Turns vs Catch and Release
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If Brands keeps getting bonus point machines like Lee that can score and pin consistently from the top position the Hawks will make it back to the top. Nobody better at teaching from neutral and bottom than Brands. Give them some riders and it should be a huge success.
I couldn't agree more with the op submission. The rules of this sport are changing every year. The 4 point NF has changed things dramatically. Using a cheap tilt is a great way to rack up big NF points. By scoring from the top you don't have to give up points to score again. Just the hold. That's what makes catch and release an in-efficient way of scoring.
I would assume Brooks is in the top 2 on the team in NF points and he does it mostly with tilts. He has since he's been at Iowa.
I couldn't agree more with the op submission. The rules of this sport are changing every year. The 4 point NF has changed things dramatically. Using a cheap tilt is a great way to rack up big NF points. By scoring from the top you don't have to give up points to score again. Just the hold. That's what makes catch and release an in-efficient way of scoring.
I would assume Brooks is in the top 2 on the team in NF points and he does it mostly with tilts. He has since he's been at Iowa.
This! With the 4 point near fall every Hawk wrestler must have a tilt in their toolbox. I hope that the Pensylvania pipeline brings more of this into the room and it's culture. I've said it before. If a wrestler doesn't have a tilt in their arsenal they're leaving points on the mat.
In regards to the overall discussion I think performance on the feet is slightly more important insofar as dominating on the feet leads to more opportunities to turn on the mat.
But see, I agree with this.
At the end of the match we will know a person with 14 completed offensive actions for a tech dominated the other person.
But individual points aren't showing "domination", and scoring can't differentiate based on the eventual outcome of the match. A person who will eventually win 2-1 wasn't dominant, but the one-point escape has to be awarded the same.
THIS!
Refs need to keep things moving. Control can definitely lead to stalling, but only because it is allowed to.
I'm guessing you were born RK but go by BK? And if you take your first name and the last of the stata champ mentioned, you have a famous chess player?
NOT a criticism, (and your larger point is still valid) but are you sure you did your ciphering right?
I think the absolute minimum would be 12 moves. What about this scenario?
1st period
Takedown/escape 2-1
Takedown/escape 4-2
Takedown/escape 6-3
Takedown 8-3
2nd period
Escape 9-3
Takedown/escape 11-4
Takedown/escape 13-5
Takedown/escape 15-6
Takedown 17-6
3rd period
Start neutral
Takedown/escape 19-7
Takedown/escape 21-8
Takedown 23-8
Nope. BK never wrestled 1 varsity match as far as I recall.I'm guessing you were born RK but go by BK? And if you take your first name and the last of the stata champ mentioned, you have a famous chess player?
Agreed, plus its far simpler. We don't need to give refs MORE discretion, of which they won't use.
Full, disclosure: I never wrestled one varsity match, myself. But I still enjoyed going full throttle each and every match. (And while Thorn and Gibbons and the like kicked my butt whenever we met in summer tournaments, neither ever pinned me even though I got to learn lighting set ups in a few gyms pretty well.)
Welp - this discussion about who I am started when you stated you were never coached to give away points. I followed up with the Coach Cleff story. I know you never wrestled 1 varsity match - you had the best guy in the state in front of you. I think you were 18-0 every year. I figured you out awhile back when you claimed OR and wrestling and an ORAB.
LOL Best guy in the state in front of me? I must have missed something. (Wrestled 105-119) You must be thinking of someone who was at the weight of the state champ.
But this IS RW I'm talking to? If so, you were always one of the good guys. I'm glad to find you here.
LOL RW?
SW here.
Now, who dafuq was the best guy in the state in front of me?
well fk - all along I was thinking you were SZ. Anyways glad to see you on here too. Cheers buddy.LOL RW?
SW here.
Now, who dafuq was the best guy in the state in front of me?
welp - last I heard he was in the NW - probably Wash (maybe Idaho / Oregon). That was a long time ago - and I did not care enough to ask for more info - it all might be wrong. Potsie? yeah I suppose he reminds me of him (looks and mannerisms).
LOL We started calling him Potsie when Happy Days came out. (SZ and I were in the same classroom since kindergarden.)
Last time I really spoke with anyone from our graduating class was the ten year reunion. That was a weird scene, imo.
I'm really happy to have come across you on this board.
Don't forget if that guy who's getting taken down like a ragdoll gets called for stalling twice or four times...
(under old rules, of course, this would be a four-point tech, but that was changed with the 2015-17 rulebook, after happening only 17 times in just over 17,000 D1 vs. D1 matches in 2014-15)
Hey, SetonHallPirate.. Wondering if you would have any opinion on this topic.
Keep your stinking stalling out of this thread! You have entered a make believe world where every match consists of opponents fighting tooth and nail for the fall/tech. There is No room for reality here.
