Any basement dwellers interested in projecting their projected two deeps? And no I didn't look to see if the topic has already been posted.
Two deeps?
- Thread starter TheOven
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Right now, I would guess:
QB - Gronowski, Sullivan
HB - Moulton, Patterson
X - Vander Zee, Buie
Z - Phillips, Anderson
Slot - Gill, Wetjen
TE - Ostrenga, Ortwerth
LT - Lauck, Dotzler
LG - Stephens, Leighten Jones
C - Logan Jones, Borud
RG - Pieper, Myslinski
RT - Dunker, Krogh
RDE - Hurkett, Merrieweather OR Epenesa
RDT - Pace, Pittman
LDT - Graves, Hawthorne OR Hubert
LDE - Llewellyn, Allen
WILL - Sharar, Twedt
MIKE - Harrell, Montgomery
LEO - Rexroth OR Van Kekerix
LCB - Hall, Watson OR Godfrey
RCB - Lee, Nestor
CASH - Lutmer, Nestor
FS - Nwankpa, Kolarik
SS - Entringer, Lutmer
K - Stevens
P - Dakin, Nissen
LS - Speltz
KOR - Wetjen, Lutmer
PR - Wetjen, Lutmer
H - Dakin, Nissen
QB - Gronowski, Sullivan
HB - Moulton, Patterson
X - Vander Zee, Buie
Z - Phillips, Anderson
Slot - Gill, Wetjen
TE - Ostrenga, Ortwerth
LT - Lauck, Dotzler
LG - Stephens, Leighten Jones
C - Logan Jones, Borud
RG - Pieper, Myslinski
RT - Dunker, Krogh
RDE - Hurkett, Merrieweather OR Epenesa
RDT - Pace, Pittman
LDT - Graves, Hawthorne OR Hubert
LDE - Llewellyn, Allen
WILL - Sharar, Twedt
MIKE - Harrell, Montgomery
LEO - Rexroth OR Van Kekerix
LCB - Hall, Watson OR Godfrey
RCB - Lee, Nestor
CASH - Lutmer, Nestor
FS - Nwankpa, Kolarik
SS - Entringer, Lutmer
K - Stevens
P - Dakin, Nissen
LS - Speltz
KOR - Wetjen, Lutmer
PR - Wetjen, Lutmer
H - Dakin, Nissen
Back 7 on D looks very mediocre. It’s hard not to think the D will continue to take steps back. Front 4 as of right now doesn't look like it has enough depth. Small school transfers are really hit and miss.
Offense is really going to need to take some steps forward. I think there is some hope at OL. Some really solid veterans mixed with some youngsters that have shown some huge upside. RB's should be solid. Really need a couple playmakers to step up at TE/WR.
Offense is really going to need to take some steps forward. I think there is some hope at OL. Some really solid veterans mixed with some youngsters that have shown some huge upside. RB's should be solid. Really need a couple playmakers to step up at TE/WR.
X needs to make big strides this off-season.
It’s really premature to assign mediocrity to the back seven. I think the secondary will be better and the linebackers will be more than solid. Wouldn’t be surprised if one of the redshirt freshman linebackers next year gets significant playing time. Coaches are high on several of the young defensive backs. Hall and Lee improved towards the end of the season. A better pass rush will help our secondary a lot and I think we will have that. Go Hawks. !
Looks like a middle of the road squad on paper. Mostly decent players but also several weak links and unless Epenesa is a bolt of lightning there's nobody close to superstar (caliber of kj, cooper, eppy-1, linderbaum, tory, or wirfs)
Coaching will have to play a huge role in winning games
I think some of the young linebackers may supplant the vets; Weiskopf, Keuter, Buffington, Ries
Hopefully. Not good if rexroth is one of our starters. I think if Kettering returns to fball not a given at lb. Could be moved to DE depending on his weight. .
I think you mean Kueter. I disagree in regards to Rexroth, I think he is equally as good as Fisher who started the last several years.
I think you might see a couple of the true fr o linemen from this last season that redshirted be in the 2 deeps
I was thinking the same. We've seen the vets in limited action and I expect the young guys to come in with move athleticism. Game experience at this level isn't much different between a Sharrar and Weiskopf IMO.
Any of the 4 young guys listed could rise up. I feel like both Ries and Weiskopf are simply football guys. I know little about Buffington.
It's about impossible to project Ben's football future.
Dude is 100% wrestling right now.
He wouldn't have played this year other than maybe special teams but he missed valuable time at practice.
Jonah Pace - Football - Central Michigan University Athletics
Jonah Pace (91) Defensive Lineman - CAREER In four years and 37 games played, has 55 career tackles (30 solo), 12.0 tackles for loss for 48 yards, two pass b...
Yep forgot about his transfer. I'm not sure he'll be starting over Pittman in #55's 4th year but good depth piece.Jonah Pace - Football - Central Michigan University Athletics
Jonah Pace (91) Defensive Lineman - CAREER In four years and 37 games played, has 55 career tackles (30 solo), 12.0 tackles for loss for 48 yards, two pass b...cmuchippewas.com
It will be Pittman's fifth year in the program and unfortunately he hasn't progressed much yet. The beat writers all think that Pace was brought in to start, but we'll see how the competition unfolds. Should be interesting to follow.
Yep, I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if the backups for week 1 are two of the guys that you mentioned, but going into spring camp I imagine some of the more veteran players will get first crack at the backup reps.
He played a lot of snaps in basically a 3 man rotation last year, so I'm not sure I'd say that Bell thinks he hasn't progressed much. I do think he'll start the year opposite the Grave digger, (especially if the two transfers don't get to Iowa until the fall), but both Pace and Hawthorne will get shots at earning rotational spots and possibly subplanting him as a starter. A lot will depend on when they arrive and how quickly they pick up what Bell expects from his down lineman.
I've seen people mention Borud projected in their 2 deeps at G. We know he picked up a visit to the dog house, but did he also get injured? I'm pretty sure he didn't play a snap this season.
We were recruiting Orlando's son earlier in the year but never offered. Went to Wyoming.
Even the all-time great LB's under KF ha e struggled their first season or two as starters. The LB's will be taking a pretty good step back in production. The DB's could take a step forward but they really struggled this last season. The DL has a lot of questions. It is very likely the D takes another step back this year. The D's struggles against top 25 teams is well documented. I think that continues and we likely even see them struggle against some the middle level B1G teams like we saw against some of those teams this last season.
There was a huge dropoff when Pittman saw time. He simply hasn't been anything more than mediocre and his playing time has likely been a result of poor interior depth. The fourth and fifth most snaps by a pure DT were from Hubert and Gaffney, both inexperienced walkons. I think it is unlikely that Pace would have chosen Iowa for his final year if he wasn't going to start. He had several other Power 2 suitors. Also, he will be at Iowa for the spring semester.
He was very slow in coverage in the bowl game. Physically, he appeared overweight.
Pittman played well this year, where do you get this “ hasn’t progressed much yet “ stuff ?
He didn't play particularly well. He had 1 hit and 2 hurries in a total of 121 pass rush attempts for a pathetic 0.9% win rate. For comparison, Graves had a 9.3% win rate in 338 pass rush attempts, Black had 5.0% in 290 pass rush attempts, and Will Hubert was at 4.2% in 25 pass rush attempts. Jonah Pace had a 10.5% win rate in 313 pass rush attempts at CMU. Hawthorne had a 12.7% win rate in 193 pass rush attempts at South Dakota State. Pace and Hawthorne obviously faced weaker competition, but a 0.9% win rate is downright terrible. Furthermore, his win rate in true pass rush sets was literally 0%. He did not win a single rep as a pass rusher when he was allowed to pin his ears back and attack. Pittman was slightly better against the run, but still mediocre. His stop% was 4.8%, compared to 4.5% for Graves and 9.3% for Black. His missed tackle % was very high, at 16.7% (Graves had 12.9%, Black had 5.3%). Lastly, his average depth of tackle was 2.9 yards (Graves had 2.6 yards, Black had 1.6 yards). He also had only 1.5 TFL for a total of 3 yards, no sacks, and 1 pass deflection. He simply didn't get much penetration and he was making tackles after losing ground.
For comparison, Pace had a 7% stop rate, 0.3 yards average depth of tackle, a 12.1% missed tackle rate, 11 TFL for 46 yards, 4 sacks for 30 yards, 2 pass deflections, 6 qb hits, 1 FF, and 1 blocked kick. Hawthorne had a 7.1% stop rate, 1.6 yards average depth of tackle, a 7% missed tackle rate, 5.5 TFL for 36 yards, and 4.5 sacks for 35 yards. Pace's stats closely resemble Jack Heflin's stats during his last season at NIU and Heflin worked out well for Iowa, so the argument that good players can transition from the MAC to the Big Ten can certainly be made.
