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Trump wanted to bomb Mexico and hide

On Nov. 4, 2019, gunmen opened fire on three cars traveling through northern Mexico, killing nine U.S. citizens—an incident apparently related to a surge of violence caused by Mexican drug cartels. In the aftermath of the attack, President Trump announced that his administration would designate certain Mexican drug-trafficking cartels as foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs). Although the administration paused that plan after high-level negotiations with the Mexican government, Trump has made clear that it remains an option.

When Trump announced that his administration would delay moving forward with the FTO designation, he added that “statutorily, we are ready” to declare certain cartels as FTOs. So what new powers does the FTO designation bestow upon the federal government to combat Mexican cartels? There are three areas of the law that would be most affected by this change: criminal prosecutions, immigration and economic sanctions.

As Robert Chesney wrote in 2011, cartels most likely satisfy the three main criteria required to designate a group as a terrorist organization under 8 U.S.C. § 1189. First, the organization must be a foreign organization—a likely nonissue, as the cartels are based in Mexico. Second, the organization must engage “in terrorist activity ... or terrorism ... or retain[] the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism” with terrorism defined to include the use of explosives or firearms to endanger others, kidnapping to compel actions by another, and assassination. Given that cartels regularly engage in kidnapping, execution-style killings, and assassinations of journalists and politicians, they easily surpass this threshold for terrorist activity. Third, this terrorist activity must threaten “the security of United States nationals or the national security of the United States.” And the Nov. 4 attack arguably exemplifies the danger that cartels pose to American citizens, especially those spending time in or residing in Mexico.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-ha...signates-drug-cartels-terrorist-organizations
 
Feb. 8, 2022

Mexico has replaced China as the “dominant source” of fentanyl and synthetic opioids entering the United States, a new government report says.

From 2014 until 2019, most pure fentanyl that U.S. authorities seized came from the People’s Republic of China (PRC), said the report from the Commission on Combating Synthetic Opioid Trafficking.

“Since then, the dominant source of illegally sourced fentanyl has been Mexico,” the report says. “The drug is manufactured in illegal laboratories there using precursors from Asia — mainly the PRC — and is trafficked principally by land into the United States.”

Fentanyl is smuggled across the U.S.-Mexico border in packages, vehicles, and on persons, the report says. Because the drug is so powerful, “It is difficult to interdict given that just a small physical amount of this potent drug is enough to satisfy U.S. demand, making it highly profitable for traffickers and dealers,” the report says.


https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides...r-source-of-fentanyl-entering-u-s-report-says
 
Anyone care to defend this?

Why didn't Trump just take his Sharpie and draw Hurricane Dorian wiping out Mexico??
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It will be seen in the new movie Stupicario, a dramatic crossing of the movies Old Gringo and Sicario. Trump puts the estúpido into muy estúpido. Would Mexico pay for the missiles??
 
No, it's stupid. The cartels aren't doing damage that anything resembling military action would solve. Come up with actual immigration policy and implement it would solve all of our immigration issues.

Bombing people only passes off every other country. Using our military every time there is a problem the State Dept should be equipped to deal with, if we funded it properly, is stupid.

This country needs to quit flexing our muscles and start using our brains. Unfortunately, too many people in this country think flexing muscles is the only sign of greatness. It' a sign of a country that needs to pull it's head out of it's ass.
Immigration isnt the problem. Cartels shipping in endless amounts of dangerous drugs is. We’ve been dealing with it long enough. OD deaths are out of control. The problem is on the other side of the border. Brainpower isn’t fixing anything there.
 
Immigration isnt the problem. Cartels shipping in endless amounts of dangerous drugs is. We’ve been dealing with it long enough. OD deaths are out of control. The problem is on the other side of the border. Brainpower isn’t fixing anything there.

Cut it off in Mexico and it will funnel in from China like it did previously. Your hero's plan was a dumb. We're not surprised you fell right in line.
 
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Yep. Faulty intel.

Are you saying you support Trump's possible actions of bombing the cartels, because Clinton made a mistake and paid for it? Not sure of the relevance of Clinton
 
Are you saying you support Trump's possible actions of bombing the cartels, because Clinton made a mistake and paid for it? Not sure of the relevance of Clinton
I’m not sure what you read in my post that made you think I supported the idea. And the relevance of Clinton is that it’s an example of a time when we actually did fire a missile to blow up a factory inside a sovereign nation.
 
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Clinton certainly F'd that one up
If only we’d had a Disinformation Governance Board to let us know the Clinton administration was lying about the medical manufacturer.

Sudan invited the U.S. to conduct chemical tests at the site for evidence to support its claim that the plant might have been a chemical weapons factory; the U.S. refused the invitation to investigate and did not officially apologize for the attacks.[80] Press coverage indicated that Al-Shifa was not a secure, restricted-access factory, as the U.S. alleged, and American officials later conceded that Al-Shifa manufactured pharmaceutical drugs.[89] Sudan requested a UN investigation of the Al-Shifa plant to verify or disprove the allegations of weapons production; while the proposal was backed by several international organizations, it was opposed by the U.S.[90]
 
I’m not sure what you read in my post that made you think I supported the idea. And the relevance of Clinton is that it’s an example of a time when we actually did fire a missile to blow up a factory inside a sovereign nation.

Got it. Just seemed like one of those "but the other side did it too" posts. Which it kind of was in a way
 
If only we’d had a Disinformation Governance Board to let us know the Clinton administration was lying about the medical manufacturer.

Sudan invited the U.S. to conduct chemical tests at the site for evidence to support its claim that the plant might have been a chemical weapons factory; the U.S. refused the invitation to investigate and did not officially apologize for the attacks.[80] Press coverage indicated that Al-Shifa was not a secure, restricted-access factory, as the U.S. alleged, and American officials later conceded that Al-Shifa manufactured pharmaceutical drugs.[89] Sudan requested a UN investigation of the Al-Shifa plant to verify or disprove the allegations of weapons production; while the proposal was backed by several international organizations, it was opposed by the U.S.[90]

Complete F up, from the top down. Do WMDs next!!
 
I love how you've become a pouty bitch ever since your temp ban. Don't cry sweetheart 💋

You made your bed, now enjoy laying in it.
Pointing out the obvious. Main difference is I’m not going to tag mods, create threads about other posters, cry, hit the report button, etc.
 
Got it. Just seemed like one of those "but the other side did it too" posts. Which it kind of was in a way
Kind of. Except the difference is that Trump merely floated the idea to his advisers to see what they thought. Clinton actually did it.
 
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