I know its academic and would not affect the outcome but it looked like to me bo pinned himself before brooks was pinned? Go to flo and watch. I dont believe control is an issue in calling a fall its just the ref was looking at brooks shoulders not bo"s as he prolly should. What your opinion?
Was Bo pinned?
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From our seats, that's exactly what it looked like. You couldn't tell that he had completed the spladle, and it looked like he was fighting off Brooks and was flat on his back. We didn't know who won. We saw what Bo was trying to do, but didn't think he would pull it off. He pulled off some next-level s*** there. Dude is fun to watch.
That's what I thought from section DD too. & I agree. Nickal is one of my favorite non-Hakws to watch. I hope he gets a chanc to do the same to McRib.
So what exactly are the defensive pin rules?
simultaneous pins? ties shold go to the shot taker. 
So what exactly are the defensive pin rules?
Defensive pin? Was Brooks controlling Bo with that leg? LOL
I guess I thought for a defensive fall you had to exhibit some form of control from the defensive position. Brooks was just spread eagle like a prom date.
Yea...has to show some offense or intent I'd imagine. Tough to do when your balls on your forehead.
A wrestler can pin themselves. I haven't gone back to watch this match real time, but it probably happened too quickly for the ref to notice.
Wow, 10 posts in almost 10 years. Your annual post has now been used. See you in 2018! lol j/k
Sure...but the defensive guy has to show some kind of initiative. Bo had 100% control over Brooks and they were probably too busy judging whether Sammy was pinned or not.
I'm curious what the rule states. I pinned myself once and I had 100% control.
I would have no problem making that call if it was obvious and not a roll through. I've seen some freestyle-like pinfalls called this season, however. The 165 pinfall vs OSU was this type of call.
2.13 Fall
Any part of both shoulders or part of both scapulae (For pinning area, see Illustration No� 2�) of either wrestler held in contact with the mat for one second constitutes a fall� The one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent, after which the shoulders or scapulae area must be held in continuous contact with the mat for one second before a fall is awarded�
2�13�1 Awarding a Fall at Edge of Wrestling Area. When awarding a fall at the edge of the wrestling area, a fall may be awarded when any part of either wrestler is in bounds� (See Rule 2�4 and Illustration Nos� 59 and 60�)
2�13�2 No Fall. If any portion of the body of one of the wrestlers is out of bounds so that either wrestler is disadvantaged, no fall shall be awarded and out of bounds shall be declared�
2�13�3 Out of Bounds� When the match is stopped for out of bounds in a fall situation, the match shall be resumed in the starting position on the mat with the offensive wrestler in the advantage position� (For exception, see Rule 2�1�5�)
2�13�4 Indicating the Fall. As soon as the criteria listed in the first part of this section are met, the referee shall indicate the fall by striking the mat with the palm of the hand and blowing the whistle�
2�13�5 Fall—End of Period� When the referee is able to determine that a fall has occurred and the period ends before the referee strikes the mat, the fall shall be awarded� (See Rule 7�5�10�)
2�13�6 Determining Fall. If the referee cannot determine that a fall has occurred before the period ends because of crowd noise or other circumstances, the assistant referee, if available, shall be consulted� If there is no assistant or if the assistant referee is in doubt, the referee shall ask the match timekeeper if the signal hand hit the mat before the period ended� (See Rule 7�5�10�)
Any part of both shoulders or part of both scapulae (For pinning area, see Illustration No� 2�) of either wrestler held in contact with the mat for one second constitutes a fall� The one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent, after which the shoulders or scapulae area must be held in continuous contact with the mat for one second before a fall is awarded�
2�13�1 Awarding a Fall at Edge of Wrestling Area. When awarding a fall at the edge of the wrestling area, a fall may be awarded when any part of either wrestler is in bounds� (See Rule 2�4 and Illustration Nos� 59 and 60�)
2�13�2 No Fall. If any portion of the body of one of the wrestlers is out of bounds so that either wrestler is disadvantaged, no fall shall be awarded and out of bounds shall be declared�
2�13�3 Out of Bounds� When the match is stopped for out of bounds in a fall situation, the match shall be resumed in the starting position on the mat with the offensive wrestler in the advantage position� (For exception, see Rule 2�1�5�)
2�13�4 Indicating the Fall. As soon as the criteria listed in the first part of this section are met, the referee shall indicate the fall by striking the mat with the palm of the hand and blowing the whistle�
2�13�5 Fall—End of Period� When the referee is able to determine that a fall has occurred and the period ends before the referee strikes the mat, the fall shall be awarded� (See Rule 7�5�10�)
2�13�6 Determining Fall. If the referee cannot determine that a fall has occurred before the period ends because of crowd noise or other circumstances, the assistant referee, if available, shall be consulted� If there is no assistant or if the assistant referee is in doubt, the referee shall ask the match timekeeper if the signal hand hit the mat before the period ended� (See Rule 7�5�10�)
Over the years I have seen at least 4 celebrations like Wooden Nickels where the celebrating wrestler ran to the middle only to be crushed when they raised the other wrestlers hand. Each time the defensive wrestler was closely examaning his own anatomy, counting lights or praying for a quick painless/ shameless death. Every time it looked like the defensive wrestler had 0 control yet the defensive fall was called. I saw one recently in D3 where top man had legs in and was running a 3/4 nelson and flattened himself and callled a defensive pin. Not saying I know the rule but can say I was left in a state of beffudfledment. May have used that last word wrong and should have stuck to confused or not knowing WTF just happened.
Yeah, another asinine rule. What is wrong with making a rule that you can't accidentally pin yourself?
Not that it mattered as it happened so quickly but from watching in slow mo Nickal was in peril or flat first in order to pin Brooks. I would say Nickals Scapulae area was flat for 1 second before Brooks was...and itcwas not a roll through....
Classic, Chief! My wife asked me what I was laughing at. I told her without giving any context to the statement then she said wth are you looking at!
Speak for yourself, chief. I used to dominate from that position in my day.
You do not have to have any control on a defensive pin.
Haha Nickal lost and he knows it. Hawks win.
Not that it mattered as it happened so quickly but from watching in slow mo Nickal was in peril or flat first in order to pin Brooks. I would say Nickals Scapulae area was flat for 1 second before Brooks was...and itcwas not a roll through....
Neither wrestler has to have control or have any effort/intent - if you put your own shoulders on the mat for one second that meets the criteria you are pinned! You can be in the neutral position or in control riding your opponent!
Correct. You can pin yourself, for example, while trying to tilt your opponent; no control is required, and the pictures make it appear the official blew the call.
That said, it's a terrible rule and the first one I would change if I were king. Only the top wrestle should be able to score a fall. No neutral pins, no defensive pin.
Are the terms defensive pin and non-control fall used interchangeably? Sounds like the second is a better description of the guy pinning himself.
I disagree. Offensive or neutral wrestler needs to maintain control of their own body. I have no problem with a wrestler pinning himself.
We'll, now I'm furious. This is an utter injustice. We should protest the meet.
This is the way I understand it and what I was always taught as well.
He may have posted more intelligently in 10 than you with your 20,000 football comments.
The threat of the neutral pin or defensive pin, (such as getting stacked) is what forces a wrestler to bail out of certain positions.
Is that a good thing? It also causes fewer guys to try scoring moves, such as suicide tilts. The whole concept of folk style is control. Winning without control defies the core concept.
Technically, Brooks might be the winner of that match. Can anybody say that would be fair? Could you defend that to a non-wrestling fan?
Thank you for your support band glad you follow me. Love pissing people like you off.
I am pretty sure that there cannot be a defensive fall while an offensive fall is going on, but Bo was definitely pinned
