Voter suppression on the way
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Koblach is awful, unless of course you're afraid of too many non-whites voting, then he's great.
The Republican Party is getting older and whiter. The options option to them are become inclusive, or restrict voting.
Do you consider aking for id at voting location to be suppression?
Can you point to ANY instance of a Voter ID preventing fraud?
Because >90% of the fraud cases have NOT involved anything related to IDs.
Require eligibility verification at registration time, NOT poll time.
Can you point to any instance where a voter ID suppressed the vote?
If,Republicans proposed a national voter registration database that was adequately funded along with the funds to ensure that everyone had reasonable access to a polling station we could talk about id
Those issues are handled by county auditors and Secretary's of state for each state. Are you saying you want yet another federal government office? Expanding the size of federal government will not help problems with voting.
Don't people already have adequate access to a polling station? And what does a voter ID have to do wit h that?
I've heard arguments that people won't be able to afford the ID or that they won't be able to drive or get transportation to get one. But if the argument is that voter IDs would suppress the vote, that means you're saying people would have transportation tot he polling places but not to get a voter ID?
Yep. They called them "poll taxes" before.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots.
Hispanics don't vote period, and black folks only vote for obama { according to lib logic} so are you guys talking about suppressing Asians?
Myth.
The GOP is getting less white over time, just more slowly than the Dems.
Now the getting older part is true.
They're never "free".
How will the GOP laws handle 'changes of address'? New ID needed? ID invalid?
Because LOTS of people change addresses ~annually when they rent or work seasonally.
That means you could EASILY have a "Voter ID" in 2 jurisdictions, meaning you can STILL commit fraud. Just like snowbirds who have properties in 2 states (and they HAVE caught people registered in both locations btw)
in texas you can use your water bill with your address on it and stuff, to verify. you seem to know a lot about voting twice!
dems had ghosts vote, aliens from mars, aliens from mexico, dogs, dead dogs, dead people, Canadians, all vote and vote twice.... and hills still lost
'Talking About' isn't the same as 'legislatin'.
We have yet to find virtually ANY voter fraud related to voter IDs, so it seems like a solution in search of a problem.
Kind of like the way Dems like to jump on the 'gun law restrictions' after every shooting, despite the laws they want to change having zero impact on the circumstances surrounding the actual shooting.
That is how you discern "actual legislation which may make a difference" from "political talking points". Just sayin'
I'd be willing to forget about requiring voter id at polling places as long as we have ICE agents standing at the door.
So what you are saying is illegals voted in Texas? Isn't Texas a Republican State? Interesting, didn't your cult leader win Texas? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Derp
Disenfranchising 10x to 100x more voters than cases of "Voter ID fraud".
Precisely the same as denying 100x more people of their legal gun ownership rights to pass a law which will have zero impact on gun crimes.
Already happened in NC, where a judge determined they attempted to suppress minorities with "surgical precision". Show us a legitimate study where "voter impersonation fraud" exists in reasonably high (>0.1%) numbers. THEN we can determine laws for IDs to address those 'fraud methods'.
If you are 'for' Voter IDs for nonexistent fraud, then you MUST ALSO favor for gun bans/laws which will likewise not impact gun violence/shootings. They are essentially the same thing: political talking points.
I'm fine with that if we can move elections to Sat or Sun.I'd be willing to forget about requiring voter id at polling places as long as we have ICE agents standing at the door.
If you move to require an id and then also shut down dmv offices in minority areas, then yes, it is suppression. Alabama is not the only state that attempted to do this. Think what you may, but the R's will do anything they can to reduce minority voting.
https://thinkprogress.org/after-ala...ies-lawmaker-wants-investigation-94de2c4a5dd9
Yes....we should outlaw ID requirements for EVERYTHING. Including citizenship.
Let's just go 'full retard'....
What I'm afraid of is a whole set of changes besides voter ID's. Some of them dedicated to making it more difficult to obtain an ID, some of which can be totally unrelated to voter ID's but still cast under the umbrella of "vote fraud prevention"; such as what we saw in North Carolina, where the legislatures made several changes to voting access that were specifically designed to lower the number of black voters.
It is clear that the GOP's strategy is to claim there is widespread voter fraud, then use that as a pretense to pass law after law designed specifically to pass constitutional muster while nonetheless decreasing minority voters. To pretend that isn't the motivation behind almost all of this is insulting.
This is the key. After getting Americans to buy-off on the innocuous sounding voter ID requirement, the GOP will predictably take measures to make it difficult for minorities to get those ID's. This is observably true.
