At this point, why is KF staying? Like others said, he has banked plenty. Why subject yourself to this?
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It is true, I dont want players that throw our coaches under the bus on a public forum. If you have issues, keep it within the team. If you wait years after the fact, never mind
I do not see it this way at all. I do not believe Kirk had a choice but to let Doyle go. Backing Doyle would have meant calling the players liars. That would have effectively ended his coaching career.
I may be naive as I still believe that Kirk did lay out the ground rules for the program, but was not in the know as to how those ground rules were being applied by Doyle. It is possible that he did not want to know for plausible deniability. Multiple accounts have been reported that Kirk has been questioning some of his prior rules and even relaxing some in recent years.
He still seems to have the support of most of the players, both current and previous. Also, most of the reports I have heard is that Kirk is a very good person. For these reasons, I will continue to back Kirk unless something comes out to contradict this information.
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With some of the absolute garbage you've posted, you should tread lightly questioning others' critical thinking skills. Just because the protests finally touched close enough to home for you to hear them doesn't mean that any of this happened "all of the sudden. "
Why let someone run you away from a job you love and many young men you can help?
In short....because he's not a millennial
"You can seriously damage people's lives saying things like that".
This comment was made about Akrum Wadley in an earlier post. The issue at hand is what coaches said to the 18-22 year olds. I hate to call them "kids", but how many of us at that age would stand up to a coach like Chris Doyle, Brian Ferentz, or Kirk Ferentz
(especially those at the freshmen + sophomore level at 18-19 years old)? It seems as if the culture within the program wasn't conducive to speaking out against what was going on.
Why wait three years to say anything? That seems to be the issue here. Maybe the black players felt intimidated? Maybe they feared retribution? Only they would know.
I really struggle with all the criticism vs. Wadley - the same person Hawk fans cheered for not so long ago.
This comment was made about Akrum Wadley in an earlier post. The issue at hand is what coaches said to the 18-22 year olds. I hate to call them "kids", but how many of us at that age would stand up to a coach like Chris Doyle, Brian Ferentz, or Kirk Ferentz
(especially those at the freshmen + sophomore level at 18-19 years old)? It seems as if the culture within the program wasn't conducive to speaking out against what was going on.
Why wait three years to say anything? That seems to be the issue here. Maybe the black players felt intimidated? Maybe they feared retribution? Only they would know.
I really struggle with all the criticism vs. Wadley - the same person Hawk fans cheered for not so long ago.
Of course, the current protests started May 25 after George Floyd was murdered. Your post suggested that everything was perfect before that and maybe it was for you. But you can't possibly believe that there weren't any issues prior to May 25.
Why let someone run you away from a job you love and many young men you can help?
In short....because he's not a millennial
Because he has enough to disappear to where no one will bother him or recognize him. Sounds good. He has helped many kids. He is right about 65. He did his time.
Yeah that's not gonna happen. Kids get to do whatever the hell they want with little consequence. I don't know where parenting has gone..
At the very least, it's really dumb to not be able to understand how players can appreciate how Doyle helped them reach their goals but not like all parts of how he did it.
And Bruno was absolutely correct about sbhawk. Steve King was elected many times so I know people like sbhawk exist but good lord, he looks like an idiot.
Where was his team going? They either play or go somewhere else. How many do you think would have left? Does your employer let the employees decide how things are going to be? Mine sure as hell doesnt.
Please, stay put in Arkansas and leave the Hawks alone. Racism will get you nowhere you poor, ignorant fool!
This thread is scary and I hope that the parents of recruits don’t read it. First off - I think Wadley is full of crap and so is DJK. However - there are issues within the program that stem from a lack of understanding and education on social issues and civil rights. Doesn’t make the coaches bad people; incorporating old school coaching and bullying tactics need to be changed. Providing an inclusive environment for everyone is also something that needs to happen. Coach Ferentz is a man of integrity and isn’t going to back down because things get hard. Keep the politics out of this and focus on people!
The fight for inclusion in this country is nothing new. Many statues and monuments that never should have been built, and Mississippi should have taken care of their flag a long time ago. With that being said... some of it is a little over the top, but come on guys - just be good human beings that care about people in this country
The fight for inclusion in this country is nothing new. Many statues and monuments that never should have been built, and Mississippi should have taken care of their flag a long time ago. With that being said... some of it is a little over the top, but come on guys - just be good human beings that care about people in this country
So Doyle was the cause of the systematic Racism? You need to look up the term systematic.
I never said it was perfect. Of course there is racism still in this country and every other country. Im saying it was grossly overstated on th team because of the spark starting a wildfire situation. i dont have a proble with what they are saying as much as how they are saying it
If these disgruntled players have real issues, handle it like an adult. approach the issue, keep it in the team. But they had to go on social media and be a squeeky wheel like a child. If this happened years ago, probably shouldn't even say anything. you had your chance.If I get a unjust speeding ticket, I don't wait until years later to appeal it.
That is why they have little credibility with me independently. Because there a many cases, yes it should be look at. If you do it social media, ignore it completely
You honestly don't believe KF knew how Doyle talked to the players after working with him for 20 years?
- Two sides to every story
- Unfortunately, we’ll never get to hear the other side
- If Wadley was good enough to play in the NFL... he’d be in the NFL
- I’ll file this rant with the DJK piece
- #ImJustBitter
Do you honestly think Raimond Braithwaite knew this was going on and did nothing for 16 years? Watched his players getting attacked and disrespected?
Being discriminated against because of your race is nothing like a speeding ticket so please don't compare the two. If you agree that there is racism still in this country, do you see how choosing words like disgruntled, grossly overstated, real issues, children, all of the sudden or BS undercuts that statement?
I'm thankful I'm not racist.
I'm not ignorant, nor am I a fool. I'm well educated and I just happen to disagree with everyone being GUILTY right now. And the fact that only one side can tell their story.
So you missed the point. The point is that an adult doesn't wait years to say something and you don't use social media to do it unless you're looking for attention. If I have an issue with someone at work, I go to HR not channel 8 news
I don't know what Akrum plans to do for a career but airing grievances on social media is not a good move.
Just think about allllllll the complimentary tweets these disgruntled players have sent out post-Iowa. They were no longer on the team yet they were praising the coaches they're now attacking. WTF!? You don't have a nightmare experience somewhere and go on to tweet positive things about the program you suddenly despise!
I’ve thought the same however I think KF cares about his legacy and if he bolts now would look bad. I think he weathers the storm this year and in my opinion I wouldn’t be shocked to see him retire after 21’. I think he’d like to stay longer (maybe 4-5 yrs more) until all of this happened. I’m sure he knows BF won’t be his successor so also gives him more time if he’d like to find someone to succeed him.
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My thoughts on wadley
1. Couldn’t make an XFL roster so the black balling claim from being drafted doesn’t hold much water.
2. Why didn’t he transfer if it was as bad as he says it was? During his time plenty of other guys did so not like they wouldn’t allow him to do so.
3. The parking story just reminds me of other entitled athletes while I was at Iowa who’d cut the line to a bar, park where they want etc because they were an athlete. Playing the victim card here is tiresome. DJK 2.0.
4. As others said why was he trying to get his little brother an offer?
5. Lastly sounds like he didn’t get football $ he thought he’d have gotten so trying to get it from the U of I now.
1. Couldn’t make an XFL roster so the black balling claim from being drafted doesn’t hold much water.
2. Why didn’t he transfer if it was as bad as he says it was? During his time plenty of other guys did so not like they wouldn’t allow him to do so.
3. The parking story just reminds me of other entitled athletes while I was at Iowa who’d cut the line to a bar, park where they want etc because they were an athlete. Playing the victim card here is tiresome. DJK 2.0.
4. As others said why was he trying to get his little brother an offer?
5. Lastly sounds like he didn’t get football $ he thought he’d have gotten so trying to get it from the U of I now.
Well he is gonna get a pass on 20 because there is about a 5% chance they will be playing.
Hmmm, so a player shared his personal experience in a manner of which you do not approve so that's why you used the words you did to undermine and minimize the players statements which you don't believe because, again, they weren't delivered in a manner of your liking?
