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A week before an election Trump is allowing his base to openly question who gets to be a citizen. The next step is proposing to strip citizenship from Puerto Ricans and the such.
Trumptards are strict constitutionalists....
Trumptards are strict constitutionalists....
"Under the Fourteenth Amendment, citizenship is awarded to children born in the U.S., or in U.S. territories, to parents of immigrants to the country".
Fred Trump's parents were immigrants. Does this mean Trump will be voiding his own citizenship?
BTW, I kind of agree with him here
Why? What "damage" does it do to our country to give them citizenship?
We're in a situation where Social Security and Medicare are due to go belly up in the next decade because we have an aging population....we need as many tax paying citizens that we can get....why reduce that amount further.
I just don't see the problem that is in dire need of correction here.....
How will babies help that situation? They won't work for the next 16 years at least. I don't have a problem with people becoming US citizens if going through the proper channels. I'm just not sure that coming here and giving birth to U.S citizens is something I agree with.
Kind of hit one of our problems on the head here....we don't do long term planning. The disparity between folks over 65 and working age folks get's worse and worse as the years go by....this will still be a problem 16 years from now.
Another problem is that along with this type stuff this admin wants to reduce and make harder LEGAL immigration.
I just got my wife of 26 years a Green Card....it's a long and expensive process. She was a slam dunk....2 kids...1 grown, both American citizens. Married to a citizen for 26 years and it still cost us over $1200 and reams of paperwork.
Just sayin...I don't think folks really realize how what it takes to legally immigrate to the U.S. Basically have to apply through 3 Government agencies....DHS, State Department and USCIS.
I'm good with it. Trump isn't erasing the very wording of the Constitution. I think the jurisdiction clause needs a closer look. I would not have expected that this would be the means by which it happened, but if this triggers a SCOTUS review to settle the matter then so be it.So anyone going to step up and say they are good with this?
Because this to me looks like a president taking the very wording of the constitution and trying to erase it.
I mean this isn't even something that isn't really covered so that the POTUS is going ahead and interpreting it in the way that gives him the most power (which presidents have been doing for a long time now.) This is outright saying the explicit text of the constitution has no effect of law in this country.
Pic of wife holding green card?
Legal or illegal, they are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States if they're on US soil. The only people I can think of off-hand who wouldn't be subject to US law while on US soil would be those with diplomatic immunity. If they have children here, those children are not automatic US citizens per the Constitution. Interestingly, this isn't enforced and many receive US birth certificates and SS numbers.I find Trump despicable, but I like this move, and that “jurisdiction” clause allows this move.
So anyone going to step up and say they are good with this?
Is an illegal not subject to the jurisdiction of our laws while on US soil?...subject to the jurisdiction of our laws.
“Michael Anton, a former national security adviser for Trump, pointed out in July that "there’s a clause in the middle of the amendment that people ignore or they misinterpret – subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
"What they are saying is, if you are born on U.S. soil subject to the jurisdiction of the United States – meaning you’re the child of citizens or the child of legal immigrants, then you are entitled to citizenship,” Anton told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson in July. “If you are here illegally, if you owe allegiance to a foreign nation, if you’re the citizen of a foreign country, that clause does not apply to you.”
Trump plans to sign executive order curbing birthright citizenship: report https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship
They've talked about it on Fox & Friends this morning.over/under on how many times FOX runs a story with out stating its not possible-
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I wasn't aware of the full language of that 14th Amendment. I'm sure somebody will flip out their full language of the 2nd Amendment soon enough... but sigh, as to the subject at hand:
If you're not here legally then your kids that happen to be born here aren't US citizens. That seems fair to me. Not only that, it seems smart.
Lower level consular employees (eg, support staff) have functional immunity rather than full diplomatic immunity. This means they are subject to the jurisdiction of our government for crimes committed while not conducting official business. Yet their children are not guaranteed automatic birthright citizenship.Is an illegal not subject to the jurisdiction of our laws while on US soil?
Is an illegal not subject to the jurisdiction of our laws while on US soil?
So how does this play out if we change the law? If you are born here and grow up here, you could be deported when you are 40 years old to a country you have never been, potentially have no family, and may not speak the native language?
Lower level consular employees (eg, support staff) have functional immunity rather than full diplomatic immunity. This means they are subject to the jurisdiction of our government for crimes committed while not conducting official business. Yet their children are not guaranteed automatic birthright citizenship.
I think there needs to be a clear distinction that children born to a mother who is here legally for whatever reason - vacation, school, etc - are eligible for jus solis, while children born to a mother who is here illegally are not automatically eligible. I see no reason why we should incentivize illegal activity.