USA Today: Ferentz contract one of 5 worst in CF

[H4wkfan4life]

Active coaches in the Big Ten with Big Ten Titles
1 - Mark Dantonio (3)
2(T) - Kirk Ferentz (2)
2(T) - Urban Meyer (2)

which one of them was coaching pedd state a couple years ago?
and how many coaches are still in the b1g that were around when we last won/split championship?

I don't mind KF or his salary, but the past decade he hasn't really done much. Unless you want to count 2015 when we never even beat any really good teams. He needs to step his game up, which he appears to be doing.

1 top 25 in the last 8 years doesn't do much for me personally.

 

[BCRoss89]

which one of them was coaching pedd state a couple years ago?
and how many coaches are still in the b1g that were around when we last won/split championship?

I don't mind KF or his salary, but the past decade he hasn't really done much. Unless you want to count 2015 when we never even beat any really good teams. He needs to step his game up, which he appears to be doing.

1 top 25 in the last 8 years doesn't do much for me personally.

Joe Pa had 3 BigTen Championships, also. Just thought this thread would find active coaches and those tied to the Iowa coaching tree more interesting.

 

[BCRoss89]

which one of them was coaching pedd state a couple years ago?
and how many coaches are still in the b1g that were around when we last won/split championship?

I don't mind KF or his salary, but the past decade he hasn't really done much. Unless you want to count 2015 when we never even beat any really good teams. He needs to step his game up, which he appears to be doing.

1 top 25 in the last 8 years doesn't do much for me personally.

I don't get why so many people poo poo the 2015 team and record, just look at how many of those kids are in the NFL. It wasn't just an easy schedule, but some darn good players too. Plus, 8 Big Ten victories (should have been 9) is not an easy thing to do, any year. Just saying.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

The 2015 schedule wasn't a cakewalk. NW had 10 wins, Wisky 9, Pitt, 8. Indiana, Minny and Nebby all 6 wins. The losses were to two 12 win teams (MSU & Stanford).

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Joe Pa had 3 BigTen Championships, also. Just thought this thread would find active coaches and those tied to the Iowa coaching tree more interesting.

franklin is an active coach.......????

 

[H4wkfan4life]

I don't get why so many people poo poo the 2015 team and record, just look at how many of those kids are in the NFL. It wasn't just an easy schedule, but some darn good players too. Plus, 8 Big Ten victories (should have been 9) is not an easy thing to do, any year. Just saying.

it was a fun season, but lets be real.....that wasn't one of the 10 best teams in the country.

 

[BCRoss89]

franklin is an active coach.......????

Franklin has 1 Big Ten Championship, Correct. My filter was 2 or more. Sorry.

 

[BCRoss89]

it was a fun season, but lets be real.....that wasn't one of the 10 best teams in the country.

Alabama, Clemson, Stanford defiantly better than Iowa, and maybe Ohio State although they lost to MSU and we easily could have won against them. But the rest of the top 10, Houston, TCU, MSU??? I don't see these teams as being clearly better than Iowa's team that year, sorry.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Alabama, Clemson, Standford defiantly better than Iowa, and maybe Ohio State although they lost to MSU and we easily could have won against them. But the rest of the top 10, Houston, TCU, MSU??? I don't see these teams as being clearly better than Iowa's team that year, sorry.

MSU was probably the 3rd best b1g team that year.
Yes they won the games they needed, but it's no different than trying to say we were a better team than osu last year. We definitely weren't close. A better and more prepared team that day.....for sure. Not overall though.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

People who are upset about Kirks buyout probably count the face value of their term life on their balance sheet.

 

[Hock-I]

So he gets $500K kicker for success (8-5). What the hell is the $4.8M for?

This is my problem with the AD and Kirk’s total payment package. Can you imagine any blue blood program with an 8-5 bonus? I can imagine a program like Minnesota having an incentive like this...

 

[GunnerHawk]

Well sh*t. I kind of thought we were done with this.

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...l-5-worst-deals-coaches-contracts/1334120002/

"The more you examine Ferentz's contract, the worse it looks for Iowa. His base compensation for 2018 is $4.7 million, but it is also riddled with incentives – bonus opportunities that Ferentz should regularly hit, inflating that number.

If the Hawkeyes simply make a bowl game, for example, Ferentz will receive a $100,000 bonus. If they win seven games, his entire staff will receive an automatic 8% raise. And if they win eight, as they have in the first two years of the contract, he'll get an additional $500,000. (Winning seven games or more would also trigger an automatic increase in his buyout clause.)"

Not this shit again. Who reads that crap newspaper. I'm glad Kirk is at Iowa, could care less what they say.

 

[iowa12]

I don't get why so many people poo poo the 2015 team and record, just look at how many of those kids are in the NFL. It wasn't just an easy schedule, but some darn good players too. Plus, 8 Big Ten victories (should have been 9) is not an easy thing to do, any year. Just saying.

What does number of nfl players have anything to do with it? If it did, there wouldn’t be these discussions. The fact that his teams don’t fare better is the issue. The 15 team played no one. When they finally did...they got their asses handed to them

 

[iowa12]

Alabama, Clemson, Standford defiantly better than Iowa, and maybe Ohio State although they lost to MSU and we easily could have won against them. But the rest of the top 10, Houston, TCU, MSU??? I don't see these teams as being clearly better than Iowa's team that year, sorry.

We’ll never know as the captain will never play them

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

It is a great job. I’ve said that over and over. I’d love to see an aggressive coach with a strong personality come in and push us to a level where we aren’t afraid of anyone. Even if the record isn’t any better. I want a different swagger and style so you never know what ti expect and it’s exciting again

Are you a Cyclone fan? This nonsense is straight out of their playbook. Excitement and swagger are what matter! Who cares if the record is any better......good lord

 

[iowa12]

Are you a Cyclone fan? This nonsense is straight out of their playbook. Excitement and swagger are what matter! Who cares if the record is any better......good lord

No. An iowa fan with expectations

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

No. An iowa fan with expectations

If you could choose just one program that Iowa should emulate which one would you choose?

 

[j0nnyhb_Prime]

If you could choose just one program that Iowa should emulate which one would you choose?

Good call Truth! I’m sure he would select some team with a flashy offense .... the guy that said he is ISU was right. If these guys are really Iowa fans they are pretty pathetic. How entitled can you be?

 

[BCRoss89]

We’ll never know as the captain will never play them

Wow, you have some deep seeded issues with Kirk and the Iowa Program, are you sure you are on the right Forum.

Really no way you can prove what you are saying. Just your speculation and a rather negative one at that.The rankings are what they are and there is no changing that with all their flaws. So you can choose to be happy about it or keep making the tired old "glass is half empty" argument that down-plays Kirk's accomplishments and diminish our fan's joy when we do well.

You are probably one of those fans that use the rankings to support your argument (when we are not ranked) then turn around and say they are bogus when we are (2015). If you are a real Iowa fan, one thing is true. There is no making you happy!

 

[BCRoss89]

What does number of nfl players have anything to do with it? If it did, there wouldn’t be these discussions. The fact that his teams don’t fare better is the issue. The 15 team played no one. When they finally did...they got their asses handed to them

The NFL argument actually supports that the team was an excellent team that was deserving of a top 10 ranking in 2015. Alabama, Clemson and I think its fair to say Standford where clearly on a different level at the end of the season, OSU, MSU were beatable by a team with a good defense and a better than average Offense as they both proved during the season. Christen McCaffrey was a special athlete, and sense this is purely speculation and opinions we are discussing here, I think that without him, Stanford is not in the same class as Bahama and Clemson and maybe not even a top 10 team. While Iowa's loss to Stanford was embarrassing, I don't feel it proved that Iowa was undeserving and that their 12-1 record was meaningless going into the Stanford game because of their Overall SOS. Just say'n, my opinion, and I understand, everyone has one.

 

[papabeef]

--------People don't get how hard it is to run a clean program and consistently win year in and year out.

There are plenty of hungrier coaches out there that could win 7-8 games per season given our non conference schedule EVERY year.....and I'm still waiting for us to win that Clean Program National Championship....what a great day that will be for Iowa athletics. D1 athletics is dirty....if you can't face those facts, then don't expect much more than average.....which I haven't for over a decade now.

we are above average

 

[turtlehawk]

been a long time since I posted here. Here is what the fact is. If better coaches than Kirk Ferentz exist they are either not coming to Iowa or would do so only for a lot more money than that being paid to Kirk. And when Kirk leaves the chance of Iowa replacing him with someone even as good let alone better is about zero. The administration clearly understands it even if some pundits and fans refuse to do so

 

[ghostpony]

I'm definitely not 100% supportive of KF, I get frustrated at a lot of decision making and results when we lose easily winnable games.

But similar to my previous post, would you still feel this way if he was making $1M a year and this was his 20th season?

People that want a new coach (NTTAWWT) would still want a new coach. They would be angry that we were not spending 4+ million on said new coach.
Barta would look the same, but add cheap to the list.

 

[ghostpony]

No. An iowa fan with expectations

Still trying to sell this? Move on with your life man. Purdy looks like he has a bright future.

 

[bagdropper]

I find it interesting that the buyout is what chaps people's hides. The buyout doesn't mean a damn thing unless it's needed.

So, the next claim would then be "well, what if it is needed?" My response to that it has always been my opinion that for one, Kirk will not finish out that contract, because two, he'll leave on his own and not ask for a single dime. I simply don't see Kirk as a lifer coach who stays too long and he's also a guy who will probably surprise us when he does choose to leave.

To me, it's a non-issue and won't ever be an issue. Now, Fran's buyout - I have a LOT more issues with that than Ferentz'.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

We’ll never know as the captain will never play them

Wow, you have some deep seeded issues with Kirk and the Iowa Program, are you sure you are on the right Forum.

Really no way you can prove what you are saying. Just your speculation and a rather negative one at that.The rankings are what they are and there is no changing that with all their flaws. So you can choose to be happy about it or keep making the tired old "glass is half empty" argument that down-plays Kirk's accomplishments and diminish our fan's joy when we do well.

You are probably one of those fans that use the rankings to support your argument (when we are not ranked) then turn around and say they are bogus when we are (2015). If you are a real Iowa fan, one thing is true. There is no making you happy!

WOB alert!

 

[hawkifann]

SB Nation also thinks Ferentz has one of the worst contracts in FBS, mostly due to his incredibly large buyout

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/10/3/17933370/college-coach-buyouts-2018-ranking

I get that argument,but he's been here 20 years...what are the odds a buyout would even be used anyway?

 

[ichawk24]

Worst contract is clearly Frost. He comes in and reduces their program to its worst team ever. Nice hire.

 

[hawkifann]

Worst contract is clearly Frost. He comes in and reduces their program to its worst team ever. Nice hire.

We'll see. Ferentz came into Iowa and went 1-10/0-8 and four years later went 11-1 and started a string of 3 straight #8 finishes. I'm not saying Frost is any kind of a lock to pull that off at Nebraska, but you can't judge his contract by their first 6 games here if what Nebraska needed was a total house cleaning.

 

[ichawk24]

Kirk wasn't getting paid huge bucks in his first year. Frost is the 10th highest paid coach in the country.

Total house cleaning? I was told up until two months ago that Riley had recruited well, and all it will take was some good coaching for them to be in the BTTG this year. Now the goalposts have moved and it is a "total house cleaning".

 

[hawkifann]

Kirk wasn't getting paid huge bucks in his first year. Frost is the 10th highest paid coach in the country.

Total house cleaning? I was told up until two months ago that Riley had recruited well, and all it will take was some good coaching for them to be in the BTTG this year. Now the goalposts have moved and it is a "total house cleaning".

I'm not trying to defend the Huskers, I'm just saying that it's too early to judge the contract. If it proves out that he's the right guy and he leads them back to annual finishes at/near the top of the B1G West, then nobody is going to give a crap about whether he didn't earn his full $5M in season 1.

And let's be honest about "what you were told".....Nebraska was terrible under Riley. That was not a stocked roster.

 

[ichawk24]

Right now, it is the worst contract in the nation. I guess in three years it may turn out differently.

 

[anon_2zMXH429BhxV1Npk]

Riley signed the #31 rated class in 2015 (he was hired December 2014), #24 in 2016, and #20 in 2017. He was also on his way to another top 25 class before getting fired.

Anyone who says that Nebraska didn't have talent before Frost is lying. Was it the right talent for either Riley or Frost? Who knows, but they had highly rated kids across multiple classes, the cupboard was definitely not bare.

 

[hawkifann]

Right now, it is the worst contract in the nation. I guess in three years it may turn out differently.

I still don't think it's worse than Lovie's.

 

[Alum-Ni]

Riley signed the #31 rated class in 2015 (he was hired December 2014), #24 in 2016, and #20 in 2017. He was also on his way to another top 25 class before getting fired.

Anyone who says that Nebraska didn't have talent before Frost is lying. Was it the right talent for either Riley or Frost? Who knows, but they had highly rated kids across multiple classes, the cupboard was definitely not bare.

A lot of that class either never made it to Lincoln or started in Lincoln and never saw the field. Great class on paper, not so much in person.

 

[grayhair81]

I know it isn't college but Gruden's 100 mil is possibly the worst contract I have seen yet.

 

[grayhair81]

Imagine the number of coins that would be minted and statues erected if ISU has Iowa’s long term success.

They would all be wooden.

 

[JoelBittner]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/20/jon-gruden-im-not-making-100-million/

#Tomcruiseisworth100million

 

[grayhair81]

Ya, wow, softball contract, playing weak b1g west schedule, easy marks to hit.

Time to apply some a amazon principles and exceed customer/fan expectations and lower da prices.

Iowa fans are not concerned about prices. They are filling their stadium.
BTW, Keith Jackson says to stop using his famous tag line as your nomiker. Says he doesn't want anyone thinking he went to hell/Ames when he passed on. He also said ABC only ever sent him to games that people cared about so he hadn't spent time in L'Ames during his living years.

 

[doughuddl2]

Wow, you have some deep seeded issues with Kirk and the Iowa Program, are you sure you are on the right Forum.

Really no way you can prove what you are saying. Just your speculation and a rather negative one at that.The rankings are what they are and there is no changing that with all their flaws. So you can choose to be happy about it or keep making the tired old "glass is half empty" argument that down-plays Kirk's accomplishments and diminish our fan's joy when we do well.

You are probably one of those fans that use the rankings to support your argument (when we are not ranked) then turn around and say they are bogus when we are (2015). If you are a real Iowa fan, one thing is true. There is no making you happy!

He's one of those trolls that likes to see you post 3 paragraph replies back to his.