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U.S. Pressing Tough Demands in Revised Deal for Ukraine’s Minerals

Dems should openly say they'll kill any agreement when back in power and give Ukraine back what is theirs.

Doing stuff like that would make it just that much harder to get back in power.

Dems are better off just doing nothing and waiting for it to cycle back around to their turn. Only thing that could screw that up is doing something stupid like you proposed.
 
I think most Americans support Ukraine over Russia.

I think that most Americans really don’t give a shit.

I am around thousands of people a day. Over hear bits and pieces of many conversations. Not something anyone is talking about.

Willing to bet that most Americans are not even sure if the war is still going on or not.
 
I would disagree.

Promise ya if the news broke the Russia has taken over Ukraine right now…there would be 737 threads started on the subject on this forum.

The rest of the nation would be like, oh how sad…and then move on to ordering their next drink or flipping the channel to Real Housewives of Ames.
 
Promise ya if the news broke the Russia has taken over Ukraine right now…there would be 737 threads started on the subject on this forum.

The rest of the nation would be like, oh how sad…and then move on to ordering their next drink or flipping the channel to Real Housewives of Ames.
We hang around in different circles. That's okay.
 
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The Trump administration wants revenues from Ukraine’s natural resources, according to a draft obtained by The New York Times, with no security guarantee in exchange.

I’ll take Rubio’s words over The NY Times. Biden has given Ukraine, a country viewed as being corrupt by the US, 177 billion dollars for a proxy war that doesn’t end with Ukraine winning. Why is it deplorable for the US to want access to the minerals as some sort of bargaining chip in return? You just want to continue to give billions to Ukraine while even Zelensky says half of it he has no idea where it went? There is no accounting for this money and we have continued to just hand it over requiring no records of where it is going or how it is being spent.

 
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Oh, please. I think Rubio is being a little disingenuous about the timing/chronology of events here and then cherry picking the parts to make them seem to align with the points he’s trying to make.

I suspect the more obvious/simple explanation is that this agreement unwound after Trump came out clearly favoring Russia/Putin in these “negotiations” (that don’t even include Ukraine/Zelensky) and then Z called him out. This of course pissed off Trump who then changes his position and then all the minions have to scramble to realign with wherever Trump’s position is now.

Rubio and the others are just mouthpieces trying to put a better, more “pro-Trump” spin on these events.
 
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