Does anyone know if Vince could qualify for an injury redshirt and be granted a 6th year for the 2020-2021 season? He redshirted in 2015-2016 and wrestled one tournament before his season was ended by injury last year. I don't know how these work and I realize we are a ways away from 2021, but was just curious.
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He already used his redshirt so a medical redshirt isn’t possible. To get a hardship year he’d have to miss the majority of another season.
He wrestled 22 matches, which is pretty much on par for a freshman that is redshirting.
Looked to me like he needed a coach to tell him to cut the guy in the 3rd
We recruited three 141-pounders and the best of them can't beat #17. Brands can keep talking him up, but that's pitiful.
This was a little learning experience for Turk.
1. Know who you are wrestling. Dippery is a "top" guy who like the tilts.
2. Get better at getting off bottom.
3. I agree maybe better to go from neutral in the third.
If he gets 2 and 2 at the end of the second he is right there. As long as he learns and gets better he will be fine. Going to be some bumps with a new guy.
1. Know who you are wrestling. Dippery is a "top" guy who like the tilts.
2. Get better at getting off bottom.
3. I agree maybe better to go from neutral in the third.
If he gets 2 and 2 at the end of the second he is right there. As long as he learns and gets better he will be fine. Going to be some bumps with a new guy.
It would be better if Brands would have a guy for the weigh that could crack the top 20.
And to the guy above wondering if Turk would be eligible for medical hardship.....
We need a guy at that weight who can score points at Nationals. That’s what the plan needs to entail.
Couldn't agree more, just don't see the point in making it about "Brands talking the guy up"? I can see holding Brands accountable for who our guys are, but once we have them, should he NOT try to build their confidence by saying good things about them publicly?
Besides, like MVP said above, Turk will learn from it and be better. I would bet money on Turk to beat that kid the next time he sees him.
I am discouraged by the result tonight from Turk but I still think he will have our best finish in awhile at 141. If he faces Dippery again tomorrow he wins easily as the only way the kid can beat Turk is getting a tilt. Would have liked to see more boom boom boom in the 2nd and 3rd.
Glad you could find something that allowed you to be negative as usual. All in all I think we wrestled well. In much better shape, agressive on our feet and on top.
Brands talking him up isn't the primary issue. But it's frustrating as a fan to continually hear how we "like our guys," they're "doing things the right way," and the only thing they seem to lack is the ability to beat the guys they need to beat in order to bring a title back to Iowa City.
Hopefully, as others have noted, this is a learning experience for Turk. But even if he's "right there" with a guy ranked #17, that doesn't help us. Maybe Lee and Kemerer and Warner will help set the bar higher for Turk and others who need more than simply encouragement and steady-state development. That hasn't worked.
I like Turk and I liked the way he wrestled last week against unranked guys, and I didn't like the way he wrestled tonight. He wrestled like a guy who plans to ease his way to AA status by the time he's a senior. He didn't wrestle like a guy who looked like he plans to be an NCAA champ this year. He needs to be part of the new regime, not the last remnant of the old regime. That's why I care.
Better this type of loss now than at nationals. Good learning experience. Vince Turk has the talent to AA this year this match did not change my opinion on that.
I think Tarp is just commenting on the pattern of Tommy overselling holes in the line up.
We might like our guys but this isn’t a popularity contest.
Brands was critical of Turk in his post match presser. He's not always sunshine and rainbows about our guys.
Glad you could find something that allowed you to be negative as usual.
You seem to be doing a lot of that lately. Who made you cesspool monitor?
Your last two sentences are fine..............
Your first sentence not so much.
Pot calling kettle.
Unfortunately true. Hope this was not representative of what we can expect from 141 the rest of this year.
Until we start adding to the recently recruited stars, and keep it going, Brands is going to have plenty of work to do developing our mostly less heralded guys.
125 Stickley - unranked in top 150
133 Laux - 15th decile (#146)
141 Turk - 7th decile (#67)
149 Sorenson - 3rd decile (#27)
157 Kemerer - 1st decile (#8)
165 Young - 3rd decile (#25)
174 Gunther - unranked in top 150
184 Bowman - unranked in top 150
197 Wilcke - 9th decile (#86)
Hwt Stoll - 2nd decile (#14)
In contrast to our one guy (Kemerer), PSU has 6 in the top decile.
Retherford #3
Nolf #4
Joseph #5
Hall #1
Nickal #7
Nevills #5
125 Stickley - unranked in top 150
133 Laux - 15th decile (#146)
141 Turk - 7th decile (#67)
149 Sorenson - 3rd decile (#27)
157 Kemerer - 1st decile (#8)
165 Young - 3rd decile (#25)
174 Gunther - unranked in top 150
184 Bowman - unranked in top 150
197 Wilcke - 9th decile (#86)
Hwt Stoll - 2nd decile (#14)
In contrast to our one guy (Kemerer), PSU has 6 in the top decile.
Retherford #3
Nolf #4
Joseph #5
Hall #1
Nickal #7
Nevills #5
No doubt we need to keep upping our recruiting game. That said, taking a positive look at how the guys actually match up now with their superstar recruits:
149: Sorenson a very likely finalist with a puncher's chance at the upset
157: Kemerer -- see Sorensen
165: Marinelli is a stud who I think will be right there with the big boys by March
174: No doubt, a large gap here
184: PD3 is right there with Nickal
285: Stoll is right there with Nevills
So while there's a gap in recruiting, we match up quite well with their all-world recruits everywhere except 174. No doubt they're favored at 49 and 57, but our guys are likely to make the finals and score a fair amount of bonus, themselves, so in terms of scoring at Nationals, I think we hang with them pretty well at those two weights.
So yes, recruiting is obviously key these days. Still, we have the horses to hang with these top-10 recruits through a combination of decent recruiting and development. Looking forward to seeing how we do as recruiting continues to trend upward.
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141 has actually gone backwards since Dziewa. Really baffled on how the two lightweight guru's have dug us a hole at 133 & 141.
And the only life jacket seems to be Murin making 133 or beating Turk at 141 which is a bit of a wash at this point.
Good news is if Murin can make 133 this season and is the next Seth Gross newcomer type then this team has a punchers chance. If Murin is that good at 133 then I would re question Warners redshirt. That's the only way I even think about that.
If Murin is a legit 133 threat this is a lineup to play with the 2 big boys in the same sandbox. If everything broke right. IMO Warners redshirt would depend on Murin at 133. Otherwise shirt him and get a team 3rd
Lee -Finalist
Murin - AA?
Turk - RD 12
Soren- Finalist
Kem- Finalist
Bull- AA
Gunther/Young- Rd 12
Downey- Finalist
Warner - Finalist
Stoll - AA
And the only life jacket seems to be Murin making 133 or beating Turk at 141 which is a bit of a wash at this point.
Good news is if Murin can make 133 this season and is the next Seth Gross newcomer type then this team has a punchers chance. If Murin is that good at 133 then I would re question Warners redshirt. That's the only way I even think about that.
If Murin is a legit 133 threat this is a lineup to play with the 2 big boys in the same sandbox. If everything broke right. IMO Warners redshirt would depend on Murin at 133. Otherwise shirt him and get a team 3rd
Lee -Finalist
Murin - AA?
Turk - RD 12
Soren- Finalist
Kem- Finalist
Bull- AA
Gunther/Young- Rd 12
Downey- Finalist
Warner - Finalist
Stoll - AA
Let's see how Turk does with some matches under him. He missed all of last year and may just lack some mat awareness which led to the tilt and game over. The above is the lineup I see except for Murin. Would love to see him drop to 133, but hear that will suck him down too much. Maybe he can.
Good discussion above by all, and LETS KEEP IT CLEAN.
I am withholding judgment on Turk. He had a bad outing; he got the first takedown and rode the guy out in the third, but didn't wrestle a smart match and had some mental lapses. It happens, but I suspect most of those who saw the match are disappointed b/c they think deep down that Turk had the ability to win it. The list of Iowa wrestlers who didn't have a great inaugural match at Carver includes Kemerer and Sorensen, both of whom noticeably gassed in the third period when they were in the starting lineup for the first time against ISU, and McIlravy, who lost after Gable pulled his redshirt but went on to be a national champ. We need a larger sample size to conclude that Turk has too much ground to make up to AA this year. I'm hoping that getting an a@@ kicking every day in practice from Lugo and Sorensen will accelerate his development. Turk appears to have drive and to be a good athlete (quick feet), and very few of his competitors will have better work-out partners.
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If we expand beyond Iowa wrestlers (and given the home mat advantage its not quite fair), Mark Hall did alright last year after his first match at CHA wasn't probably what he wanted.
I applaud anyone not closing the book on a guy after the first two weeks of the season
I don't post match typically I just read and try to stay updated on the Hawks. That said: I watch a lot of wrestling, a lot, and I am going to go on record and say that if Turk finishes the year healthy it will be with AA honors!
Along the same lines I remember Mark Perry having a few head scratchers durng the season only to finish on top. It happens. Didn't Jaggers start the season something like 6-6 and then win it?
I feel your pain. Unfortunately we have a few wrestlers that believe winning the wrestle-offs is a goal in and of itself. It's an unacceptable mindset. Tony Ramos was a good example of a young wrestler that clearly was aiming higher than the wrestle-offs. If he wants to improve, Turk needs to be letting it all hang out. If he just want to be the 141 pounder, than he doing fine.
I don't think it really made much a difference whether Turk choose to cut his opponent or tried to turn him in the third period. At that point, the odds of being able to get enough TD's/stall calls in the 3rd period were pretty slim. Of course, the odds of turning his opponent twice were pretty slim as well. The missed opportunity was in the second period where he didn't force the action enough to score a TD and cut into the lead. Had he done more in the 2nd period and gotten one TD then cutting him in the 3rd would have been the right choice.
I don't think there is a single Hawk starter that is complacent with being the starter and not wanting to climb as high on the podium as they can. Some guys are limited by ability and others had bad matches/moments in a match. None shrugged off losses because they still get to be the starter.
I don't agree. We have wrestlers that play it safe when they need to let the shaft out and improve. This is not a conscious decision by a wrestler to be mediocre (as you have characterized my post), it is a deep-rooted psychological safezone that inhibits growth. Gable understood this very well - his "you didn't want to beat him" video says it all.
"Wanting to win"--- I think they all want to win. I think that young athletes either don't believe they deserve to win or are able to beat someone. That is when the mediocre effort occurs. You have to believe you deserve to win-- that you are entitled to it. How does one do that? ----Preparation long before the match. Work harder that you think you are capable of handling-- then do some more. Terry said "you get what you earn". I say "you get what you think you have earned". Wrestlers who coach themselves, motivate themselves discipline themselves are usually winners.
