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WaPo: Biden falsely claims the new Georgia law ‘ends voting hours early’

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During his first news conference, President Biden became especially passionate when discussing a law being pressed by Republican lawmakers in Georgia that he said was intended to make it harder for people to vote. He reiterated those concerns the next day in a written statement after Gov. Brian Kemp (R) signed the bill into law.


The law has come under fire for restricting the distribution of food and water to people standing in line, making it harder to cast absentee ballots, reducing drop boxes for mail ballots, barring mobile voting places and for making significant procedural changes that potentially give more power to the GOP-controlled legislature in the election process.
Biden has echoed many of those concerns. But there was one line in both his news conference and his statement that has kept us puzzling until our puzzler was sore. It also puzzled experts who have studied the new law.
Let’s take a look.

The Facts​

On Election Day in Georgia, polling places are open from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., and if you are in line by 7 p.m., you are allowed to cast your ballot. Nothing in the new law changes those rules.

However, the law did make some changes to early voting. But experts say the net effect was to expand the opportunities to vote for most Georgians, not limit them.

“You can criticize the bill for many things, but I don’t think you can criticize it for reducing the hours you can vote,” said University of Georgia political scientist Charles S. Bullock III. He speculated that Biden may have been briefed on an early version of the bill — “there were 25 versions floating around” — and he did not get an update on the final version.
For instance, at one point lawmakers considered nixing all early voting on Sundays, thus eliminating “souls to the polls,” a get-out-the-vote initiative popular with predominantly Black churches. But that idea was scrapped in the end.

“One of the biggest changes in the bill would expand early voting access for most counties, adding an additional mandatory Saturday and formally codifying Sunday voting hours as optional,” Stephen Fowler of Georgia Public Broadcasting said in an excellent and comprehensive report on the impact of the new law. “Counties can have early voting open as long as 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., or 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. at minimum. If you live in a larger metropolitan county, you might not notice a change. For most other counties, you will have an extra weekend day, and your weekday early voting hours will likely be longer.”

Charles Stewart III, an election expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said: “I had also heard this generally reported as expanding early voting, so I’m surprised by the characterization.” He studied the precise language changes at our request and said it indicated an expansion of hours, especially in rural counties.
So where would Biden get this perception that ordinary workers were getting the shaft because the state would “end voting at five o’clock"? We have one clue.

The law used to say early “voting shall be conducted during normal business hours.” Experts said that generally means 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. The new law makes it specific — “beginning at 9:00 AM and ending at 5:00 PM.” A Georgia election official said the change was made in part because some rural county election offices only worked part time during the week, not a full eight-hour day, so the shift to more specific times makes it clear they must be open every weekday for at least eight hours.

But, as noted, the law also allows individual counties to set the hours anywhere between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. So the practical effect of the 5 p.m. reference in the law is minimal.


Under the new law, Fulton County could set the exact same hours for in-person early voting — or expand them from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. every day.
Bullock noted that one change in the law may impact early voting in runoff elections. The law reduced the period between the initial election and the runoff election, from nine to four weeks, potentially shortening the period for early voting.

We were curious what the early-voting rules were in Delaware, Biden’s home state. It turns out Delaware did not allow any in-person early voting in 2020. A law signed in 2019 will permit early voting starting in 2022. (Voting hours are 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. on Election Day.)

We sought an explanation from the White House for the reason for Biden’s remarks but did not receive an on-the-record response.

The Pinocchio Test​

Biden framed his complaint in terms of a slap at working people. The law would “end voting at five o’clock when working people are just getting off work” or “ends voting hours early so working people can’t cast their vote after their shift is over.”
Many listeners might assume he was talking about voting on Election Day, not early voting. But Election Day hours were not changed.
As for early voting, the law made a modest change, replacing a vague “normal business hours” — presumed to be 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. — to a more specific 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. time period. But that’s the minimum. Under the new law, counties have the option to extend the voting hours so voters can start casting ballots as early as 7 a.m. and as late as 7 p.m. — the same as Election Day in Georgia. Moreover, an additional mandatory day of early voting on Saturday was added and two days of early voting on Sunday were codified as an option for counties.


One could understand a flub in a news conference. But then this same claim popped up in an official presidential statement. Not a single expert we consulted who has studied the law understood why Biden made this claim, as this was the section of law that expanded early voting for many Georgians.

Somehow Biden managed to turn that expansion into a restriction aimed at working people, calling it “among the outrageous parts” of the law. There’s no evidence that is the case. The president earns Four Pinocchios.
 
Well, Iowa and I think a couple other states did, so in all likelihood he conflated Georgia’s new law, which dominated coverage last week, with some of these others. There’s only 250 or so other laws being floated around.
 
Well, Iowa and I think a couple other states did, so in all likelihood he conflated Georgia’s new law, which dominated coverage last week, with some of these others. There’s only 250 or so other laws being floated around.
I love the justification here. Go team blue!!
 
It is easy to tell that most people complaining about the GA voter laws have not even read the actual law. The law expands weekend voting.
 
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There's a special place in hell for people that freely call the Washington Post, "WaPo."

I hope OP roasts in that place.
 
He has comedy writers, he just reads his lines.

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The complaints about the reduction of drop boxes is what really galls me. Under current law, drop boxes aren't even allowed, PERIOD. They were instituted as a one time emergency order due to the pandemic. Granted the locations and number will be reduced, but without that part of the law. it reverts to having NONE. Critics conveniently ignore that part.
 
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Honestly, being a voter and resident of Iowa, I could give a ratz-azz What Georgia does with its voting laws. I do know what the Iowa GOP did and the direction they are moving. That does concern me.
I guess if I was FAU and good ol’ boy Repubber, I would be all out of sorts too about Biden and his misspeak here. I mean after all, if youure gonna lie, then LIE!
 
The complaints about the reduction of drop boxes is what really galls me. Under current law, drop boxes aren't even allowed, PERIOD. They were instituted as a one time emergency order due to the pandemic. Granted the locations and number will be reduced, but without that part of the law. it reverts to having NONE. Critics conveniently ignore that part.

I like the fact that the Georgia voting laws are way more voter friendly than his home state of Delaware which won't allow early voting until 2022.
 
Honestly, being a voter and resident of Iowa, I could give a ratz-azz What Georgia does with its voting laws. I do know what the Iowa GOP did and the direction they are moving. That does concern me.
I guess if I was FAU and good ol’ boy Repubber, I would be all out of sorts too about Biden and his misspeak here. I mean after all, if youure gonna lie, then LIE!
LOL...misspeak. It was written, checked, re-checked, practiced then said on national TV by My president. But yeah...MY president did a "misspeak". I guess if I was a loyal at all costs dope, I'd pretend MY President never lied. Nope..not MY president. MY president only misspeaks. LOL..remember that?
 
LOL...misspeak. It was written, checked, re-checked, practiced then said on national TV by My president. But yeah...MY president did a "misspeak". I guess if I was a loyal at all costs dope, I'd pretend MY President never lied. Nope..not MY president. MY president only misspeaks. LOL..remember that?
You need to start a movement to impeach the old bastard! Can’t have a liar like this leading the nation! I mean...when have we ever had a leader spew such blatant falsehoods!
 
So he’s too riddled with dementia to do his job but he’s also a master manipulator.

How convenient.
He just reads what is put in front of him. Or at least he tries to. And the people who wrote what was put in front of him knew exactly what they were doing. They didn't conflate anything. Never let a pesky thing like the truth get in the way of your agenda.
 
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I like the fact that the Georgia voting laws are way more voter friendly than his home state of Delaware which won't allow early voting until 2022.
Lots of blue states have voting times and dates that are more restrictive than Iowa or Georgia even after the new laws. But Iowa and Georgia are somehow preventing people from voting.
 
But wait, I was told “the media” only calls out Republicans for obfuscation. 🤔
That’s the lame stream corporate media that’s in the tank for the Dems, maaaaaaan. You have to really search for quality journalists who will tell the truth. Like in the (checks OP)... WASHINGTON POST.
 
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LOL...misspeak. It was written, checked, re-checked, practiced then said on national TV by My president. But yeah...MY president did a "misspeak". I guess if I was a loyal at all costs dope, I'd pretend MY President never lied. Nope..not MY president. MY president only misspeaks. LOL..remember that?

Let us all know when Biden "misspeaks" more than 20,000 times. In fact just make that 1,000 times.
 
He just reads what is put in front of him. Or at least he tries to. And the people who wrote what was put in front of him knew exactly what they were doing. They didn't conflate anything. Never let a pesky thing like the truth get in the way of your agenda.

When reading what is put in front of him, he doesn't sound like a 3rd grader. My apologies to all 3rd graders.
 
Lots of blue states have voting times and dates that are more restrictive than Iowa or Georgia even after the new laws. But Iowa and Georgia are somehow preventing people from voting.
Iowa certainly is. Again, I care not about Georgia. But Iowa certainly is. Iowa’s legislative actions regarding election rules and poll hours this past legislative session, make NO sense at all. None.
 
God knows, “ the truth” never, ever got in the way of 45... never!
Are you suggesting it's okay for Biden to lie because Trump did? Because I'm not saying it's okay for Trump to have lied because Biden is doing it now. They are both lying turds who have complete disregard for the truth when it gets in the way of their political narrative. And the narrative right now is that the new law in Georgia is racist so it has to be painted as such from every angle possible, regardless of the facts.
If we are to believe President Biden "misspoke" or it was a "gaffe," we would have to ignore the fact that he has spent his entire adult life reading bills and laws. Far more likely is he has no idea what is actually in Georgia's new law and he was simply reading what was put in front of him.
 
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During his first news conference, President Biden became especially passionate when discussing a law being pressed by Republican lawmakers in Georgia that he said was intended to make it harder for people to vote. He reiterated those concerns the next day in a written statement after Gov. Brian Kemp (R) signed the bill into law.


The law has come under fire for restricting the distribution of food and water to people standing in line, making it harder to cast absentee ballots, reducing drop boxes for mail ballots, barring mobile voting places and for making significant procedural changes that potentially give more power to the GOP-controlled legislature in the election process.
Biden has echoed many of those concerns. But there was one line in both his news conference and his statement that has kept us puzzling until our puzzler was sore. It also puzzled experts who have studied the new law.
Let’s take a look.

The Facts​

On Election Day in Georgia, polling places are open from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., and if you are in line by 7 p.m., you are allowed to cast your ballot. Nothing in the new law changes those rules.

However, the law did make some changes to early voting. But experts say the net effect was to expand the opportunities to vote for most Georgians, not limit them.

“You can criticize the bill for many things, but I don’t think you can criticize it for reducing the hours you can vote,” said University of Georgia political scientist Charles S. Bullock III. He speculated that Biden may have been briefed on an early version of the bill — “there were 25 versions floating around” — and he did not get an update on the final version.
For instance, at one point lawmakers considered nixing all early voting on Sundays, thus eliminating “souls to the polls,” a get-out-the-vote initiative popular with predominantly Black churches. But that idea was scrapped in the end.

“One of the biggest changes in the bill would expand early voting access for most counties, adding an additional mandatory Saturday and formally codifying Sunday voting hours as optional,” Stephen Fowler of Georgia Public Broadcasting said in an excellent and comprehensive report on the impact of the new law. “Counties can have early voting open as long as 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., or 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. at minimum. If you live in a larger metropolitan county, you might not notice a change. For most other counties, you will have an extra weekend day, and your weekday early voting hours will likely be longer.”

Charles Stewart III, an election expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said: “I had also heard this generally reported as expanding early voting, so I’m surprised by the characterization.” He studied the precise language changes at our request and said it indicated an expansion of hours, especially in rural counties.
So where would Biden get this perception that ordinary workers were getting the shaft because the state would “end voting at five o’clock"? We have one clue.

The law used to say early “voting shall be conducted during normal business hours.” Experts said that generally means 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. The new law makes it specific — “beginning at 9:00 AM and ending at 5:00 PM.” A Georgia election official said the change was made in part because some rural county election offices only worked part time during the week, not a full eight-hour day, so the shift to more specific times makes it clear they must be open every weekday for at least eight hours.

But, as noted, the law also allows individual counties to set the hours anywhere between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. So the practical effect of the 5 p.m. reference in the law is minimal.


Under the new law, Fulton County could set the exact same hours for in-person early voting — or expand them from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. every day.
Bullock noted that one change in the law may impact early voting in runoff elections. The law reduced the period between the initial election and the runoff election, from nine to four weeks, potentially shortening the period for early voting.

We were curious what the early-voting rules were in Delaware, Biden’s home state. It turns out Delaware did not allow any in-person early voting in 2020. A law signed in 2019 will permit early voting starting in 2022. (Voting hours are 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. on Election Day.)

We sought an explanation from the White House for the reason for Biden’s remarks but did not receive an on-the-record response.

The Pinocchio Test​

Biden framed his complaint in terms of a slap at working people. The law would “end voting at five o’clock when working people are just getting off work” or “ends voting hours early so working people can’t cast their vote after their shift is over.”
Many listeners might assume he was talking about voting on Election Day, not early voting. But Election Day hours were not changed.
As for early voting, the law made a modest change, replacing a vague “normal business hours” — presumed to be 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. — to a more specific 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. time period. But that’s the minimum. Under the new law, counties have the option to extend the voting hours so voters can start casting ballots as early as 7 a.m. and as late as 7 p.m. — the same as Election Day in Georgia. Moreover, an additional mandatory day of early voting on Saturday was added and two days of early voting on Sunday were codified as an option for counties.


One could understand a flub in a news conference. But then this same claim popped up in an official presidential statement. Not a single expert we consulted who has studied the law understood why Biden made this claim, as this was the section of law that expanded early voting for many Georgians.

Somehow Biden managed to turn that expansion into a restriction aimed at working people, calling it “among the outrageous parts” of the law. There’s no evidence that is the case. The president earns Four Pinocchios.

That's why they're denying water. Survival of the fittest
 
Honestly, being a voter and resident of Iowa, I could give a ratz-azz What Georgia does with its voting laws. I do know what the Iowa GOP did and the direction they are moving. That does concern me.
I guess if I was FAU and good ol’ boy Repubber, I would be all out of sorts too about Biden and his misspeak here. I mean after all, if youure gonna lie, then LIE!
You should care because the main goal is to be able to overturn the presidential election if they don't like the outcome...which will get us somebody like Hawley, Cruz or DeSantis as POTUS. All these Republican run states are actively trying to take our votes away from us.
 
What amazing is the people who are now complaining about the no handing out water/food/etc while in line. But what they never tell is it is not illegal to donate free food or water to the poll workers to hand out to anyone that needs or wants it nor is it illegal to bring your own food or water. But go ahead and hang you hat on that section of the law. Have any of you on the left actually read the law that you are so upset about? It is nothing like what is being said about it. The whole fake concern is nothing but an attempt to smooth the way for HR1.
 
Are you suggesting it's okay for Biden to lie because Trump did? Because I'm not saying it's okay for Trump to have lied because Biden is doing it now. They are both lying turds who have complete disregard for the truth when it gets in the way of their political narrative. And the narrative right now is that the new law in Georgia is racist so it has to be painted as such from every angle possible, regardless of the facts.
If we are to believe President Biden "misspoke" or it was a "gaffe," we would have to ignore the fact that he has spent his entire adult life reading bills and laws. Far more likely is he has no idea what is actually in Georgia's new law and he was simply reading what was put in front of him.

They are both lying turds? Really? That's a boat load of dung. This reminds me of the fans of their school's football team that got caught cheating with the old "everybody is cheating". I suppose it makes you feel better for defending trump.
 
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