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This one is 24 hours late due to the fact I wasn't ready to comment on the big news of the week until I heard from the head man himself. You can add my hot take to the list now :):

Tuesdays (or Wednesdays) with Torbee​

ToryBrecht
Kirk Ferentz
Is the Iowa head coach nearing the end of his Iowa tenure? Oct 21, 2023; Iowa City, Iowa, USA; Iowa Hawkeyes head coach Kirk Ferentz enters Kinnick Stadium before a game against the Minnesota Gophers. Mandatory Credit: Jeffrey Becker-USA TODAY Sports

Twenty-three years ago, almost to the day, I turned to my Badger fan buddy from Madison sitting next to me at Kinnick Stadium – where Wisconsin had just beaten Iowa 13-7 – and told him he’d better enjoy his football wins over Iowa because new Hawkeye basketball coach Steve Alford was soon to dominate Big 10 foes.

At this point the new football coach, the unheralded and deeply unpopular Kirk Ferentz, had posted a 2-18 overall and 1-12 Big 10 record replacing Hall of Famer Hayden Fry. Conventional wisdom at the time was Ferentz would be a certain short-timer, having failed to breathe life back into a moribund football program. Over in Carver, however, hope was high that bright young mind Alford would begin bringing Big 10 Championship trophies back to the hardcourt.

This memory surfaced yesterday while I was watching a beleaguered and clearly under-control-but-miffed Kirk Ferentz address a media scrum yearning for his reaction to son Brian Ferentz being ousted as offensive coordinator as of the end of the season.

Conventional wisdom was woefully wrong back then, of course. After a couple of fevered seasons, Alford flopped. Meantime, Ferentz got football up off the mat, forging a winning bowl season in 2001 followed up by an undefeated Big 10 campaign and Orange Bowl appearance in 2002. Very, very few saw that coming.

I share this story because once again, many are ready to write the ending of the Ferentz story based on speculation and projection. During Tuesday’s media conference, the man himself remained typically stoic and ambivalent about his future, saying it would be evaluated along with every other aspect of the football program only at the conclusion of this season. Of course that’s also when he wanted Brian’s fate to be determined, but interim Iowa Athletic Director Beth Goetz dashed that plan over the weekend.

I don’t know how deeply Kirk Ferentz is wounded by the ignominious dismissal of his under-performing offensive coordinator, though as a father myself, I can’t imagine it’s negligible. That said, he’s also been in the football coaching profession for more than a half-century, so he knows full-well most coaching tenures end with a pink slip.

Frankly, I could see this story have two vastly different endings. And which path Iowa – and Coach Ferentz – go down may be determined at least in part by how these final four Big 10 games go this season.

Over his tenure at Iowa, Ferentz has shown the ability to defy critics, rally the program and achieve unexpectedly good results in the face of adversity. It is one of his greatest attributes, in my opinion. We already mentioned the 2002 turnaround, but the 2004 Big 10 championship run is another great example. That team looked dead in the water after a 44-7 desert trouncing at the hands of Arizona State and a disheartening 30-17 thumping in Ann Arbor left the Hawkeyes 2-2. Adding literal injury to insult, that team also lost every single scholarship running back to ailments. All the cornered Ferentz did that season was reel off seven-straight wins, capture a league title and defeat the defending national champion in the Citrus Bowl.

Fast forward a few years, and once again the “Ferentz has lost it” crowd was grumbling after “fat cats” limped to back-to-back 6-7 and 6-6 records in 2006-07. Modern football had passed Kirk by – he was unwilling or unable to evolve and lead in the new era of college ball, it was said. Then Shonn Greene and a resurgent Hawkeye squad won an Outback Bowl in 2008 followed up by the program’s first BCS-level bowl win since Forest Evashevski roamed the sidelines, defeating Georgia Tech in the 2010 Orange Bowl.

2012 then saw the worst Kirk Ferentz season since 2000, a dispiriting 4-8 (2-6 Big 10) campaign that – of course – renewed the charge that modern football had passed the coach by, he was unwilling or unable to adjust to the new realities of college football, etc., etc.

I bet you remember what happened next – a run of 10 straight bowl seasons highlighted by a second undefeated Big 10 season and Rose Bowl appearance in 2015.

This is why I’m not ready to start shoveling soil on the grave of the Kirk Ferentz coaching tenure at Iowa. Now, at some point, every good run comes to an end. And it will for Kirk, maybe as soon as this coming January. However, as a semi-frequent gambler, I also know looking at past performance can be an indicator of future results.

It would not surprise me in the least if this firing/forced resignation or whatever we are calling it results in a rallying point for this year’s team. Mathematically, Iowa controls its own destiny in the Big 10 West. Win out, they go to Indianapolis. I don’t know about you, but I sure won’t be surprised if a cornered Hawkeye squad runs the table, moribund offense and all. We’ve seen this show before.

On the other hand, maybe the mid-season disruption serves as a distraction, divides the program and adds to dysfunction. That wouldn’t be a shocking outcome either.

It is shaping up to be an era-defining November to remember for the Iowa football program.

Strap in, it’s probably going to get weird. And how it resolves itself is likely to go a long way in determining whether the Ferentz era marches on past 2023 or draws to a close.
 
TL;DR version- Blah blah blah.

You better be ready for more of the same shit you've had for the last 7 years.

Unless offensive recruiting gets better and KF relinquishes control of the offense, it's going to be more of the same.

I'll call this now- Jon Budmyer will be named OC. He will be worse than Brian.

Edit: forgot to say if KF doesn't resign.
 
TL;DR version- Blah blah blah.

You better be ready for more of the same shit you've had for the last 7 years.

Unless offensive recruiting gets better and KF relinquishes control of the offense, it's going to be more of the same.

I'll call this now- Jon Budmyer will be named OC. He will be worse than Brian.

Edit: forgot to say if KF doesn't resign.
So much cynicism!

My glass half-full brain says Kirk brings in fellow old stubborn curmudgeon Paul Chryst and he, Kirk and Phil Parker go HAM on the "new" Big 10, beating everyone 41-3 with a crushing running offense and stifling defense.

They win a Big 10 title, go to CFP and in the pre-game press conference the trio starts shit-talking every pundit and coach that ever called them old and out-of-touch, with special call outs for dickheads like Jim Harbaugh, Colin Cowherd and Peej the Used Car Salesman, just like Michael Jordan at his HOF induction speech.

LFG!
 
TL;DR version- Blah blah blah.

You better be ready for more of the same shit you've had for the last 7 years.

Unless offensive recruiting gets better and KF relinquishes control of the offense, it's going to be more of the same.

I'll call this now- Jon Budmyer will be named OC. He will be worse than Brian.

Edit: forgot to say if KF doesn't resign.
You're fun
 
So much cynicism!

My glass half-full brain says Kirk brings in fellow old stubborn curmudgeon Paul Chryst and he, Kirk and Phil Parker go HAM on the "new" Big 10, beating everyone 41-3 with a crushing running offense and stifling defense.

They win a Big 10 title, go to CFP and in the pre-game press conference the trio starts shit-talking every pundit and coach that ever called them old and out-of-touch, with special call outs for dickheads like Jim Harbaugh, Colin Cowherd and Peej the Used Car Salesman, just like Michael Jordan at his HOF induction speech.

LFG!
Bitch Albom, folx!
 
So much cynicism!

My glass half-full brain says Kirk brings in fellow old stubborn curmudgeon Paul Chryst and he, Kirk and Phil Parker go HAM on the "new" Big 10, beating everyone 41-3 with a crushing running offense and stifling defense.

They win a Big 10 title, go to CFP and in the pre-game press conference the trio starts shit-talking every pundit and coach that ever called them old and out-of-touch, with special call outs for dickheads like Jim Harbaugh, Colin Cowherd and Peej the Used Car Salesman, just like Michael Jordan at his HOF induction speech.

LFG!
Autism Speaks!
 
I think it was a mistake for Goetz to make the decision public with 4 games left, especially since BF is finishing the season. It was already pretty much certain BF wasn't going to make his point quota.

KF did a great job in his presser. He's done a very good job overall as HC at Iowa. We all have blind spots, especially when it comes to family. Unfortunately KF let BF continue a season too long as OC.
 
The post title had me hoping for a Jack Bauer reference. Leaving disappointed
 
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Is there some reason I’m not aware of that David Raih is never mentioned as a candidate to replace Brian?
 
Is there some reason I’m not aware of that David Raih is never mentioned as a candidate to replace Brian?

We all know that Footballs McGee has the spot locked up if he wants it.
 
Northwestern had issues with Pat Fitzgerald, Mich. St. had
issues with Mel Tucker, and Michigan has some issues with
Jim Harbaugh. Those three men brought moral disgrace
to their universities.

I agree with Torbee, that Kirk Ferentz has been a 23 yr.
head coach with the good outweighing the bad. He will
determine in due time his future destiny with Iowa. I
hope he takes the high road and returns in 2024 with
renewed vigor to lead the Hawkeye football program.
 
I think it was a mistake for Goetz to make the decision public with 4 games left, especially since BF is finishing the season. It was already pretty much certain BF wasn't going to make his point quota.

KF did a great job in his presser. He's done a very good job overall as HC at Iowa. We all have blind spots, especially when it comes to family. Unfortunately KF let BF continue a season too long as OC.
I think the timing was brilliant, as it certainly seemed like Kirk thought the call was his as to whether brian was going to be terminated at all. If brian was to go, Kirk seemed to think it was to be part and parcel of his after-the-season review of the program. If Kirk was going to leave if brian was terminated, and brian was going to be terminated anyway, I wouldn’t want to waste three months of the AD not taking calls and feelers in the event Kirk hangs it up, or at the very least, if Kirk was going stick around, get the best OC available before he’s snapped up by another program. This brings it to a head and also minimizes negative recruiting.
 
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I think the timing was brilliant, as it certainly seemed like Kirk thought the call was his as to whether brian was going to be terminated at all. If brian was to go, Kirk seemed to think it was to be part and parcel of his after-the-season review of the program. If Kirk was going to leave if brian was terminated, and brian was going to be terminated anyway, I wouldn’t want to waste three months of the AD taking calls and feelers in the event Kirk hangs it up, or at the very least, if Kirk was going stick around, get the best OC available before he’s snapped up by another program. This brings it to a head and also minimizes negative recruiting.
Ripping off the BandAid is usually the correct call in the end. Postponing the inevitable just brings additional problems.
 
So much cynicism!

My glass half-full brain says Kirk brings in fellow old stubborn curmudgeon Paul Chryst and he, Kirk and Phil Parker go HAM on the "new" Big 10, beating everyone 41-3 with a crushing running offense and stifling defense.

They win a Big 10 title, go to CFP and in the pre-game press conference the trio starts shit-talking every pundit and coach that ever called them old and out-of-touch, with special call outs for dickheads like Jim Harbaugh, Colin Cowherd and Peej the Used Car Salesman, just like Michael Jordan at his HOF induction speech.

LFG!
Yes, I may be cynical, I'm done with this regime. No one has said Parker is out of date, he is widely and universally praised. Chryst wasn't able to recruit and was fired. Guess what KF can't do? He should be fired or encouraged to resign.
 
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I think it was a mistake for Goetz to make the decision public with 4 games left, especially since BF is finishing the season. It was already pretty much certain BF wasn't going to make his point quota.

KF did a great job in his presser. He's done a very good job overall as HC at Iowa. We all have blind spots, especially when it comes to family. Unfortunately KF let BF continue a season too long as OC.
Blind spot? Give me a fvcking break. He was untouchable with Barta as AD and he fvcking knew it. He should have done the right thing and let Brian move on 2 years ago. Kirk is not the saint some of you believe him to be. He put his own selfish ambitions before the program.
 
This one is 24 hours late due to the fact I wasn't ready to comment on the big news of the week until I heard from the head man himself. You can add my hot take to the list now :):

Tuesdays (or Wednesdays) with Torbee​

ToryBrecht
Kirk Ferentz
Is the Iowa head coach nearing the end of his Iowa tenure? Oct 21, 2023; Iowa City, Iowa, USA; Iowa Hawkeyes head coach Kirk Ferentz enters Kinnick Stadium before a game against the Minnesota Gophers. Mandatory Credit: Jeffrey Becker-USA TODAY Sports

Twenty-three years ago, almost to the day, I turned to my Badger fan buddy from Madison sitting next to me at Kinnick Stadium – where Wisconsin had just beaten Iowa 13-7 – and told him he’d better enjoy his football wins over Iowa because new Hawkeye basketball coach Steve Alford was soon to dominate Big 10 foes.

At this point the new football coach, the unheralded and deeply unpopular Kirk Ferentz, had posted a 2-18 overall and 1-12 Big 10 record replacing Hall of Famer Hayden Fry. Conventional wisdom at the time was Ferentz would be a certain short-timer, having failed to breathe life back into a moribund football program. Over in Carver, however, hope was high that bright young mind Alford would begin bringing Big 10 Championship trophies back to the hardcourt.

This memory surfaced yesterday while I was watching a beleaguered and clearly under-control-but-miffed Kirk Ferentz address a media scrum yearning for his reaction to son Brian Ferentz being ousted as offensive coordinator as of the end of the season.

Conventional wisdom was woefully wrong back then, of course. After a couple of fevered seasons, Alford flopped. Meantime, Ferentz got football up off the mat, forging a winning bowl season in 2001 followed up by an undefeated Big 10 campaign and Orange Bowl appearance in 2002. Very, very few saw that coming.

I share this story because once again, many are ready to write the ending of the Ferentz story based on speculation and projection. During Tuesday’s media conference, the man himself remained typically stoic and ambivalent about his future, saying it would be evaluated along with every other aspect of the football program only at the conclusion of this season. Of course that’s also when he wanted Brian’s fate to be determined, but interim Iowa Athletic Director Beth Goetz dashed that plan over the weekend.

I don’t know how deeply Kirk Ferentz is wounded by the ignominious dismissal of his under-performing offensive coordinator, though as a father myself, I can’t imagine it’s negligible. That said, he’s also been in the football coaching profession for more than a half-century, so he knows full-well most coaching tenures end with a pink slip.

Frankly, I could see this story have two vastly different endings. And which path Iowa – and Coach Ferentz – go down may be determined at least in part by how these final four Big 10 games go this season.

Over his tenure at Iowa, Ferentz has shown the ability to defy critics, rally the program and achieve unexpectedly good results in the face of adversity. It is one of his greatest attributes, in my opinion. We already mentioned the 2002 turnaround, but the 2004 Big 10 championship run is another great example. That team looked dead in the water after a 44-7 desert trouncing at the hands of Arizona State and a disheartening 30-17 thumping in Ann Arbor left the Hawkeyes 2-2. Adding literal injury to insult, that team also lost every single scholarship running back to ailments. All the cornered Ferentz did that season was reel off seven-straight wins, capture a league title and defeat the defending national champion in the Citrus Bowl.

Fast forward a few years, and once again the “Ferentz has lost it” crowd was grumbling after “fat cats” limped to back-to-back 6-7 and 6-6 records in 2006-07. Modern football had passed Kirk by – he was unwilling or unable to evolve and lead in the new era of college ball, it was said. Then Shonn Greene and a resurgent Hawkeye squad won an Outback Bowl in 2008 followed up by the program’s first BCS-level bowl win since Forest Evashevski roamed the sidelines, defeating Georgia Tech in the 2010 Orange Bowl.

2012 then saw the worst Kirk Ferentz season since 2000, a dispiriting 4-8 (2-6 Big 10) campaign that – of course – renewed the charge that modern football had passed the coach by, he was unwilling or unable to adjust to the new realities of college football, etc., etc.

I bet you remember what happened next – a run of 10 straight bowl seasons highlighted by a second undefeated Big 10 season and Rose Bowl appearance in 2015.

This is why I’m not ready to start shoveling soil on the grave of the Kirk Ferentz coaching tenure at Iowa. Now, at some point, every good run comes to an end. And it will for Kirk, maybe as soon as this coming January. However, as a semi-frequent gambler, I also know looking at past performance can be an indicator of future results.

It would not surprise me in the least if this firing/forced resignation or whatever we are calling it results in a rallying point for this year’s team. Mathematically, Iowa controls its own destiny in the Big 10 West. Win out, they go to Indianapolis. I don’t know about you, but I sure won’t be surprised if a cornered Hawkeye squad runs the table, moribund offense and all. We’ve seen this show before.

On the other hand, maybe the mid-season disruption serves as a distraction, divides the program and adds to dysfunction. That wouldn’t be a shocking outcome either.

It is shaping up to be an era-defining November to remember for the Iowa football program.

Strap in, it’s probably going to get weird. And how it resolves itself is likely to go a long way in determining whether the Ferentz era marches on past 2023 or draws to a close.
Don't lie. You were too busy catching trout and forgot.
 
I listened to that game while fishing on the Mississippi just south of Prairie du Chien WI, catching a bunch of the best white bass I've ever caught.

I was listening to the WI broadcast team, and I seem to recall this was one of those early Bob Sanders Coming Out Party type games where the announcers marveled at how Sanders was crushing just about every tackle he made.
 
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This one is 24 hours late due to the fact I wasn't ready to comment on the big news of the week until I heard from the head man himself. You can add my hot take to the list now :):

Tuesdays (or Wednesdays) with Torbee​

ToryBrecht
Kirk Ferentz
Is the Iowa head coach nearing the end of his Iowa tenure? Oct 21, 2023; Iowa City, Iowa, USA; Iowa Hawkeyes head coach Kirk Ferentz enters Kinnick Stadium before a game against the Minnesota Gophers. Mandatory Credit: Jeffrey Becker-USA TODAY Sports

Twenty-three years ago, almost to the day, I turned to my Badger fan buddy from Madison sitting next to me at Kinnick Stadium – where Wisconsin had just beaten Iowa 13-7 – and told him he’d better enjoy his football wins over Iowa because new Hawkeye basketball coach Steve Alford was soon to dominate Big 10 foes.

At this point the new football coach, the unheralded and deeply unpopular Kirk Ferentz, had posted a 2-18 overall and 1-12 Big 10 record replacing Hall of Famer Hayden Fry. Conventional wisdom at the time was Ferentz would be a certain short-timer, having failed to breathe life back into a moribund football program. Over in Carver, however, hope was high that bright young mind Alford would begin bringing Big 10 Championship trophies back to the hardcourt.

This memory surfaced yesterday while I was watching a beleaguered and clearly under-control-but-miffed Kirk Ferentz address a media scrum yearning for his reaction to son Brian Ferentz being ousted as offensive coordinator as of the end of the season.

Conventional wisdom was woefully wrong back then, of course. After a couple of fevered seasons, Alford flopped. Meantime, Ferentz got football up off the mat, forging a winning bowl season in 2001 followed up by an undefeated Big 10 campaign and Orange Bowl appearance in 2002. Very, very few saw that coming.

I share this story because once again, many are ready to write the ending of the Ferentz story based on speculation and projection. During Tuesday’s media conference, the man himself remained typically stoic and ambivalent about his future, saying it would be evaluated along with every other aspect of the football program only at the conclusion of this season. Of course that’s also when he wanted Brian’s fate to be determined, but interim Iowa Athletic Director Beth Goetz dashed that plan over the weekend.

I don’t know how deeply Kirk Ferentz is wounded by the ignominious dismissal of his under-performing offensive coordinator, though as a father myself, I can’t imagine it’s negligible. That said, he’s also been in the football coaching profession for more than a half-century, so he knows full-well most coaching tenures end with a pink slip.

Frankly, I could see this story have two vastly different endings. And which path Iowa – and Coach Ferentz – go down may be determined at least in part by how these final four Big 10 games go this season.

Over his tenure at Iowa, Ferentz has shown the ability to defy critics, rally the program and achieve unexpectedly good results in the face of adversity. It is one of his greatest attributes, in my opinion. We already mentioned the 2002 turnaround, but the 2004 Big 10 championship run is another great example. That team looked dead in the water after a 44-7 desert trouncing at the hands of Arizona State and a disheartening 30-17 thumping in Ann Arbor left the Hawkeyes 2-2. Adding literal injury to insult, that team also lost every single scholarship running back to ailments. All the cornered Ferentz did that season was reel off seven-straight wins, capture a league title and defeat the defending national champion in the Citrus Bowl.

Fast forward a few years, and once again the “Ferentz has lost it” crowd was grumbling after “fat cats” limped to back-to-back 6-7 and 6-6 records in 2006-07. Modern football had passed Kirk by – he was unwilling or unable to evolve and lead in the new era of college ball, it was said. Then Shonn Greene and a resurgent Hawkeye squad won an Outback Bowl in 2008 followed up by the program’s first BCS-level bowl win since Forest Evashevski roamed the sidelines, defeating Georgia Tech in the 2010 Orange Bowl.

2012 then saw the worst Kirk Ferentz season since 2000, a dispiriting 4-8 (2-6 Big 10) campaign that – of course – renewed the charge that modern football had passed the coach by, he was unwilling or unable to adjust to the new realities of college football, etc., etc.

I bet you remember what happened next – a run of 10 straight bowl seasons highlighted by a second undefeated Big 10 season and Rose Bowl appearance in 2015.

This is why I’m not ready to start shoveling soil on the grave of the Kirk Ferentz coaching tenure at Iowa. Now, at some point, every good run comes to an end. And it will for Kirk, maybe as soon as this coming January. However, as a semi-frequent gambler, I also know looking at past performance can be an indicator of future results.

It would not surprise me in the least if this firing/forced resignation or whatever we are calling it results in a rallying point for this year’s team. Mathematically, Iowa controls its own destiny in the Big 10 West. Win out, they go to Indianapolis. I don’t know about you, but I sure won’t be surprised if a cornered Hawkeye squad runs the table, moribund offense and all. We’ve seen this show before.

On the other hand, maybe the mid-season disruption serves as a distraction, divides the program and adds to dysfunction. That wouldn’t be a shocking outcome either.

It is shaping up to be an era-defining November to remember for the Iowa football program.

Strap in, it’s probably going to get weird. And how it resolves itself is likely to go a long way in determining whether the Ferentz era marches on past 2023 or draws to a close.
Well written, as usual, bossman.

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