Verkleeren
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No. He got screwed over IIRC. Feel free to chime in Dice but he wrestled up for his team in duals but was not allowed to go back down to 145 for individual post season. The school did not grant him a wrestle off at 152 because there was a senior there...
How I recall the incident I place more the blame on his coaches, they probably lost his trust. During his jr year he went up a weight and the coaches indicated that it wouldn't effect his descent when later he was told it did. When that happen he wanted to wrestle off up a weight for the state tournament and coach wouldn't allow it. Bottom line he didn't get to wrestle in the post season his jr year due to bad coaching decisions. From what I read I put that on the coaches and not him. Not familiar at all but that is just what I got from reading the articles last year. I think given that he had to transfer
You and Chief got it exactly right. 100% on the coaches and not indicative of Jared's character in any way.
If I remember correctly it was his brother at the weight above so not sure he wanted the wrestle off.
He wanted to wrestle off two weight classes above so he did not have to wrestle off his brother - coach would not allow it.
He is a really solid kid from a really solid family. No head case and probably a very safe bet to do well in college. Ceiling is not as high as Sasso's but floor is probably much higher.
He is a really solid kid from a really solid family. No head case and probably a very safe bet to do well in college. Ceiling is not as high as Sasso's but floor is probably much higher.
His brother was either at 152 or 160, I don't remember which. He was not allowed to wrestle off the senior at whichever weight his brother wasn't at and decided not to wrestle off his brother.
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I see dice already covered that.
It was his older brother at the above weight [152#]. IIRC, Verk wanted to go above that & challenge the guy @160, but coaches wouldn't allow it. I think this whole situation made it's way into the court system & Barry Davis was even called to testify at the hearing [re: potential recruiting damage to JV]. It was pretty bizarre circumstances.
BTW: It was the State Dual Team Championships that got him in the mess to begin with. His coach wanted him to wrestle up to help the team, but forgot to tell him he still needed to keep his weight ~145# so he could stay within weight descent rules for later on [individual tourneys], so he weighed in up in the 150's, hence not enough time to get back down to 145 for post season.
When bashing a kid w/o the real story, it's ok to say you're wrong you know. Being wrong happens to the best of us.
Mitch has never let the absence of facts or knowing the entire story stop him from posting negative comments about opposing programs, coaches or wrestlers.
This is correct with one possible exception: reportedly the coaches told him what his target weight was for state duals, in order to drop back for the postseason, and he missed it.
("Reportedly" because he denied it and the coaches no commented.)
If that's true, can understand why the coaches didn't let him wrestle off at a higher weight -- the other kids followed the rules. (EDIT: all but 1 of the kids above him were seniors.)
If the worst you can say about a HS kid is he missed weight once, that's not so terrible. And he paid the price.
The lawsuit surely wasn't the kid's idea. And the transfer ... likely in everyone's interests.
Regarding him vs. Sasso: I'd take Sasso based on talent. I think Verk is a solid prospect, but one whose reputation is a little inflated by the freestyle Cadet world title. His folk results are good but not eye popping as you would expect for a world champ. He mastered the one takedown direct into ankle lace flash TF at the cadet level. That doesn't translate into folk well, beyond the first takedown. Not to say he's bad, just not eye popping.
Sasso's results have been more explosive in both directions (wrecking Hershey after the 1-pt loss to Pletcher, but then getting mauled by Nick Lee.) Other than last year's loss to Stefanik up 2 weights at state duals, I can't remember the last time Verk wasn't in a match. Both beat the guys they're supposed to. The difference may be bonus vs. maybe steadier in toss up matches.
IDK if he will decommit, but virtually every time like this the athlete goes back to his final 5 schools list.
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So sorry that you are offended! I gave my opinion based on an article I read that could be interpreted in more than one way. It happens. If you don't like my views, the solution is pretty simple. Use the ignore button.
I don't give my views hoping for approval from the crowd.
On this specific story... perhaps someone could post JV's old high school coaches version of what may have happened. I'd imagine there are two sides to why the kid transferred. Perhaps it was an issue of a upset wrestling daddy for the move. We've certainly seen overactive wrestling daddies recently.
I've followed high school and college sports for a very long time. I've come to the conclusion that wrestling parents are the most likely to feel wronged when something negative happens to their lil Johnny. On the other side of the argument... wrestling parents also seem to be the most passionate.
You're right. It was a he said/he said thing about the weight issue between Verk & Coach. Who knows? As far as going back to his top-5, I'm assuming Wisc was on the list and maybe Barry's weekday jaunt to the PA courthouse last year will pay off for UW [if there's still a 'fit'?].
He said/he said? That won't sit well with a couple of our previous post/posters. I interpreted the consensus was it was ALL the coaches fault.
Plus AzChief already said I was wrong because he was in the room for conversation between coach and wrestler. Wait, no he wasn't.
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He said/he said? That won't sit well with a couple of our previous post/posters. I interpreted the consensus was it was ALL the coaches fault.
Plus AzChief already said I was wrong because he was in the room for conversation between coach and wrestler. Wait, no he wasn't.
Nope...wrong for trashing a kid without knowing all the facts. Still stands.
Your definition of trashing must be considerably different than mine. Potentially "selfish behavior" and "head case" is pretty mild stuff unless you are a snowflake. You a snowflake, Az?
But Mitch, you aren't even close to being right. If Right were a neighborhood in Iowa, your dumb ass would be in a rice paddy in Thailand. He wrestled up a weight for his team (not selfish) which ended up costing him the ability to wrestle 145 because his coach admittedly misinterpreted (he even asked the coach before hand) the rules and you have nothing on him to say back up that he is a "head case." Unless of course you think requesting a wrestle off at 160 to see who the best wrestler was being selfish and unfair. Wrestle-offs, being the cornerstone of the sport to see who the best guy to represent the team.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...r-Jarod-Verkleeren-WPIAL/stories/201602260203
Settle down, son. No need to name call.
You need a timeout?
Who's the snowflake? Didn't think dumbass was that bad of a description.
Ur posting history is one big pissing match
Why do you bring the father into the discussions? I have seen nothing that claims the father was part of this except he supported his son when he wasn't allowed to wrestle off for a spot. A father should be expected to support his son! If the coaches knew that his weight put him out of the states, why did they not let him wrestle that night so that his eligibility for 145 was maintained? I am sure that had JV known that his weight at the weigh in was going to eliminate him from the states, he would have not wrestled that match. I am in west PA and read all about this when it happened. Nothing was ever mentioned that JV knew about the weight issue.
So, the pissing contest would one be going for distance or duration? It needs to be made clear before one starts. My approach is different based on which one is to be executed.
Accuracy. Distance promotes cheating as some dude invariably pinches the tip to gain an advantage.
