Tyler Sash's Mom on CBS news tonight.
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Man, the increase was substantial. I'm really getting concerned about the future of football. It's not good. The NFL rules changes had zero impact.
Are head injuries up, or are reports up? I have post concussion syndrome, have since high school, so I really take concussions seriously. I just think that they're just reported more now than before, which is a ton.
I'm sure that's true but I assume the NFL monitors it very closely based on litigation. Maybe Curt can recall the number but I think head injuries were up maybe 25% or more.
2014-115 concussions
2015-182 " "
in the nfl
A 58% increase, doesn't appear the new rules are helping
2015-182 " "
in the nfl
A 58% increase, doesn't appear the new rules are helping
gotta take the face masks off the helmets. I know it sounds crazy, but it could be the last resort to save the game some time in the future.
Guys.... Everything the NFL has done to date has caused these numbers to increase. Players and coaches are finally educated on how to identify a concussion and the damage it can cause. Not to mention every time a guy "sees stars" he has to have a physical.
There need to be and will be more changes, but it's riddiculous to suggest the new rules and procedures haven't been an improvement
There need to be and will be more changes, but it's riddiculous to suggest the new rules and procedures haven't been an improvement
Something that occurred to me is that everyone who plays takes those hits and not all of them seem to develop problems. Then, I heard James Morris make that point on a Hawkeyes podcast, so I got curious whether some guys had a biological susceptibility to this sort of damage. Short answer is "maybe."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...d9dd06-c49e-11e3-bcec-b71ee10e9bc3_story.html
PS: I wasn't able to hyperlink properly from my phone. If the link doesn't turn out right, someone please post a fixed version.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...d9dd06-c49e-11e3-bcec-b71ee10e9bc3_story.html
PS: I wasn't able to hyperlink properly from my phone. If the link doesn't turn out right, someone please post a fixed version.
A Minnesota high school (Doodle forgets which one...the story was on the news last year) was petitioning the MSHSL to allow them to use soft-shell padding (like Guardian Cap or other brands) on the outside of the helmets. It makes perfect sense. Padding on the inside. Shell. Then padding on the outside. Minus the padding on the outside, what do you get? SUPER-HARD PLASTIC smashing into other SUPER HARD PLASTIC. Like banging two cooking pots together.
What did the MSHSL do, in its infinite wisdom? Why naturally they told the school under no circumstances could that be worn in a game, and even threatened the team with forfeiture of their season if they pressed the matter further. Makes perfect sense.
Soft-shells could really help reduce the force of impact, and this may indeed be the way of the future. If hard plastic shells are the answer to impact resistance, then why isn't amateur boxing headgear designed that way? And think of all the other ancillary injuries and ailments that result from hard plastic helmets being in use...like QBs who injure their hands on follow-through after throwing and hitting a helmet, for example. Soft-shells wouldn't eliminate all of these "extra-curricular" issues....but it sure seems on the surface like it could conceivably reduce them.
Concussions are a real problem, and they have the REAL prospect of ending the game of football as we know it. So it's maddening when there are innovative methods that could be tried, and instead they are squashed in favor of the status quo for no explainable reason.
I have been saying this for a while...they wont tackle with their facemask or helmet anymore if they will break their nose...give them a spongy, absorbant helmet with no face mask or maybe just one bar to protect nose...
Don't recall where I read this but the look seams to turn players off and take away some of the macho look. Player in that article rejected the idea unanimously. But...... that was some time ago and my guess is this will come.
That might reduce it a little, but it's not a solution. The lawyers will probably succeed in killing this industry like they have others.
Interesting to hear people blame lawyers for killing the game. Not the concussions or the people in charge. Lawyers
So does better recognition of symptoms and a stressed emphasis on reporting play a part to the increase in the short term? Will it be a situation where over the course of say 5 years from the point of emphasis and the better education that the true impact might be seen?
There is a new helmet being developed. It is called VICIS. It will make a huge splash when it comes out. It is a $1500 helmet but it is similar to what you are talking about here. Check it out on YouTube. Riddell won't like this.
Everyone blames the NFL, but how does anyone know people aren't getting CTE when they play high school or college football? We don't until they're dead and most people die after college.
That being said-- EVERYONE knows that repeated blows to the head are not healthy. Just look at Ali. If people want to take that well known risk then why should we hold the NFL accountable at all? Play on if you so choose.
That being said-- EVERYONE knows that repeated blows to the head are not healthy. Just look at Ali. If people want to take that well known risk then why should we hold the NFL accountable at all? Play on if you so choose.
Ol' Doodle just Googled it. Vicis Zero1. Very interesting indeed. Should be fun seeing how it performs in a real-world environment.
Or not and just hold the players accountable because they know full well of the risks playing sports, any sports. Football is a physically demanding game with hard hits-- everyone knows it now, everyone knew it 30 years ago.
There was a lineman in the 90's who played for the 49ers. He had this odd looking shell layer covering the normal helmet. Anyone know who I'm referring to? I was pretty young at the time so I really didn't pay attention to who it was exactly....
OK, I didn't think I'd find it but google is good.
Steve Wallace was his name, and apparently Riddell squashed their own experiment.
Steve Wallace was his name, and apparently Riddell squashed their own experiment.
Her son had issues before he made it to the NFL. Personally if I had a son/daughter pass away (which is probably the most tragic event a person could go through) I sure would avoid media for a long time.
What were his issues? He and Tyler Nielsen lived right next to me in Hillcrest. He seemed like a normal guy. Liked playing X Box and going downtown to ETC. We'd chat football all the time when doors were open.
I have wondered about this very thing for years now. How can this not help? Is it not used because it doesn't look cool enough?
People know there are risks in everything. So if you don't like the risk then don't do it. But Noooo. Lawyers will sue everyone and then we have no choice in the matter. And the lawyers get richer.
The new rules are also designed to better diagnose. It's way too early to draw the conclusion you make above.
The number of diagnosed concussions are up, but we don't know if actual concussions are up.
ETC is one issue.. kidding aside, it went ETC to Slippery Pete's? to Fieldhouse right?
I'm pretty sure the NFL is moving in the direction of going to similar uniforms as the women's football league with the lacrosse type equipment. They want more women viewers...and that should do it. Cam Newton running around in a bikini is a huge draw. I can't stop watching that women's football league waiting for a wardrobe malfunction or someone to grab in the right areas. I've seen boob before. It's the best of both worlds really...it's part football, part strip show. I'm constantly throwing dollars at the TV.
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