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VOTE: Should Conference Tournament Winners Continue to Receive Automatic Berths to Big Dance?

Should Conference Tournament Winners Continue to Receive Automatic Berths to Big Dance?

  • Yes. No matter what.

  • No. The decision should be up to the Selection Committee.

  • No. Their should be certain criteria that must be met first.

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Franisdaman

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I think it makes it fun. However, consider this:

Their are only 68 spots for the NCAA Tournament.

32 schools currently get into the NCAA Tournament no matter what by simply winning their conference tournament.

Look at these 17 conferences and the current NET Rankings of the teams.

Do all 17 of these conferences deserve to be represented with one of the 68 spots in the NCAA Tournament?

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
84 84 Vermont America East 22-6 11-4 0-0 10-2 1-0
154 157 Stony Brook America East 23-6 12-2 1-1 9-3 1-0
180 182 Hartford America East 16-13 8-8 0-2 7-3 1-0
220 218 UMBC America East 18-12 6-7 2-1 7-4 3-0
256 264 UMass Lowell America East 15-15 5-10 2-0 6-5 2-0
279 268 Albany (NY) America East 11-18 5-8 0-2 5-8 1-0
330 329 Maine America East 5-24 2-16 0-0 2-8 1-0
332 331 Binghamton America East 8-21 3-11 0-0
346 350 New Hampshire America East 4-23 1-13 0-0 1-10 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
129 137 Radford Big South 20-9 9-6 0-1 8-2 3-0
170 168 Winthrop Big South 18-10 7-7 0-0 8-3 3-0
204 201 Presbyterian Big South 17-13 6-11 0-0 8-2 3-0
205 205 Gardner-Webb Big South 19-11 6-9 1-2 9-0 3-0
213 215 Charleston So. Big South 14-14 3-10 1-0 6-4 4-0
215 213 Hampton Big South 12-15 3-10 1-2 5-3 3-0
224 229 Campbell Big South 18-11 5-7 3-1 7-3 3-0
242 236 High Point Big South 15-14 4-8 2-2 7-4 2-0
287 288 Longwood Big South 15-15 5-9 1-1 6-5 3-0
341 340 USC Upstate Big South 6-24 1-14 0-2 2-8 3-0
350 349 UNC Asheville Big South 4-25 1-14 0-2 1-8 2-1

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
118 117 Montana Big Sky 20-7 8-4 2-1 8-2 2-0
165 167 Weber St. Big Sky 16-11 5-5 2-2 7-4 2-0
167 166 Northern Colo. Big Sky 18-9 10-5 0-2 6-2 2-0
244 244 Montana St. Big Sky 12-14 4-10 1-0 6-4 1-0
265 269 Southern Utah Big Sky 14-12 4-10 0-0 8-2 2-0
273 275 Sacramento St. Big Sky 12-13 3-9 1-0 5-4 3-0
277 279 Eastern Wash. Big Sky 11-16 2-13 0-0 8-3 1-0
278 280 Portland St. Big Sky 13-14 2-9 0-1 8-4 3-0
290 291 Northern Ariz. Big Sky 9-18 4-11 0-0 5-7 0-0
299 299 Idaho St. Big Sky 9-16 5-10 0-0 2-6 2-0
340 341 Idaho Big Sky 4-23 1-11 0-1 1-10 2-1
3-10 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
92 91 UC Irvine Big West 23-5 10-2 2-1 10-2 1-0
150 149 UC Santa Barbara Big West 19-8 5-6 2-0 10-2 2-0
174 171 Cal St. Fullerton Big West 13-14 4-10 1-2 6-2 2-0
186 186 Hawaii Big West 16-11 2-5 1-2 11-4 2-0
243 243 UC Davis Big West 10-16 3-12 1-1 4-3 2-0
245 246 Long Beach St. Big West 11-18 3-12 1-1 5-5 2-0
286 284 CSUN Big West 12-17 3-9 2-0 6-8 1-0
312 313 UC Riverside Big West 9-20 1-13 1-1 4-6 3-0
331 332 Cal Poly Big West 6-19 1-12 1-1 2-6 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
73 75 Old Dominion C-USA 22-6 7-3 1-2 14-1 0-0
105 104 Louisiana Tech C-USA 18-10 3-9 0-1 13-0 2-0
107 106 Southern Miss. C-USA 17-10 6-6 1-1 7-2 3-1
127 123 Western Ky. C-USA 16-12 5-8 2-1 9-3 0-0
132 131 North Texas C-USA 20-8 6-6 1-0 10-2 3-0
137 134 UTSA C-USA 15-12 4-6 1-3 7-2 3-1
143 141 UAB C-USA 17-11 6-4 1-3 8-4 2-0
152 153 Fla. Atlantic C-USA 16-12 5-7 2-1 6-4 3-0
166 165 Marshall C-USA 14-13 4-10 0-0 10-3 0-0
197 194 FIU C-USA 17-11 5-7 2-0 6-4 4-0
201 202 Rice C-USA 11-17 3-11 0-0 6-6 2-0
252 251 Middle Tenn. C-USA 9-19 1-10 0-4 6-5 2-0
267 265 UTEP C-USA 8-18 0-11 0-0 6-7 2-0
272 273 Charlotte C-USA 6-20 2-9 0-3 4-8 0-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
70 71 Hofstra CAA 23-6 8-5 0-0 14-1 1-0
98 93 Northeastern CAA 18-10 6-6 1-2 11-2 0-0
114 114 Col. of Charleston CAA 22-8 8-5 2-1 11-2 1-0
200 200 William & Mary CAA 12-16 3-11 0-0 8-5 1-0
226 226 Drexel CAA 13-16 3-11 1-0 8-5 1-0
235 238 Delaware CAA 16-13 7-8 0-0 7-5 2-0
236 237 James Madison CAA 13-16 4-11 1-1 6-4 2-0
246 245 Towson CAA 10-19 4-8 1-5 4-6 1-0
263 263 UNCW CAA 9-21 2-11 2-1 4-9 1-0
296 294 Elon CAA 9-20 4-7 0-2 3-11 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
124 125 Northern Ky. Horizon 21-8 5-7 0-0 14-1 2-0
142 140 Wright St. Horizon 18-11 4-6 0-3 12-2 2-0
195 195 IUPUI Horizon 16-13 3-9 2-0 9-4 2-0
214 212 UIC Horizon 15-14 3-10 0-0 10-4 2-0
216 216 Oakland Horizon 13-16 6-10 0-0 6-6 1-0
217 217 Green Bay Horizon 15-14 4-12 1-0 8-2 2-0
229 228 Detroit Mercy Horizon 10-18 4-13 0-0 6-5 0-0
261 261 Youngstown St. Horizon 12-18 5-10 1-2 4-6 2-0
285 286 Cleveland St. Horizon 9-21 1-12 0-0 6-9 2-0
298 298 Milwaukee Horizon 9-20 3-12 0-2 5-6 1-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
69 70 Yale Ivy League 18-5 7-4 2-0 8-1 1-0
121 120 Penn Ivy League 16-10 8-4 1-2 6-4 1-0
126 124 Harvard Ivy League 14-9 6-7 1-0 6-2 1-0
147 146 Brown Ivy League 17-9 6-7 0-0 9-2 2-0
176 175 Princeton Ivy League 15-8 7-5 1-0 5-3 2-0
188 188 Dartmouth Ivy League 11-15 2-10 1-1 6-4 2-0
206 204 Cornell Ivy League 13-13 6-9 0-0 5-4 2-0
234 233 Columbia Ivy League 7-17 2-9 1-2 2-6 2-0
 
Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
194 192 Rider MAAC 15-13 5-10 1-1 9-2 0-0
218 214 Iona MAAC 13-15 4-9 1-3 8-3 0-0
240 241 Quinnipiac MAAC 15-12 8-5 0-1 7-6 0-0
251 252 Siena MAAC 15-14 7-6 1-1 7-7 0-0
264 266 Marist MAAC 12-16 6-10 2-0 4-6 0-0
276 277 Canisius MAAC 13-16 9-5 0-3 4-8 0-0
288 287 Monmouth MAAC 10-20 4-11 0-3 6-6 0-0
294 293 Fairfield MAAC 8-20 3-12 1-1 4-7 0-0
304 306 Niagara MAAC 13-17 5-10 0-0 8-7 0-0
314 315 Saint Peter's MAAC 8-20 2-14 0-0 6-6 0-0
320 319 Manhattan MAAC 9-19 3-11 2-0 4-8 0-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
250 253 Norfolk St. MEAC 17-11 7-7 0-3 7-1 3-0
295 295 Bethune-Cookman MEAC 13-15 4-12 0-0 7-3 2-0
302 303 Howard MEAC 14-15 7-7 1-1 3-7 3-0
307 310 N.C. Central MEAC 15-14 4-11 1-1 7-2 3-0
313 314 N.C. A&T MEAC 16-12 7-10 0-0 7-2 2-0
316 316 Florida A&M MEAC 11-18 5-12 0-2 4-4 2-0
333 333 Morgan St. MEAC 8-18 1-12 1-0 5-5 1-1
338 337 Savannah St. MEAC 10-18 3-14 1-0 5-4 1-0
339 338 South Carolina St. MEAC 7-23 2-18 0-0 3-5 2-0
343 343 Coppin St. MEAC 6-23 3-15 0-1 3-7 0-0
351 351 Delaware St. MEAC 5-21 2-14 0-0 1-7 2-0
353 353 UMES MEAC 5-24 2-17 0-0 1-7 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
128 130 Loyola Chicago MVC 18-12 5-6 1-2 11-4 1-0
136 139 Drake MVC 22-8 6-5 3-1 11-2 2-0
145 145 Southern Ill. MVC 16-14 7-7 1-1 8-6 0-0
157 158 Missouri St. MVC 16-14 5-9 0-2 10-3 1-0
162 163 UNI MVC 14-16 3-8 2-3 7-5 2-0
171 179 Bradley MVC 17-13 5-7 2-0 9-6 1-0
192 196 Illinois St. MVC 16-14 2-9 2-1 11-4 1-0
193 181 Valparaiso MVC 14-16 5-8 1-2 6-6 2-0
198 198 Indiana St. MVC 14-15 4-9 2-1 6-5 2-0
210 206 Evansville MVC 10-20 1-13 0-0 7-7 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
228 227 Fairleigh Dickinson NEC 15-13 4-9 0-0 9-4 2-0
241 242 Sacred Heart NEC 13-16 4-13 1-1 7-2 1-0
248 247 St. Francis Brooklyn NEC 16-13 6-10 0-1 8-2 2-0
255 258 Saint Francis (PA) NEC 15-12 5-9 0-0 8-3 2-0
257 259 Robert Morris NEC 15-14 4-11 0-0 9-3 2-0
262 262 LIU Brooklyn NEC 13-15 6-9 1-1 5-5 1-0
281 283 Wagner NEC 13-14 6-9 0-0 5-5 2-0
300 300 Central Conn. St. NEC 11-18 5-11 1-1 3-6 2-0
318 317 Bryant NEC 10-17 2-11 0-0 8-6 0-0
319 318 Mount St. Mary's NEC 8-21 4-13 0-0 2-8 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
139 143 Colgate Patriot 20-10 8-9 0-0 11-1 1-0
153 155 Lehigh Patriot 19-9 9-6 0-0 10-3 0-0
155 152 Bucknell Patriot 18-11 7-7 2-1 9-3 0-0
183 180 American Patriot 14-14 6-8 0-0 8-6 0-0
225 224 Boston U. Patriot 14-16 8-9 0-0 5-7 1-0
227 220 Holy Cross Patriot 15-15 5-10 2-0 8-5 0-0
247 249 Army West Point Patriot 13-17 3-11 0-2 9-4 1-0
280 281 Lafayette Patriot 10-18 6-9 0-0 3-9 1-0
283 282 Loyola Maryland Patriot 10-20 3-15 1-0 6-5 0-0
292 296 Navy Patriot 10-18 2-12 0-0 8-6 0-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
168 173 Abilene Christian Southland 22-6 9-4 2-0 7-2 4-0
169 178 Sam Houston St. Southland 20-9 7-8 1-0 9-1 3-0
208 219 Lamar University Southland 17-12 6-10 0-0 7-2 4-0
260 254 A&M-Corpus Christi Southland 11-17 3-9 0-1 4-7 4-0
266 270 Southeastern La. Southland 14-14 7-8 0-1 5-5 2-0
269 255 New Orleans Southland 16-11 4-8 0-0 8-3 4-0
282 276 Houston Baptist Southland 10-16 3-12 0-0 5-4 2-0
305 312 Central Ark. Southland 11-17 3-13 0-0 5-4 3-0
311 304 SFA Southland 14-13 3-7 1-1 6-5 4-0
315 307 Nicholls St. Southland 12-16 3-13 2-0 3-3 4-0
317 325 McNeese Southland 9-19 2-12 0-0 4-6 3-1
334 334 Northwestern St. Southland 11-17 3-11 1-0 4-6 3-0
348 346 Incarnate Word Southland 6-22 0-12 1-2 1-8 4-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
99 99 South Dakota St. Summit League 23-7 7-5 3-1 12-1 1-0
164 164 Omaha Summit League 18-9 8-7 0-0 9-2 1-0
207 207 Purdue Fort Wayne Summit League 17-12 6-9 0-0 8-3 3-0
223 222 North Dakota St. Summit League 14-14 3-8 1-3 8-3 2-0
233 232 South Dakota Summit League 11-16 4-8 1-2 4-6 2-0
291 290 North Dakota Summit League 11-16 3-10 0-0 4-6 4-0
297 297 Oral Roberts Summit League 10-20 3-13 1-1 4-6 2-0
301 301 Western Ill. Summit League 9-18 2-12 0-0 5-6 2-0
327 327 Denver Summit League 7-21 1-14 1-1 4-6 1-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
122 121 Ga. Southern Sun Belt 18-10 7-7 3-0 6-3 2-0
123 122 Texas St. Sun Belt 22-6 9-3 2-0 9-3 2-0
140 138 Georgia St. Sun Belt 19-9 6-7 2-1 10-1 1-0
149 147 La.-Monroe Sun Belt 14-12 3-11 0-0 10-1 1-0
156 156 Coastal Caro. Sun Belt 13-13 4-9 1-1 6-3 2-0
185 184 UT Arlington Sun Belt 13-15 5-10 0-0 7-5 1-0
189 190 Louisiana Sun Belt 16-11 5-7 2-1 7-3 2-0
219 223 Little Rock Sun Belt 10-17 3-10 0-0 5-7 2-0
221 221 Appalachian St. Sun Belt 9-18 1-11 0-3 5-4 3-0
238 239 South Alabama Sun Belt 13-14 2-9 0-0 9-5 2-0
249 248 Arkansas St. Sun Belt 12-15 2-10 1-2 7-3 2-0
253 256 Troy Sun Belt 11-15 3-9 0-0 6-6 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
209 208 Texas Southern SWAC 16-11 8-10 0-0 6-1 2-0
230 231 Prairie View SWAC 15-12 7-12 0-0 7-0 1-0
293 292 Grambling SWAC 13-14 5-10 0-1 5-3 3-0
323 322 Alabama St. SWAC 11-14 3-11 0-2 6-1 2-0
324 323 Ark.-Pine Bluff SWAC 11-17 3-16 1-0 6-1 1-0
329 330 Jackson St. SWAC 10-17 2-13 1-1 5-3 2-0
344 344 Southern U. SWAC 5-23 0-15 0-3 4-5 1-0
345 345 Alcorn SWAC 10-17 0-13 0-1 6-3 4-0
347 347 Alabama A&M SWAC 5-23 0-16 1-1 4-6 0-0
349 348 Mississippi Val. SWAC 5-24 0-20 0-0 4-4 1-0
 
dawgs_04 said:
It ain't broke, don't fix it. The most exciting part of the tourney is the first Thursday/Friday.

Reducing auto bids and giving them to bubble teams will create closer games, but that's not what I tune in to see as a fan.
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i see your point but look at some of those conferences; does the NEC, for example, deserve an automatic bid?

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
228 227 Fairleigh Dickinson NEC 15-13 4-9 0-0 9-4 2-0
241 242 Sacred Heart NEC 13-16 4-13 1-1 7-2 1-0
248 247 St. Francis Brooklyn NEC 16-13 6-10 0-1 8-2 2-0
255 258 Saint Francis (PA) NEC 15-12 5-9 0-0 8-3 2-0
257 259 Robert Morris NEC 15-14 4-11 0-0 9-3 2-0
262 262 LIU Brooklyn NEC 13-15 6-9 1-1 5-5 1-0
281 283 Wagner NEC 13-14 6-9 0-0 5-5 2-0
300 300 Central Conn. St. NEC 11-18 5-11 1-1 3-6 2-0
318 317 Bryant NEC 10-17 2-11 0-0 8-6 0-0
319 318 Mount St. Mary's NEC 8-21 4-13 0-0 2-8 2-0
 
Franisdaman said:
i see your point but look at some of those conferences; does the NEC, for example, deserve an automatic bid?

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
228 227 Fairleigh Dickinson NEC 15-13 4-9 0-0 9-4 2-0
241 242 Sacred Heart NEC 13-16 4-13 1-1 7-2 1-0
248 247 St. Francis Brooklyn NEC 16-13 6-10 0-1 8-2 2-0
255 258 Saint Francis (PA) NEC 15-12 5-9 0-0 8-3 2-0
257 259 Robert Morris NEC 15-14 4-11 0-0 9-3 2-0
262 262 LIU Brooklyn NEC 13-15 6-9 1-1 5-5 1-0
281 283 Wagner NEC 13-14 6-9 0-0 5-5 2-0
300 300 Central Conn. St. NEC 11-18 5-11 1-1 3-6 2-0
318 317 Bryant NEC 10-17 2-11 0-0 8-6 0-0
319 318 Mount St. Mary's NEC 8-21 4-13 0-0 2-8 2-0
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I always enjoy Championship week becuse you know that at each con. tourney there will be a auto bid awaiting. Do they deserve it yes & no! Yes, not just because thats the way its set up but the emotion and excitment that it brings. No, because most likely they will get beat out that 1st rnd.
 
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Basketball is a game of momentum and getting hot at the right time. I’d rather see a team that’s just started firing on all cylinders, won their conference tourney, and could make some noise in the Dance than some otherwise bubble team who is probably out in the second round anyways.

Plus the selection committee routinely shows bias, so if we can get teams in the tournament that aren’t chosen by them, I’m all for it
 
Uh, you do realize the conference tourney to decide the NCAA tourney bid is entirely up to the conference?

Hypothetically the Big 10 could appoint their last place team each year to represent them in the NCAA tournament. If you remember, the Big10 didnt have a conference tournament and the regular season champ got the automatic bid.

I see your point though.

Do I want to see a the MEAC auto bid school or a Power 5 school with a 7-13 record? At that point, it really doesnt make a difference.
 
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Franisdaman said:
I think it makes it fun. However, consider this:

Their are only 68 spots for the NCAA Tournament.

32 schools currently get into the NCAA Tournament no matter what by simply winning their conference tournament.

Look at these 17 conferences and the current NET Rankings of the teams.

Do all 17 of these conferences deserve to be represented with one of the 68 spots in the NCAA Tournament?

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
84 84 Vermont America East 22-6 11-4 0-0 10-2 1-0
154 157 Stony Brook America East 23-6 12-2 1-1 9-3 1-0
180 182 Hartford America East 16-13 8-8 0-2 7-3 1-0
220 218 UMBC America East 18-12 6-7 2-1 7-4 3-0
256 264 UMass Lowell America East 15-15 5-10 2-0 6-5 2-0
279 268 Albany (NY) America East 11-18 5-8 0-2 5-8 1-0
330 329 Maine America East 5-24 2-16 0-0 2-8 1-0
332 331 Binghamton America East 8-21 3-11 0-0
346 350 New Hampshire America East 4-23 1-13 0-0 1-10 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
129 137 Radford Big South 20-9 9-6 0-1 8-2 3-0
170 168 Winthrop Big South 18-10 7-7 0-0 8-3 3-0
204 201 Presbyterian Big South 17-13 6-11 0-0 8-2 3-0
205 205 Gardner-Webb Big South 19-11 6-9 1-2 9-0 3-0
213 215 Charleston So. Big South 14-14 3-10 1-0 6-4 4-0
215 213 Hampton Big South 12-15 3-10 1-2 5-3 3-0
224 229 Campbell Big South 18-11 5-7 3-1 7-3 3-0
242 236 High Point Big South 15-14 4-8 2-2 7-4 2-0
287 288 Longwood Big South 15-15 5-9 1-1 6-5 3-0
341 340 USC Upstate Big South 6-24 1-14 0-2 2-8 3-0
350 349 UNC Asheville Big South 4-25 1-14 0-2 1-8 2-1

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
118 117 Montana Big Sky 20-7 8-4 2-1 8-2 2-0
165 167 Weber St. Big Sky 16-11 5-5 2-2 7-4 2-0
167 166 Northern Colo. Big Sky 18-9 10-5 0-2 6-2 2-0
244 244 Montana St. Big Sky 12-14 4-10 1-0 6-4 1-0
265 269 Southern Utah Big Sky 14-12 4-10 0-0 8-2 2-0
273 275 Sacramento St. Big Sky 12-13 3-9 1-0 5-4 3-0
277 279 Eastern Wash. Big Sky 11-16 2-13 0-0 8-3 1-0
278 280 Portland St. Big Sky 13-14 2-9 0-1 8-4 3-0
290 291 Northern Ariz. Big Sky 9-18 4-11 0-0 5-7 0-0
299 299 Idaho St. Big Sky 9-16 5-10 0-0 2-6 2-0
340 341 Idaho Big Sky 4-23 1-11 0-1 1-10 2-1
3-10 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
92 91 UC Irvine Big West 23-5 10-2 2-1 10-2 1-0
150 149 UC Santa Barbara Big West 19-8 5-6 2-0 10-2 2-0
174 171 Cal St. Fullerton Big West 13-14 4-10 1-2 6-2 2-0
186 186 Hawaii Big West 16-11 2-5 1-2 11-4 2-0
243 243 UC Davis Big West 10-16 3-12 1-1 4-3 2-0
245 246 Long Beach St. Big West 11-18 3-12 1-1 5-5 2-0
286 284 CSUN Big West 12-17 3-9 2-0 6-8 1-0
312 313 UC Riverside Big West 9-20 1-13 1-1 4-6 3-0
331 332 Cal Poly Big West 6-19 1-12 1-1 2-6 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
73 75 Old Dominion C-USA 22-6 7-3 1-2 14-1 0-0
105 104 Louisiana Tech C-USA 18-10 3-9 0-1 13-0 2-0
107 106 Southern Miss. C-USA 17-10 6-6 1-1 7-2 3-1
127 123 Western Ky. C-USA 16-12 5-8 2-1 9-3 0-0
132 131 North Texas C-USA 20-8 6-6 1-0 10-2 3-0
137 134 UTSA C-USA 15-12 4-6 1-3 7-2 3-1
143 141 UAB C-USA 17-11 6-4 1-3 8-4 2-0
152 153 Fla. Atlantic C-USA 16-12 5-7 2-1 6-4 3-0
166 165 Marshall C-USA 14-13 4-10 0-0 10-3 0-0
197 194 FIU C-USA 17-11 5-7 2-0 6-4 4-0
201 202 Rice C-USA 11-17 3-11 0-0 6-6 2-0
252 251 Middle Tenn. C-USA 9-19 1-10 0-4 6-5 2-0
267 265 UTEP C-USA 8-18 0-11 0-0 6-7 2-0
272 273 Charlotte C-USA 6-20 2-9 0-3 4-8 0-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
70 71 Hofstra CAA 23-6 8-5 0-0 14-1 1-0
98 93 Northeastern CAA 18-10 6-6 1-2 11-2 0-0
114 114 Col. of Charleston CAA 22-8 8-5 2-1 11-2 1-0
200 200 William & Mary CAA 12-16 3-11 0-0 8-5 1-0
226 226 Drexel CAA 13-16 3-11 1-0 8-5 1-0
235 238 Delaware CAA 16-13 7-8 0-0 7-5 2-0
236 237 James Madison CAA 13-16 4-11 1-1 6-4 2-0
246 245 Towson CAA 10-19 4-8 1-5 4-6 1-0
263 263 UNCW CAA 9-21 2-11 2-1 4-9 1-0
296 294 Elon CAA 9-20 4-7 0-2 3-11 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
124 125 Northern Ky. Horizon 21-8 5-7 0-0 14-1 2-0
142 140 Wright St. Horizon 18-11 4-6 0-3 12-2 2-0
195 195 IUPUI Horizon 16-13 3-9 2-0 9-4 2-0
214 212 UIC Horizon 15-14 3-10 0-0 10-4 2-0
216 216 Oakland Horizon 13-16 6-10 0-0 6-6 1-0
217 217 Green Bay Horizon 15-14 4-12 1-0 8-2 2-0
229 228 Detroit Mercy Horizon 10-18 4-13 0-0 6-5 0-0
261 261 Youngstown St. Horizon 12-18 5-10 1-2 4-6 2-0
285 286 Cleveland St. Horizon 9-21 1-12 0-0 6-9 2-0
298 298 Milwaukee Horizon 9-20 3-12 0-2 5-6 1-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
69 70 Yale Ivy League 18-5 7-4 2-0 8-1 1-0
121 120 Penn Ivy League 16-10 8-4 1-2 6-4 1-0
126 124 Harvard Ivy League 14-9 6-7 1-0 6-2 1-0
147 146 Brown Ivy League 17-9 6-7 0-0 9-2 2-0
176 175 Princeton Ivy League 15-8 7-5 1-0 5-3 2-0
188 188 Dartmouth Ivy League 11-15 2-10 1-1 6-4 2-0
206 204 Cornell Ivy League 13-13 6-9 0-0 5-4 2-0
234 233 Columbia Ivy League 7-17 2-9 1-2 2-6 2-0
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Did you type all this out?.......
 
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Kicking some conferences out so more 8-10 (or worse) Power 5 conf teams can qualify would be lame. Bad enough they started four lowest 16 seeds play each other first to get their chance at a #1 - unless the conferences that generally play in Dayton actually prefer the current setup
 
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Obviously it can benefit the multi-bid leagues by getting an extra team in the field, but punish a small conference-winning team for having 1 bad game.

The field is so large that it’s not that big of a deal to have a few bad teams, plus it keeps more of the top seeds in which draws more TV viewers.

The conferences should be able to decide for themselves.
 
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Absolutely. The NCAA gives a conference a berth. It is up to the conference to determine how it designates a champion.

Franisdaman said:
I think it makes it fun. However, consider this:

Their are only 68 spots for the NCAA Tournament.

32 schools currently get into the NCAA Tournament no matter what by simply winning their conference tournament.

Look at these 17 conferences and the current NET Rankings of the teams.

Do all 17 of these conferences deserve to be represented with one of the 68 spots in the NCAA Tournament?

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
84 84 Vermont America East 22-6 11-4 0-0 10-2 1-0
154 157 Stony Brook America East 23-6 12-2 1-1 9-3 1-0
180 182 Hartford America East 16-13 8-8 0-2 7-3 1-0
220 218 UMBC America East 18-12 6-7 2-1 7-4 3-0
256 264 UMass Lowell America East 15-15 5-10 2-0 6-5 2-0
279 268 Albany (NY) America East 11-18 5-8 0-2 5-8 1-0
330 329 Maine America East 5-24 2-16 0-0 2-8 1-0
332 331 Binghamton America East 8-21 3-11 0-0
346 350 New Hampshire America East 4-23 1-13 0-0 1-10 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
129 137 Radford Big South 20-9 9-6 0-1 8-2 3-0
170 168 Winthrop Big South 18-10 7-7 0-0 8-3 3-0
204 201 Presbyterian Big South 17-13 6-11 0-0 8-2 3-0
205 205 Gardner-Webb Big South 19-11 6-9 1-2 9-0 3-0
213 215 Charleston So. Big South 14-14 3-10 1-0 6-4 4-0
215 213 Hampton Big South 12-15 3-10 1-2 5-3 3-0
224 229 Campbell Big South 18-11 5-7 3-1 7-3 3-0
242 236 High Point Big South 15-14 4-8 2-2 7-4 2-0
287 288 Longwood Big South 15-15 5-9 1-1 6-5 3-0
341 340 USC Upstate Big South 6-24 1-14 0-2 2-8 3-0
350 349 UNC Asheville Big South 4-25 1-14 0-2 1-8 2-1

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
118 117 Montana Big Sky 20-7 8-4 2-1 8-2 2-0
165 167 Weber St. Big Sky 16-11 5-5 2-2 7-4 2-0
167 166 Northern Colo. Big Sky 18-9 10-5 0-2 6-2 2-0
244 244 Montana St. Big Sky 12-14 4-10 1-0 6-4 1-0
265 269 Southern Utah Big Sky 14-12 4-10 0-0 8-2 2-0
273 275 Sacramento St. Big Sky 12-13 3-9 1-0 5-4 3-0
277 279 Eastern Wash. Big Sky 11-16 2-13 0-0 8-3 1-0
278 280 Portland St. Big Sky 13-14 2-9 0-1 8-4 3-0
290 291 Northern Ariz. Big Sky 9-18 4-11 0-0 5-7 0-0
299 299 Idaho St. Big Sky 9-16 5-10 0-0 2-6 2-0
340 341 Idaho Big Sky 4-23 1-11 0-1 1-10 2-1
3-10 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
92 91 UC Irvine Big West 23-5 10-2 2-1 10-2 1-0
150 149 UC Santa Barbara Big West 19-8 5-6 2-0 10-2 2-0
174 171 Cal St. Fullerton Big West 13-14 4-10 1-2 6-2 2-0
186 186 Hawaii Big West 16-11 2-5 1-2 11-4 2-0
243 243 UC Davis Big West 10-16 3-12 1-1 4-3 2-0
245 246 Long Beach St. Big West 11-18 3-12 1-1 5-5 2-0
286 284 CSUN Big West 12-17 3-9 2-0 6-8 1-0
312 313 UC Riverside Big West 9-20 1-13 1-1 4-6 3-0
331 332 Cal Poly Big West 6-19 1-12 1-1 2-6 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
73 75 Old Dominion C-USA 22-6 7-3 1-2 14-1 0-0
105 104 Louisiana Tech C-USA 18-10 3-9 0-1 13-0 2-0
107 106 Southern Miss. C-USA 17-10 6-6 1-1 7-2 3-1
127 123 Western Ky. C-USA 16-12 5-8 2-1 9-3 0-0
132 131 North Texas C-USA 20-8 6-6 1-0 10-2 3-0
137 134 UTSA C-USA 15-12 4-6 1-3 7-2 3-1
143 141 UAB C-USA 17-11 6-4 1-3 8-4 2-0
152 153 Fla. Atlantic C-USA 16-12 5-7 2-1 6-4 3-0
166 165 Marshall C-USA 14-13 4-10 0-0 10-3 0-0
197 194 FIU C-USA 17-11 5-7 2-0 6-4 4-0
201 202 Rice C-USA 11-17 3-11 0-0 6-6 2-0
252 251 Middle Tenn. C-USA 9-19 1-10 0-4 6-5 2-0
267 265 UTEP C-USA 8-18 0-11 0-0 6-7 2-0
272 273 Charlotte C-USA 6-20 2-9 0-3 4-8 0-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
70 71 Hofstra CAA 23-6 8-5 0-0 14-1 1-0
98 93 Northeastern CAA 18-10 6-6 1-2 11-2 0-0
114 114 Col. of Charleston CAA 22-8 8-5 2-1 11-2 1-0
200 200 William & Mary CAA 12-16 3-11 0-0 8-5 1-0
226 226 Drexel CAA 13-16 3-11 1-0 8-5 1-0
235 238 Delaware CAA 16-13 7-8 0-0 7-5 2-0
236 237 James Madison CAA 13-16 4-11 1-1 6-4 2-0
246 245 Towson CAA 10-19 4-8 1-5 4-6 1-0
263 263 UNCW CAA 9-21 2-11 2-1 4-9 1-0
296 294 Elon CAA 9-20 4-7 0-2 3-11 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
124 125 Northern Ky. Horizon 21-8 5-7 0-0 14-1 2-0
142 140 Wright St. Horizon 18-11 4-6 0-3 12-2 2-0
195 195 IUPUI Horizon 16-13 3-9 2-0 9-4 2-0
214 212 UIC Horizon 15-14 3-10 0-0 10-4 2-0
216 216 Oakland Horizon 13-16 6-10 0-0 6-6 1-0
217 217 Green Bay Horizon 15-14 4-12 1-0 8-2 2-0
229 228 Detroit Mercy Horizon 10-18 4-13 0-0 6-5 0-0
261 261 Youngstown St. Horizon 12-18 5-10 1-2 4-6 2-0
285 286 Cleveland St. Horizon 9-21 1-12 0-0 6-9 2-0
298 298 Milwaukee Horizon 9-20 3-12 0-2 5-6 1-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
69 70 Yale Ivy League 18-5 7-4 2-0 8-1 1-0
121 120 Penn Ivy League 16-10 8-4 1-2 6-4 1-0
126 124 Harvard Ivy League 14-9 6-7 1-0 6-2 1-0
147 146 Brown Ivy League 17-9 6-7 0-0 9-2 2-0
176 175 Princeton Ivy League 15-8 7-5 1-0 5-3 2-0
188 188 Dartmouth Ivy League 11-15 2-10 1-1 6-4 2-0
206 204 Cornell Ivy League 13-13 6-9 0-0 5-4 2-0
234 233 Columbia Ivy League 7-17 2-9 1-2 2-6 2-0
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HawkIDrummer said:
For those of you who voted NO, I assume you'd do away with the conference tournament too. What's the point of it, if not an NCAA bid?
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H4wkfan4life said:
I'm stuck there.

I'd like to say "no!", but then what is the point of the tourney?
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Isn't it nice to talk about something other than suspensions? ;)

This is all opinions, obviously.

What do you want the NCAA Tournament field of 68 to look like? Exactly like the past? Or would you rather try and find the best 68 teams to create possibly even more madness?

Obviously, there is no movement (or is there?) to end the current set up.

But if there were tweaks, conferences could still have their end of season conferences tournament. The winner gets a trophy, hats, tshirts and a piece of the net! They MIGHT make the NCAA Tournament, too! But if that conference champ does not meet certain criteria, the NCAA Selection Committee might pick another team.

You want drama? CBS could have their cameras on #228 Fairleigh Dickinson, CHAMPIONS of the NEC Conference on Selection Sunday; will the champs of the NEC get picked? Is their 228 ranking enough?

And btw, can anyone tell me what "NEC" stands for before looking it up? I am guessing NorthEast Conference....
 
Get rid of the auto bids there's probably about 10 conferences that might as well just stop playing.
 
rufus-hawk said:
Obviously it can benefit the multi-bid leagues by getting an extra team in the field, but punish a small conference-winning team for having 1 bad game.

The field is so large that it’s not that big of a deal to have a few bad teams, plus it keeps more of the top seeds in which draws more TV viewers.

The conferences should be able to decide for themselves.
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The MVC is going to be a one bid league.

I think #136 Drake at 22-8 will win the MVC conference tournament. I think they take down Sister Jean and #128 Loyola Chicago, which is currently 18-12. Just a hunch. I think Drake would deserve to make the Dance.

However, if your NET ranking, for example, is 200 or worse, I think the NCAA should consider allowing discretion for the Selection Committee to select another team.

Again, if your NET ranking is 200 or worse, perhaps there should be no guarantees of a Big Dance berth. But you don't go away empty handed; you keep your trophy, your hats, your tshirts, your pieces of netting and your memories of winning your conference tourney.
 
Franisdaman said:
32 schools currently get into the NCAA Tournament no matter what by simply winning their conference tournament.
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And yet, in football, winning the regular season conference championship often means you get LEFT OUT of the post-season tournament. I will never understand why anyone thinks the CFP is a logical, fair, appropriate way to run the D-1 post-season. Every other sport, including every other level of college football, includes dozens of teams, not four chosen by a committee.

Basketball has too many teams. Football has far too few.
 
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The conferences aren’t required to have a tournament to determine the auto bid (the Ivy League didn’t until two years ago). But if they wanted their conference to be as competitive as it can be in the Dance, they would be smart to reduce the number of teams in its conf tournament.
 
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Franisdaman said:
I think it makes it fun. However, consider this:

Their are only 68 spots for the NCAA Tournament.

32 schools currently get into the NCAA Tournament no matter what by simply winning their conference tournament.

Look at these 17 conferences and the current NET Rankings of the teams.

Do all 17 of these conferences deserve to be represented with one of the 68 spots in the NCAA Tournament?

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
84 84 Vermont America East 22-6 11-4 0-0 10-2 1-0
154 157 Stony Brook America East 23-6 12-2 1-1 9-3 1-0
180 182 Hartford America East 16-13 8-8 0-2 7-3 1-0
220 218 UMBC America East 18-12 6-7 2-1 7-4 3-0
256 264 UMass Lowell America East 15-15 5-10 2-0 6-5 2-0
279 268 Albany (NY) America East 11-18 5-8 0-2 5-8 1-0
330 329 Maine America East 5-24 2-16 0-0 2-8 1-0
332 331 Binghamton America East 8-21 3-11 0-0
346 350 New Hampshire America East 4-23 1-13 0-0 1-10 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
129 137 Radford Big South 20-9 9-6 0-1 8-2 3-0
170 168 Winthrop Big South 18-10 7-7 0-0 8-3 3-0
204 201 Presbyterian Big South 17-13 6-11 0-0 8-2 3-0
205 205 Gardner-Webb Big South 19-11 6-9 1-2 9-0 3-0
213 215 Charleston So. Big South 14-14 3-10 1-0 6-4 4-0
215 213 Hampton Big South 12-15 3-10 1-2 5-3 3-0
224 229 Campbell Big South 18-11 5-7 3-1 7-3 3-0
242 236 High Point Big South 15-14 4-8 2-2 7-4 2-0
287 288 Longwood Big South 15-15 5-9 1-1 6-5 3-0
341 340 USC Upstate Big South 6-24 1-14 0-2 2-8 3-0
350 349 UNC Asheville Big South 4-25 1-14 0-2 1-8 2-1

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
118 117 Montana Big Sky 20-7 8-4 2-1 8-2 2-0
165 167 Weber St. Big Sky 16-11 5-5 2-2 7-4 2-0
167 166 Northern Colo. Big Sky 18-9 10-5 0-2 6-2 2-0
244 244 Montana St. Big Sky 12-14 4-10 1-0 6-4 1-0
265 269 Southern Utah Big Sky 14-12 4-10 0-0 8-2 2-0
273 275 Sacramento St. Big Sky 12-13 3-9 1-0 5-4 3-0
277 279 Eastern Wash. Big Sky 11-16 2-13 0-0 8-3 1-0
278 280 Portland St. Big Sky 13-14 2-9 0-1 8-4 3-0
290 291 Northern Ariz. Big Sky 9-18 4-11 0-0 5-7 0-0
299 299 Idaho St. Big Sky 9-16 5-10 0-0 2-6 2-0
340 341 Idaho Big Sky 4-23 1-11 0-1 1-10 2-1
3-10 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
92 91 UC Irvine Big West 23-5 10-2 2-1 10-2 1-0
150 149 UC Santa Barbara Big West 19-8 5-6 2-0 10-2 2-0
174 171 Cal St. Fullerton Big West 13-14 4-10 1-2 6-2 2-0
186 186 Hawaii Big West 16-11 2-5 1-2 11-4 2-0
243 243 UC Davis Big West 10-16 3-12 1-1 4-3 2-0
245 246 Long Beach St. Big West 11-18 3-12 1-1 5-5 2-0
286 284 CSUN Big West 12-17 3-9 2-0 6-8 1-0
312 313 UC Riverside Big West 9-20 1-13 1-1 4-6 3-0
331 332 Cal Poly Big West 6-19 1-12 1-1 2-6 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
73 75 Old Dominion C-USA 22-6 7-3 1-2 14-1 0-0
105 104 Louisiana Tech C-USA 18-10 3-9 0-1 13-0 2-0
107 106 Southern Miss. C-USA 17-10 6-6 1-1 7-2 3-1
127 123 Western Ky. C-USA 16-12 5-8 2-1 9-3 0-0
132 131 North Texas C-USA 20-8 6-6 1-0 10-2 3-0
137 134 UTSA C-USA 15-12 4-6 1-3 7-2 3-1
143 141 UAB C-USA 17-11 6-4 1-3 8-4 2-0
152 153 Fla. Atlantic C-USA 16-12 5-7 2-1 6-4 3-0
166 165 Marshall C-USA 14-13 4-10 0-0 10-3 0-0
197 194 FIU C-USA 17-11 5-7 2-0 6-4 4-0
201 202 Rice C-USA 11-17 3-11 0-0 6-6 2-0
252 251 Middle Tenn. C-USA 9-19 1-10 0-4 6-5 2-0
267 265 UTEP C-USA 8-18 0-11 0-0 6-7 2-0
272 273 Charlotte C-USA 6-20 2-9 0-3 4-8 0-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
70 71 Hofstra CAA 23-6 8-5 0-0 14-1 1-0
98 93 Northeastern CAA 18-10 6-6 1-2 11-2 0-0
114 114 Col. of Charleston CAA 22-8 8-5 2-1 11-2 1-0
200 200 William & Mary CAA 12-16 3-11 0-0 8-5 1-0
226 226 Drexel CAA 13-16 3-11 1-0 8-5 1-0
235 238 Delaware CAA 16-13 7-8 0-0 7-5 2-0
236 237 James Madison CAA 13-16 4-11 1-1 6-4 2-0
246 245 Towson CAA 10-19 4-8 1-5 4-6 1-0
263 263 UNCW CAA 9-21 2-11 2-1 4-9 1-0
296 294 Elon CAA 9-20 4-7 0-2 3-11 2-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
124 125 Northern Ky. Horizon 21-8 5-7 0-0 14-1 2-0
142 140 Wright St. Horizon 18-11 4-6 0-3 12-2 2-0
195 195 IUPUI Horizon 16-13 3-9 2-0 9-4 2-0
214 212 UIC Horizon 15-14 3-10 0-0 10-4 2-0
216 216 Oakland Horizon 13-16 6-10 0-0 6-6 1-0
217 217 Green Bay Horizon 15-14 4-12 1-0 8-2 2-0
229 228 Detroit Mercy Horizon 10-18 4-13 0-0 6-5 0-0
261 261 Youngstown St. Horizon 12-18 5-10 1-2 4-6 2-0
285 286 Cleveland St. Horizon 9-21 1-12 0-0 6-9 2-0
298 298 Milwaukee Horizon 9-20 3-12 0-2 5-6 1-0

Rank..Previous..Road..Neutral..Home..Non Div 1
69 70 Yale Ivy League 18-5 7-4 2-0 8-1 1-0
121 120 Penn Ivy League 16-10 8-4 1-2 6-4 1-0
126 124 Harvard Ivy League 14-9 6-7 1-0 6-2 1-0
147 146 Brown Ivy League 17-9 6-7 0-0 9-2 2-0
176 175 Princeton Ivy League 15-8 7-5 1-0 5-3 2-0
188 188 Dartmouth Ivy League 11-15 2-10 1-1 6-4 2-0
206 204 Cornell Ivy League 13-13 6-9 0-0 5-4 2-0
234 233 Columbia Ivy League 7-17 2-9 1-2 2-6 2-0
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Christ, somebody has A LOT of free time on their hands.
 
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You need to keep the crap conferences in....they fill out the home non-conference schedules for most of the Power 5.

Plus, it doesn't matter who the 16 seed is. They will lose 99% of the time regardless of what conference they come from.

hawkcub said:
Get rid of the auto bids there's probably about 10 conferences that might as well just stop playing.
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Now that Crest...I mean, Colgate, is getting into the NCAA Tournament, thoughts on conf tournament winners receiving automatic NCAA tournament bids?

I still think conferences should have their tournaments; you play the games, a champion is determined; the champs get a trophy, they cut down the nets and they get hats and tshirts. But, if your NET ranking is above a certain number (100?), the Selection Committee might (KEY WORD: might) choose another school over yours.

They call it Selection Sunday for a reason. Just because N Dak State (NET is 222), for example, won their conference does not mean they get selected.

These 12 schools are dancing after winning their conference tournament:

NET Rank..Conf...Road...Neutral...Home...Non D1

222 N Dak St. Summit 18-15 4-9 4-3 8-3 2-0

203 Fairleigh Dickinson NEC 20-13 7-9 0-0 11-4 2-0

202 Iona MAAC 17-15 6-9 3-3 8-3 0-0

176 Bradley MVC 20-14 5-8 5-0 9-6 1-0

171 Gardner-Webb Big South 23-11 8-9 2-2 10-0 3-0

128 Colgate Patriot 24-10 9-9 0-0 14-1 1-0

113 Northern Ky. Horizon 26-8 7-7 2-0 15-1 2-0

80 Northeastern CAA 23-10 8-6 4-2 11-2 0-0

60 Liberty ASUN 28-6 11-3 1-2 13-1 3-0

44 Murray St. OVC 27-4 10-3 2-0 13-1 2-0

34 St Mary's (CA) WCC 22-11 5-5 3-3 14-3 0-0

13 Wofford SoCon 29-4 11-3 3-0 12-1 3-0


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They should just let more teams in. Let 34 more teams in and make them play the 35-68 seeds first. Then proceed on with a 68 team field. Simple.
 
Making the NCAA Tourney for these 1-bid conference teams is about as thrilling as it gets for those folks. Taking that away so that a team like Indiana could be in this year kills a huge part of college basketball. I hope to God some NCAA bureaucrat doesn’t try pursuing eliminating smaller conference champs.
 
fivec61 said:
They should just let more teams in. Let 34 more teams in and make them play the 35-68 seeds first. Then proceed on with a 68 team field. Simple.
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I just think that the current set up needs to be looked at.

For example:

#222 North Dakota State's record vs D1 teams: 16-15.

#203 Fairleigh Dickinson's record vs D1 teams: 18-13

#202 Iona's record vs D1 teams: 17-15

I think these are 3 candidates where they should not be selected.


NET Rank..Conf...Road...Neutral...Home...Non D1

222 N Dak St. Summit 18-15 4-9 4-3 8-3 2-0

203 Fairleigh Dickinson NEC 20-13 7-9 0-0 11-4 2-0

202 Iona MAAC 17-15 6-9 3-3 8-3 0-0
 
fivec61 said:
They should just let more teams in. Let 34 more teams in and make them play the 35-68 seeds first. Then proceed on with a 68 team field. Simple.
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The math on that doesn't work, there would be play-in games to the play in games. There is absolutely nothing in this country like March Madness. It's arguably bigger than the World Series and NBA Finals in terms of the cross section of fans it gets from around the country. Blowing it up and reformatting the whole thing would be disastrous for college basketball...dare I say, FIFA-like.
 
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BeepBeepInMyJeep said:
The math on that doesn't work, there would be play-in games to the play in games. There is absolutely nothing in this country like March Madness. It's arguably bigger than the World Series and NBA Finals in terms of the cross section of fans it gets from around the country. Blowing it up and reformatting the whole thing would be disastrous for college basketball...dare I say, FIFA-like.
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I hear yeh, it would get busy and convoluted, however, HS basketball lets all teams in every year. It can be done if desired. Would not need to add 34 more either.
 
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