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Tuesdays With Torbee: Autopsy of a screw job

All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical referees, which is what they're doing. And stolen by the fake news Big 10 conference. That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved.

Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal!
 
IMO, it would be great for the rivalry if Iowa just prints the final score as 16-12 in all publications now and forevermore and refuses to officially acknowledge the loss.

That or the tried and true asterisk with footnote.
 
Watched the Sam Houston - UTEP game last night. SH punt returner waved away his teammates and returned a punt 25 yards. No flag. It’s not a real penalty for any official who doesn’t either suck or have bias.
The most interesting aspect of this issue is the complete lack of objection from Minnesota immediately after the play.

Anyone who has watched a Minnesota football game in the past 7 years knows that PJ Fleck is highly animated on the sidelines. He’s never shy about getting on the officials if he feels the calls aren’t going his way.

When the punt was in the air, Fleck sprinted down the sideline like he was a gunner on the coverage team. He positioned himself just a few feet from where DeJean fielded the ball, focused intently on everything DeJean was doing while shouting instructions to his players.

In a matter of seconds, his team’s odds of winning dropped from about 90% to about 5%. And yet he said absolutely nothing to the officials. Not one word that he felt DeJean had made an invalid fair catch signal. He just stood on the sideline with his arms crossed, trying to comprehend yet another incomprehensible loss to Iowa.

If we’re going by the letter of the law, holding could be called on every play. DPI could be called on about 50% of all forward pass plays. There is a certain amount of discretion involved in applying the rules. This wasn’t a black or white issue like stepping out of bounds. When people run, their arms move. That’s basic human physiology. The question should have been whether DeJean was trying to trick the opponents and whether or not they could have reasonably interpreted his arm movements as a fair catch indicator.

No one from Minnesota thought he was signaling for a fair catch. Every single person in the stadium understood that DeJean was going to return that punt.

No one from Minnesota slowed up or relaxed. They kept playing to the whistle. DeJean gained no unfair advantage from waving his arm to communicate with his teammates.
 
The most interesting aspect of this issue is the complete lack of objection from Minnesota immediately after the play.

Anyone who has watched a Minnesota football game in the past 7 years knows that PJ Fleck is highly animated on the sidelines. He’s never shy about getting on the officials if he feels the calls aren’t going his way.

When the punt was in the air, Fleck sprinted down the sideline like he was a gunner on the coverage team. He positioned himself just a few feet from where DeJean fielded the ball, focused intently on everything DeJean was doing while shouting instructions to his players.

In a matter of seconds, his team’s odds of winning dropped from about 90% to about 5%. And yet he said absolutely nothing to the officials. Not one word that he felt DeJean had made an invalid fair catch signal. He just stood on the sideline with his arms crossed, trying to comprehend yet another incomprehensible loss to Iowa.

If we’re going by the letter of the law, holding could be called on every play. DPI could be called on about 50% of all forward pass plays. There is a certain amount of discretion involved in applying the rules. This wasn’t a black or white issue like stepping out of bounds. When people run, their arms move. That’s basic human physiology. The question should have been whether DeJean was trying to trick the opponents and whether or not they could have reasonably interpreted his arm movements as a fair catch indicator.

No one from Minnesota thought he was signaling for a fair catch. Every single person in the stadium understood that DeJean was going to return that punt.

No one from Minnesota slowed up or relaxed. They kept playing to the whistle. DeJean gained no unfair advantage from waving his arm to communicate with his teammates.
More than 70K people watching live - including the entire Minnesota team and coaching staff - knew DeJean intended to return the punt and wasn’t going to signal a fair catch.

It was a ludicrously bad call.
 
More than 70K people watching live - including the entire Minnesota team and coaching staff - knew DeJean intended to return the punt and wasn’t going to signal a fair catch.

It was a ludicrously bad call.
I thought he was going to let it go out of bounds, but I never thought he was signaling for a fair catch. When he scooped it up surrounded by 5 Gophers I was concerned about the possibility of a turnover. That's what made his score so amazing and the fact that it was taken away by a judgement call so maddening
 
I thought he was going to let it go out of bounds, but I never thought he was signaling for a fair catch. When he scooped it up surrounded by 5 Gophers I was concerned about the possibility of a turnover. That's what made his score so amazing and the fact that it was taken away by a judgement call so maddening
Yep, it was going to be an iconic play that would live in Hawkeye football lore in perpetuity, like " the catch ". " I was there when Coop floated like a butterfly to the sideline, directing his own blockers, pointing with his right hand, while using his left like a gyroscope, maintaining balance like a cruise ship in a choppy sea, then spinning, bolting past the Gophers who knew he signaled nothing and did their level best to contain the Odebolt Flash, but alas it was in vain, the Hawks prevailed on the field only to have an unnamed zebra, in a far off galaxy, pull a rarely used and poorly written, out dated rule from dust bin of the NCAA rule book and destroy the day for the loyal Hawk fans who waiting for 4 hours while this exact play was being set in motion..."
 
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To address some poster's questions........If the officials had blown the whistle no one would be complaining as we wouldn't have had the chance to see him return it for a TD and it wouldn't have been so criminally egregious.

That is why the failure to blow the whistle, on the field, matters.
This is exactly correct. The officials on the field (ON THE FIELD, TARHEEL BY BIRTH) did nothing. Criminally egregious is a good description of what happened on that play.
 
The thing you need to understand about Hawkeye fans is they don't ever except a loss. It's nearly always the officials.

They very well could lose out this season and finish 6-6, they will claim they are the best one loss team in the nation.

There's really no point in arguing your point anymore.
*accept. Nice showing of a Nebraska education.
 
When it happened live I thought he called for a fair catch....


Not a Gopher so not really on point, I suppose. ;)
Another point to consider is that the reason DeJean was telling his teammates to stay away from the ball was because he knew he couldn’t get to it in time to catch it in the air and he knew it was going to bounce. You can’t fair catch a punt on the bounce.
 
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