University of Iowa Dumping Sports
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And of course, these cuts in sports will have to follow gender guide lines, I am sure. These are interesting times.
Funny you mention hockey. This is the first move that ever made me think hockey might be possible. Clearing these out, 3 men's sports and 1 women's may make space when the cash starts flowing again.
Agreed that you could care less about jocks, as you seem to care about them a lot. I was going to post some of your posts from the "Sports Implosion" thread but I decided against it. Here is how I understand your reasoning:
- The primary mission of universities is to educate.
- Universities have many departments, including athletics.
- The athletics departments have become too important.
- Athletics departments have too many students who are not academically qualified to fulfill the primary mission of the university.
- Students who are not academically qualified to fulfill the primary mission of the university should not be admitted to the university.
- The pandemic has seemingly provided a means to destroy pathways to admission for academically unqualified athletes.
- Destroying that pathway, as a consequence, destroys athletic scholarship opportunities for academically qualified athletes.
- Destruction of athletic scholarship opportunities for academically qualified athletes is okay because qualified athletes are rich privileged people who don't need scholarships.
Here is my reasoning:
- The primary mission of universities is to educate.
- Universities have many departments, including athletics.
- The athletics departments are important for many reasons. One reason is that they provide education opportunities, often times to kids who could not otherwise afford it or gain admission to that university.
- Athletics departments have students who would not otherwise be admitted because of academic or financial limitations.
- You claim many students "could whoop . . . [you] in 20 different sports but . . . don't have the mental acumen to be students."
- Your apparent tutoring of the dumbest and least motivated athletes notwithstanding, many students who would not otherwise be admitted because of academic or financial limitations actually do have the acumen to be students if given the opportunity.
- Those students go on to obtain a college degree at no cost to the state of Iowa or the taxpayers, and better themselves and society.
- The pandemic poses a threat of destruction of pathways to admission for academically qualified athletes students from poor families and academically unqualified athletes (who might also be poor).
- Destroying the pathway for academically unqualified (for admission) athletes, as a consequence, destroys athletic scholarship opportunities for academically qualified athletes, many of whom could not attend said university for financial reasons. Destroying the pathway for academically unqualified (for admission) athletes, also prevents many students who actually do have the acumen to be students, from graduating with a degree, bettering themselves and society. In turn, most "non-revenue" sports will be cut. All "non-revenue" would be cut but for title IX.
- Cheering for the preceding bullet point is cutting off your nose to spite your face. While some scholarship athletes do not take education seriously, many do. Wanting to kill the golden goose because 100% of the eggs do not hatch erudite goslings is petty, short sighted, and moronic.
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So many dumb comments here. These tennis kids are rich so they will be fine. What the F. Tennis and guessing swimming and gymnastics split the scholarships. I believe tennis maybe gets 6 scholarships split among 9-10 maybe even 11 guys. The top player if he’s really good might get a full ride. The rest maybe get a half scholarship and maybe get some academic money as well. So the majority of the team is actually paying something. These are kids that wouldn’t be at the U of I otherwise. It’s a win win for everyone. Or was. Big time D1 sports (power 5) has lost their way. It’s a never ending arms race with no end in sight. And yes, I played 2 years of tennis in college. It’s looking like FB and BB could be the only sports at some schools in the near future. That sucks.
I actually thought the same thing. Maybe 7-10 years from now when the cash is flowing again. Hockey would be close to revenue neutral, so when adding it's not a bad sport to add.
I agree. I think virtual learning will become the future. Eventually I see it displacing many teachers. Most subjects can have a lesson recorded and remain relevant for years. Millions could all learn from the same teacher.
You cannot replace the social aspect of college. Just as much learning happens outside the classroom as inside.
Bernie wants to preserve the traditional system. But I see virtual learning as far less expensive and the way to actually achieve free college.
Says someone who has never looked at the rosters.
I think they're still technically good but I'm pretty sure there's only a handful of men's gymnastics programs. I always thought if a sport got cut, it would be the first to go
Co-Ed hockey? You gotta replace the women’s scholars with women.
Should football count against the scholarship numbers? It really skews things when cuts are made and/or you examine adding sports.
Iowa...you don’t write the law. Life is tough all over. Maybe go back to one platoon, limited substitution days of the 50’s and early 60’s.
Won the NCAA. Swimming had an Olympic champ. Something happened with college swimming, not sure just when, but schools that formerly didn't have it or did not emphasize it then started it or emphasized it. Harder then for schools like Iowa.
With gender equity requirements, women’s swimming was added many places.
Because 40 to over 50 percent of their students play sports. Without spirts they are not going there and paying that tuition.
I think the percentage is probably closer to 30%. And of that population you feel 100% would not attend? I find that hard to believe. Eliminate d3 sports and their sport budget goes away too. While it’s sad if sports are greatly reduced or eliminated at the d3 level but I question it’s as dire as you predict.
When you removed sports...which hasn’t happened at Iowa, both sexes will be affected along certain predetermined lines..,that is my point.m
so you want to force people to like education over sports? Who the **** are you to make this decision?
It's no force. It's the mission of a, wait for it, academic institution.
the academic institutions were created by taxpayers and are taxpayer funded and the citizens can decide for themselves what parts of the mission they prioritize.
they are no rules that prevent 70,000 people from showing up to watch a chemistry experiment. Shove the bow tie up your ass.
Yes there is...it’s called the Fire Code.,
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