump only moderated his abortion views once the backlash hit. That's the case for many republicans. Raised money calling for a total ban and now that it happened in many states they're backtracking.
Republicans are far right on immigration. We have no compromise bill because republicans, not democrats. Reagan and Bush were far left of the current Republican platform on Immigration.
I don't think they would have changed at all they would have walked into that election and lost.
One of the big problems in our democracy is the illusion of choice. Incumbancy is too powerful especially at the top level. So while lots of dems were saying they wanted someone else at the top of the ticket, they got Biden. Why? Well because every Dem with a political future doesn't want to run afoul of the incumbent by running against him. So you could have showed up to the Dem primary and voted against Biden but your choices were poor.
Only incumbent in recent history that saw a legitimate primary challenge against them was Gerald Ford and he's a special case because he wasn't elected president or vice president. . . he just sort of fell into the job. And even then he still won the primary.
Trump had decent competition against him but his cult of personality is just too powerful.
Last edited:
I'm pretty sure NAMBLA isn't viewed by anyone as a key constituent. I heard years ago that they have tried to donate to candidates in the past and every single candidate has sent the money back.
The thing is that Trump's rhetoric ensures the votes of the far right while the Dems can't necessarily count on the far left backing them. Especially since the Israeli's and Palestinians are at it again.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
I think you did a decent job on the policy front. But that is not the main thing that makes Trump extreme. It is his autocratic statements, his disrespect for the norms of the office, his misunderstanding of the limits of presidential power and ultimately his push to overturn a free and fair election.
If it was just the above policies any standard Republican could run and have a halfway decent shot of beating Biden.
Idk, I’m still at least somewhat of the opinion that if Trump hadn’t run again, Biden doesn’t either, or at least faces a more serious primary challenge.
Disagree that Trump had decent competition against him. Haley and Christie were the only two that even tried to campaign against Trump, and Haley only did so out of desperation. The republicans in general seemingly followed the same game plan as 2016 and largely ignored Trump, thinking/hoping his support would collapse.
The trouble is, the people in charge of the GOP are either far-right or are Trump loyalists. No one is willing to cross them for fear of their base, anyone who does gets labeled as a RINO and gets sidelined or forced out.
If republicans ran based on the policy positions above, the GOP wouldn’t be a cult today.
This exactly. If Trump had run on that stuff like a normal candidate (and had treated the office with the respect it deserves while in) and when he lost he conceded and Republicans continued to run on the above platform, no one would have batted an eye and no one would be saying they are batshit crazy. That's why it boogles my mind Rs continue to support him. They would probably win if they had dumped trump immediately and ran on the above platform with a run of the mill R... but instead they embrace all the chaos and fascist bullshit.
If I thought that’s what vaginas looked like, I’d be gay too!
They are clearly too dumb to figure this out. The last 2 elections have clearly told the republicans this, yet, here we are. Running on the same nonsense with the same candidate. Remember that red wave in 2022?
ANTIFA is not a constituency group of any party. They’re anarchists and freely rage against both sides and any cause they see as a threat.
Knock on wood, I think this fall is going to be a blood bath for GOP. They are not aligned with the general voter.
They’ve won the national popular vote once since bush lost in ‘92. The republicans have had a growing demographics problem for 30 years and haven’t addressed it at all.
Not many profiles in courage in the party to go against the extremists
You guys had a choice. You had a choice in 2016 between 15 or so candidates, but you picked the narcissistic, morally bankrupt moron. You guys did it again this year. If this election is insufferable it's on you and all the rest of the lemmings who went off the cliff for the Trump.
Similar threads
