His contract was a punching bag a few years back when he was like top five paid in the country. Salaries have really exploded lately, but those are still some crazy dollars paid out for some of those terms in that deal.
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His contract was a punching bag a few years back when he was like top five paid in the country. Salaries have really exploded lately, but those are still some crazy dollars paid out for some of those terms in that deal.
You should cheer for Miami. I don't think they mind a bag man or 2. If you want a national championship at any cost you have issues.
BTW, if you actually looked at other programs around the nation you would see that every one of them have up and down seasons (granted, there are a few elite programs where 2 or 3 losses are down years, but not many of those around) ... fans like you cannot figure out that the other team Iowa is playing is actually trying to win the game too. Pathetic, entitled, disrespectful brats is what those type of fans are to me.
This is a young team. Last year with this group Iowa lost 5 times but 4 of those were to teams that finished with 10 wins or more and many players were in their first year playing. I expect a 11-1 or 10-2 type year this year.
In any case, if he leaves the next coach will have a full cupboard. In addition, paying at this level and the stability we have offered to coaches here make this an attractive job. Which makes this a good contract for Iowa ultimately.
So we're, you're talking about this. Nice to know but it won't change a damm thing. It will only change when he steps down during the first part of a season so his son can take over for the remainder of the year.
I think what they're really trying to say is that Iowa isn't fickle and will remain loyal to a proven coach through good times and bad. And they're willing to prove that loyalty with their pocketbook. I understand it's unacceptable to have that approach in regard to college football coaches, at least through the eyes of idiots, but plenty of cautionary tales are out there as a warning.
-Nebraska is one of the worst programs in the conference after firing a guy that won nine games every year.
-Iowa State was more stable than ever and had their finest season under Dan MacCarney and has never returned to that level of consistency since.
-Texas forced Mack Brown to resign and is 31-28 since.
-Nebraska is one of the worst programs in the conference after firing a guy that won nine games every year.
-Iowa State was more stable than ever and had their finest season under Dan MacCarney and has never returned to that level of consistency since.
-Texas forced Mack Brown to resign and is 31-28 since.
" I bet 90% of the starters on this team get drafted eventually " put me down as one who wants to take this bet ! Hesse, Hockaday, Brincks and Gervase won't be drafted, so that shoots your 90% in the a$$.
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Nearly every CFB coach worth their salt has at least $1.0M+ incentives built into their contracts. This is not unusual at all.
I think my opinion of Kirk's contract has changed over time. I see some of the sh&t happening at other programs (coaching turnover, recruiting violations, etc.) and I think my appreciation for Kirk and how he runs the program helps even out the wins and losses on the field. I respect Kirk as a human being. And I respect the quality of individuals Kirk and staff bring into the program. Absolutely I would love us to see us in the Big 10 title game ... but bigger picture ... Kirk has done it the right way.
I am generally in the same boat. The "loudest" I've been was after that disaster of a 2014 season. Getting beat by Nebraska (That's Football) and then following it with the single worst bowl game I've ever seen the Hawks play against Tennessee. But of course along came 2015 and it seems like recruiting has picked up nicely in the last couple of years, and here we are in a position to be more of a 8 to 9 win program instead of a 7 to 8 win program. I realize some will mock that difference, but go as teams like ISU if they'd take perennial 8-4 records?
I've definitely had my 'it's time for a change' moments ... One thing I will say about Kirk is we are "steady." Look at schools like North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Minnesota ... Illinois, Rutgers ... and many, many more) ... Schools that would like to be in "our shoes." ...
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I've definitely had my 'it's time for a change' moments ... One thing I will say about Kirk is we are "steady." Look at schools like North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Minnesota ... Illinois, Rutgers ... and many, many more) ... Schools that would like to be "our shoes." ...
For sure.
I also meant to post this up above and forgot... but when Thomas Johnston was being recruited to play LB at Iowa, I learned a lot about how KF and his staff recruit. I wasn't there for his unofficial visit but heard all about it from a friend. Same for the official weekend visit. This was eye opening to me to hear about how much KF cares about the right fit and being honest with the recruits.
Ill take the Nebby job- I can lose 5 games in a row for 5 Million dollars. Or Lovie's job in which I win 20% of my games....does Illinois attendance even pay for his salary?
I am not a huge fan of his contract. That being said KF is 17th now on the pay list and in 2017 Iowa was 23rd in revenue. Also, since 2000 Penn St is the 20th most winning team in football at 144-82 by winning percentage. Iowa is 145-88. Is it really a bad contract?
https://www.si.com/college-football...mbo-fisher-highest-paid-football-coaches-2018
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriss...e-footballs-most-valuable-teams/#73df30da6c64
https://247sports.com/ContentGaller...st-programs-since-2000-113916135/#113916135_1
https://www.si.com/college-football...mbo-fisher-highest-paid-football-coaches-2018
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriss...e-footballs-most-valuable-teams/#73df30da6c64
https://247sports.com/ContentGaller...st-programs-since-2000-113916135/#113916135_1
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The number of wins shows a certain amount of recruiting and coaching proficiency that can be used to determine a performance bonus (while we still consider the players as student athletes).
I am not sure what the issue with this is.Why would this be considered a bad contract? And bad or the worst for who? What do you consider the best kind of contract?
I am not sure what the issue with this is.Why would this be considered a bad contract? And bad or the worst for who? What do you consider the best kind of contract?
That's awesome to hear re: how much Kirk cares and ensuring it's the right fit for both parties. Too many coaches don't care enough about off-the-field antics as long as the player can produce on the field. I admire Kirk and his staff for their philosophy.
Yeah, and it is really a shame that Thomas chose to play at UAB (so he could be with his older brother Tyler) because I think Iowa has a need for some LBs in a year's time.
In a nutshell, Kirk told Thomas he wanted him to be completely comfortable with his position coach since they'd be working together for the next 4+ years and he didn't want Thomas to be walking into the building each day dreading the interactions with his position coach. He said that if there was another school out there where Thomas would feel more comfortable, Kirk would understand and that would be the right choice to make. Just hearing these stories from others who were there (and these people know virtually nothing about recruiting to be honest) you get a feel for Kirk's demeanor and what he values. It might not be the best approach for all kids, and admittedly there's not a ton of rah-rah to him, but if I had a son that was able to play football at the P5 level, I can see why parents love Kirk so much.
I also heard some of the things other schools did (cough, Arkansas) with their in-home visits and that's frankly why Thomas and his family ruled out Arkansas in their final choices.
I'll admit, I'm pretty happy with the State of the Program right now. Character, competitiveness, recruiting, offense and defensive schemes - the team looks well coached and prepared.
I'd like to see the list of schools that change coaches ever 4 or 5 years, and finally find somebody that lifts the program to "the next level" and sustains it. Gotta be a short list.
I'd like to see the list of schools that change coaches ever 4 or 5 years, and finally find somebody that lifts the program to "the next level" and sustains it. Gotta be a short list.
It is a great job. I’ve said that over and over. I’d love to see an aggressive coach with a strong personality come in and push us to a level where we aren’t afraid of anyone. Even if the record isn’t any better. I want a different swagger and style so you never know what ti expect and it’s exciting again
SB Nation also thinks Ferentz has one of the worst contracts in FBS, mostly due to his incredibly large buyout
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/10/3/17933370/college-coach-buyouts-2018-ranking
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/10/3/17933370/college-coach-buyouts-2018-ranking
I've read your posts and just figured this guy isn't satisfied with Ferentz' W-L record, fine. But that's not it. You just don't like Kirk Ferentz. Go root for that guy with swagger across the river.
It’s hard to argue. He’s pretty much good for 7-9 wins every year. What a great deal for Capn Kirk and his coaches. It’s the best job in college football. No pressure and you Iowa fans eat it up. Win a few in the B1G and a trophy game or two and all is well until the next year. Rinse and repeat. At least Minnesota and Nebraska are swinging for the fences. It’s heads down and thumbs up in Iowa City.
How is that fence swinging going for those 2?
They should have written the contract the other way around. Give him $5.3 million, but require penalties of $500k for not reaching him 8 wins and $100k for not making a bowl game.
There are fans that would take great pride in knowing he had to pay “us” back for failing.
There are fans that would take great pride in knowing he had to pay “us” back for failing.
So, a few Husker alums will have to sell a few extra sheep the next few years to compensate. I'd add corn & soybeans to the list, but their prices are down.
Thanks for sharing. I appreciate the insight. Love stories like this one ... Cheers!
Yep, and less than what, 3-4 Big Ten titles? I believe they were all shared with someone else, too, correct? And two sniffs and national title status....damn. Not a bad contract for doing practically nothing.
Go Hawks.
Honestly, I never understand fans getting upset over Iowa giving KF this contract from the financial standpoint. Length and extensions, sure, but how much we're paying him?
Let's all agree that Iowa can easily afford what they are paying KF right now, right? So that said...
If KF was making 1M or 2M a year, would anyone who doesn't like his contract still be upset with his results? And do you think if he was making far less that Barta would have fired him after say 2012, and then hire some big name coach for big money?
I truly would like to understand why KF making 5M or 5K is an issue for fans when it doesn't affect us one bit. Barta isn't keeping KF just because it's too expensive not to, so I'm curious as to what alternative people have in mind when they complain we pay him too much for the results he produces. I guess if they are delusional enough to think we can lure Nick Saban over for 10M then good for them...
Let's all agree that Iowa can easily afford what they are paying KF right now, right? So that said...
If KF was making 1M or 2M a year, would anyone who doesn't like his contract still be upset with his results? And do you think if he was making far less that Barta would have fired him after say 2012, and then hire some big name coach for big money?
I truly would like to understand why KF making 5M or 5K is an issue for fans when it doesn't affect us one bit. Barta isn't keeping KF just because it's too expensive not to, so I'm curious as to what alternative people have in mind when they complain we pay him too much for the results he produces. I guess if they are delusional enough to think we can lure Nick Saban over for 10M then good for them...
Sure - 10 schools have won NC's during his 20 year tenure, and only 4 schools have won more B1G championships during the period. Lots of coaches doing practically nothing I guess.
I lied...we have 2 Big Ten Titles...shared with OSU and Michigan....last one was in 2004. A lot of schools have also had multiple coaching changes in that time, if our guy is doing something so right, where are the banners? I get it, he runs a clean program and donates a lot of money to fantastic causes. But shit, for incentives like the ones he's receiving, I just wish the Outback Bowl wasn't our hopeful destination every year. I'm not asking to be a perennial powerhouse, but at least can we go hang out in Pasadena, occasionally? Even if its not a playoff destination.
I'm definitely not 100% supportive of KF, I get frustrated at a lot of decision making and results when we lose easily winnable games.
But similar to my previous post, would you still feel this way if he was making $1M a year and this was his 20th season?
Lots of schools have had multiple coaching changes, and it hasn't accomplished much. Michigan's last B1G championship was the one with Iowa in 2004. Where has it been remotely proven that changing coaches accomplishes something. Most programs stay right where they are or regress.
Active coaches in the Big Ten with Big Ten Titles
1 - Mark Dantonio (3)
2(T) - Kirk Ferentz (2)
2(T) - Urban Meyer (2)
All Time notes:
- 12th (T) - Among the 12 coaches with 3 wins: Hayden, Alvarez, Bielema
- Kirk and Urban are 2 of 11 with 2 Big Ten Championship wins.
I think all those guys could be drafted in later rounds. Hesse in particular is a good OLB prospect in a 3-4. I also don’t think many teams will make the mistake of last year regarding Iowa LBs. Josey and Ben are making them look foolish.
Ya, wow, softball contract, playing weak b1g west schedule, easy marks to hit.
Time to apply some a amazon principles and exceed customer/fan expectations and lower da prices.
How many coaches are the clowns paying this year?
