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Utah Becomes First State to Ban Fluoride in Public Water

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Utah has become the first U.S. state to outlaw the addition of fluoride to public drinking water.
The law, which was signed by Gov. Spencer Cox on March 27 and will go into effect on May 7, comes amid renewed scrutiny of fluoride, a mineral that has been widely added to U.S. drinking water since 1945 to prevent cavities. Although controversy over the safety of water fluoridation first arose in the 1940s, concerns have intensified in recent years, driven in part by new research on fluoridation and by growing resistance to public health interventions since the pandemic.
In November, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., now the federal health secretary, said that the Trump administration would “advise all U.S. water systems to remove fluoride from public water” because of potential health risks. Anti-fluoridation bills have also been introduced in North Dakota, Tennessee and Montana.
Much of the concern centers on the possible cognitive effects in children. In one recent review of studies, researchers concluded that high levels of prenatal or childhood fluoride exposure were linked with lower I.Q. s in childhood. But the fluoride levels associated with cognitive problems were more than twice as high as the levels people are generally exposed to through community water fluoridation, said Dr. Scott Tomar, a public health dentist and oral epidemiologist at the University of Illinois Chicago.
Some Americans are exposed to high levels of fluoride in their water through natural contamination from rocks and soil, he said, but not from manual fluoridation. The risks of manual fluoridation “have been dramatically overstated,” Dr. Tomar said.

 
As stricter regulations regarding PFAS come down, fluoride in drinking water may be a casualty of that. So it might not be a bad idea to investigate alternatives.
 
Why does it need to be in there?


H20 seems just fine.
Fluoride in water lowers the risk for cavities, especially for poor people as they are more likely to miss regular brushing and dental visits. An argument can be made that its effectiveness has decreased since it was started in the 50's as dental care has improved across the board but the scary "Fluoride is killing the children!" crap you see plastered all over the internet is still BS.
 
Great death for your grave. Brilliant idea. What will they do next? Add Red #4? Treat cavities with mercury?
 
Fluoride in water lowers the risk for cavities, especially for poor people as they are more likely to miss regular brushing and dental visits. An argument can be made that its effectiveness has decreased since it was started in the 50's as dental care has improved across the board but the scary "Fluoride is killing the children!" crap you see plastered all over the internet is still BS.

MAGA seems ok with pesticides, fertilizers, and animal shit in their water though.
 
Fluoride in water lowers the risk for cavities, especially for poor people as they are more likely to miss regular brushing and dental visits. An argument can be made that its effectiveness has decreased since it was started in the 50's as dental care has improved across the board but the scary "Fluoride is killing the children!" crap you see plastered all over the internet is still BS.
Eat and drink healthy and live a healthy life. Why not cut out sugar cereals? Sugar in about everything? Why not common sense.
 
My previous dentist used to sell me fluoride treatments for like $20 each cleaning, which is probably just a money grab. Then I switched to a new dentist as an office opened less than a mile from my home, and my dentist told me no need for fluoride treatments if I drink tap water, which I do. Probably not a good thing for dental health if it is not in tap water.
 
Eat and drink healthy and live a healthy life. Why not cut out sugar cereals? Sugar in about everything? Why not common sense.
Eating healthy is expensive and for poor people, heavily processed foods are the cheapest options. These have tons of sugar (usually HFCS) to give them flavor since they lack so many other things. You make it sound simple, but it's not. Particularly since minimum wage is still in the same place it was in the 90's.
 
Eating healthy is expensive and for poor people, heavily processed foods are the cheapest options. These have tons of sugar (usually HFCS) to give them flavor since they lack so many other things. You make it sound simple, but it's not. Particularly since minimum wage is still in the same place it was in the 90's.
That's where you are wrong. Most food used world wide is not commodity based and is food grown locally.

It is actually pretty simple. We've been marketing victims. Your sugar argument is preposterous. Sugar is addictive.
 
Eating healthy is expensive and for poor people, heavily processed foods are the cheapest options. These have tons of sugar (usually HFCS) to give them flavor since they lack so many other things. You make it sound simple, but it's not. Particularly since minimum wage is still in the same place it was in the 90's.
My boss eats Count Chocula for breakfast.
 
That's where you are wrong. Most food used world wide is not commodity based and is food grown locally.

It is actually pretty simple. We've been marketing victims. Your sugar argument is preposterous. Sugar is addictive.
Have you priced produce in the grocery store lately? We just had a whole election about this. Sugar is addictive though, you aren't wrong there.
 
My boss eats Count Chocula for breakfast.
right...the american public eats a terrible diet

the american public knows this...it has been told - over and over and over - about the importance of eating more veggies and fresh, whole foods. and still, grown adults eat count chocula for breakfast

this is one of the reasons why some public health measures - like fluoride in the water - are taken. because american consumers won't just eat better. so if a relatively low-risk, high-reward additive to the public water supply can generally improve the health of the public, we do it.

people act like americans have no agency when it comes to health and diet decisions. like we're just unwitting victims. we all know that we should eat better and get more exercise. but we don't. so other public interventions are done.
 
At least Iowa will no longer have to worry about the bothersome EPA water checks (under Trump).

“Since that time nitrate concentrations in the river flowing past the intake at our Fleur Drive Treatment Plant have not improved,” Corrigan said.

Corrigan said nitrate concentrations overall in the rivers continue to climb, with concentrations in the Raccoon River in 2024 among the highest the utility had seen.




Maybe Iowa will climb to #1 in cancer rates.


 
Have you priced produce in the grocery store lately? We just had a whole election about this. Sugar is addictive though, you aren't wrong there

right...the american public eats a terrible diet

the american public knows this...it has been told - over and over and over - about the importance of eating more veggies and fresh, whole foods. and still, grown adults eat count chocula for breakfast

this is one of the reasons why some public health measures - like fluoride in the water - are taken. because american consumers won't just eat better. so if a relatively low-risk, high-reward additive to the public water supply can generally improve the health of the public, we do it.

people act like americans have no agency when it comes to health and diet decisions. like we're just unwitting victims. we all know that we should eat better and get more exercise. but we don't. so other public interventions are done.
The junk food market is designed to be addictive.
 
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right...the american public eats a terrible diet

the american public knows this...it has been told - over and over and over - about the importance of eating more veggies and fresh, whole foods. and still, grown adults eat count chocula for breakfast

this is one of the reasons why some public health measures - like fluoride in the water - are taken. because american consumers won't just eat better. so if a relatively low-risk, high-reward additive to the public water supply can generally improve the health of the public, we do it.

people act like americans have no agency when it comes to health and diet decisions. like we're just unwitting victims. we all know that we should eat better and get more exercise. but we don't. so other public interventions are done.
So ummmm well, umm the elephant is the room. You seem to be leaving out medical cost impact on sugar which is far greater than food intake.
 
You know what your boss eats for breakfast? Or, are you referring to your partner and/or children?
No, he actually told us. I left out the part about Lucky Charms. Ironically he was a Big 10 wrestler.

I oft skip breakfast or have eggs with avocado and sometimes wall nuts. All of my kids are middle to middle low body fat and eat quite well. The wife... she's gorgeous. I'm five ten and 165. Raised 6 kids on a teachers salary and part time businesses.
 
Medical Costs > Healthy food costs

Early death doesn't cost much in food though
right.

do you think i'm advocating against healthy foods and more exercise?

yes...people should eat better and live healthier. but they don't. even though they know they should. the problem is not "no one told people they shouldn't eat count chocula for breakfast".

so, rather than pretend public health issues will be solved by just telling people things we've been telling them., sometimes active steps are taken when the positives consistently outweigh the negatives - like adding fluoride to the water
 
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Fixing this would require regulations that Republicans hate so much.
that's true of basically every non-vaccine, kooky medical thing rfk jr wants to do

it's not hard to see why they didn't put him in charge of environmental regulation (something he's actually qualified to do) and instead put him in charge of medical/health regulation (something he's not qualified to do)
 
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