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Watch the videos; Has Hoiberg lost his team? He has $15M left guaranteed;Will the Bulls Fire him?

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The Bulls roster is not very good; the Bulls record is not very good. And now it looks like he is losing his team after having to bench his 2 best players after comments they made on Wednesday.

Fred is only in year 2 of his 5 year, $25M contract with the Bulls; the contract is guaranteed, so he gets the $25M if he lasts 5 years or if he doesn't.

This is gonna be interesting because if he is fired from the Bulls, P5 schools will be lining up to hire him, imo.

From ESPN.com:

Dwayne Wade and Jimmy Butler (of the Bulls) started the controversy when they questioned the desire of the team's younger players following a loss to the Atlanta Hawks on Wednesday. Rajon Rondo fired back a day later, criticizing Wade and Butler in an Instagram post. All three players were fined, and Wade and Butler were held out of the starting lineup as punishment. The three players were fined for airing grievances in the media and on social media. General manager Gar Forman made his displeasure known in a team meeting and in individual talks with the players.

As part of his Instagram post, Rondo said his "vets" with the Celtics didn't take days off and didn't call out players publicly, a clear shot at Wade. The Instagram post had a picture of him, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett.
"I could take that as a personal attack," Wade said. "But what's that going to do for me? Come in here and fight Rajon because he said his vets practiced every day? I'm 35. I'm not practicing every day. That's very clear."

ESPN Bulls reporter Nick Friedell says the team is emotionally exhausted by the talk surrounding the team and that the best thing coach Fred Hoiberg has going for him is the amount of time remaining on his contract (over 3 years).


Here is the video where Fred's future is discussed: www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18570172

The Bulls GM and Jimmy Butler speak here. Butler seems like complete jerk and not a team guy. He says he has no regrets.
The video: www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18567177

ESPN Bulls reporter Nick Friedell says that within the locker room, it is clear that lines have been drawn between Jimmy and Dwyane and everybody else. When asked if Fred still had the respect of all of his players, Friedell said this: "I think the players like Fred personally. But professionally, the answer is 'no.' Fred has not had control of the team, especially the veterans at times. I think this is the latest example of Jimmy and Dwanyne going off on top of Rondo going off on Instagram. Fred is trying to figure out the rotation on the fly and that hasn't worked. People have asked me in the last year and a half since Hoiberg has been coach of the Bulls if this team has tuned him out. I don't think they ever tuned him in."
 
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I heard Dave Kaplan of Comcast fame repeating a story he heard from a "reliable source" that not one player in the Bull's locker room respected Hoiberg as a coach and all felt he was in over his head.
 
I'm a Bulls fan and since the moment he's been here, none of the stars on the team have respected him. The front office is completely inept and hiring Hoiberg was a colossal mistake.
 
I never did like Wade.... if it weren't for him, I think the Bulls would be the best team in the East.... they made a horrible decision signing him.
Fred Hoiberg is a great coach.
 
I never did like Wade.... if it weren't for him, I think the Bulls would be the best team in the East.... they made a horrible decision signing him.
Fred Hoiberg is a great coach.
Lol what??? The Bulls roster is terrible apart from Butler and Wade. Hoiberg is a good college coach. He's not an NBA coach.
 
Lol what??? The Bulls roster is terrible apart from Butler and Wade. Hoiberg is a good college coach. He's not an NBA coach.

lol.... what are you stupid?
hahahahahaha
you must be extra dumb.
Hoiberg knows basketball.... all you know is how to say stupid stuff
lol
hahahaa
lol
jhhhhhahahahahhaahhhhahah

..............dummy
 
The Bulls like many teams can beat the best teams and lose to the worst. You probably don't know that the Bulls beat the #1 team in the East (Cavs and Lebron) 3 out of 4 games last year including Fred's first game as the Bulls coach and 2 of 2 games thus far this year. They also beat the #2 team in the East (Toronto) 4 out of 4 times last year and 1 of 1 games against Toronto this year. Both teams have had the #1 and #2 best records in the East both years.

It was obvious that Butler threw the game last night by not giving effort the way he did some games last year. In one game this year when it was obvious he was in a funk Butler didn't take a shot in the second half until midway or later into the 4th quarter and Butler normally doesn't see a shot he doesn't like.

Butler praised Fred's coaching not long ago saying the Bulls lack of execution in some bad losses was all on the players and that the coaching staff is working their butts off but the players aren't following the game plan.

If Butler is such an expert on coaching he should retire from playing and start coaching.

If Fred does one day return to college coaching, which I doubt it will be no where else but ISU, guaranteed.
 
The Bulls like many teams can beat the best teams and lose to the worst. You probably don't know that the Bulls beat the #1 team in the East (Cavs and Lebron) 3 out of 4 games last year including Fred's first game as the Bulls coach and 2 of 2 games thus far this year. They also beat the #2 team in the East (Toronto) 4 out of 4 times last year and 1 of 1 games against Toronto this year. Both teams have had the #1 and #2 best records in the East both years.
Actually I do know because I watched those games. Regular season nba is completely different from playoff nba. Sure the Bulls can beat the best teams but when it gets to playoff time, they just aren't talented enough. They most likely won't make the playoffs for the second straight year since Thibs was fired. Their drafting has been abysmal lately, too. There just isn't enough quality talent on the team. Butler is a top 10 player this season but past that, a bunch of inexperienced and inconsistent players that haven't developed yet.
 
I heard Dave Kaplan of Comcast fame repeating a story he heard from a "reliable source" that not one player in the Bull's locker room respected Hoiberg as a coach and all felt he was in over his head.

I thought Fred would be a perfect fit for the NBA based on how he got free agents (ie, transfers) in college and made the pieces work. His offense seemed to be an NBA type offense. So, how did he get in way over his head?

Nevertheless, the Bulls beat writer agrees with you when he said this:

When asked if Fred still had the respect of all of his players, Friedell said this: "I think the players like Fred personally. But professionally, the answer is 'no.' Fred has not had control of the team, especially the veterans at times. I think this is the latest example of Jimmy and Dwanyne going off on top of Rondo going off on Instagram. Fred is trying to figure out the rotation on the fly and that hasn't worked. People have asked me in the last year and a half since Hoiberg has been coach of the Bulls if this team has tuned him out. I don't think they ever tuned him in."
 
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I thought Fred would be a perfect fit for the NBA based on how he got free agents (ie, transfers) in college and made the pieces work. His offense seemed to be an NBA type offense. So, how did he get in way over his head?

Nevertheless, the Bulls beat writer agrees with you when he said this:

When asked if Fred still had the respect of all of his players, Friedell said this: "I think the players like Fred personally. But professionally, the answer is 'no.' Fred has not had control of the team, especially the veterans at times. I think this is the latest example of Jimmy and Dwanyne going off on top of Rondo going off on Instagram. Fred is trying to figure out the rotation on the fly and that hasn't worked. People have asked me in the last year and a half since Hoiberg has been coach of the Bulls if this team has tuned him out. I don't think they ever tuned him in."

that's on the players, not the coach...
and in my professional opinion... I think Wade is the bad seed among them... Butler probably too dumb at this point to figure it out...
but this sort of attitude manifests itself... and we're seeing that now.
but it was there from before.

having Wade on the team will bring nothing but bad fruit.... the only way this season can be turned around is by getting rid of Wade...

we seen the same thing happen on the football field...
the Bears should have never signed Cutler....
and once they did... they should have gotten rid of him at all costs.

so also with Wade.... the Bulls need to figure out how to get rid of Wade... no matter the cost.

this is only my professional opinion...
if you disagree it only means you're wrong.
 
The Bulls like many teams can beat the best teams and lose to the worst. You probably don't know that the Bulls beat the #1 team in the East (Cavs and Lebron) 3 out of 4 games last year including Fred's first game as the Bulls coach and 2 of 2 games thus far this year. They also beat the #2 team in the East (Toronto) 4 out of 4 times last year and 1 of 1 games against Toronto this year. Both teams have had the #1 and #2 best records in the East both years.

It was obvious that Butler threw the game last night by not giving effort the way he did some games last year. In one game this year when it was obvious he was in a funk Butler didn't take a shot in the second half until midway or later into the 4th quarter and Butler normally doesn't see a shot he doesn't like.

Butler praised Fred's coaching not long ago saying the Bulls lack of execution in some bad losses was all on the players and that the coaching staff is working their butts off but the players aren't following the game plan.

If Butler is such an expert on coaching he should retire from playing and start coaching.

If Fred does one day return to college coaching, which I doubt it will be no where else but ISU, guaranteed.

I watched video clips of last night's game and Butler was definitely half ass'ing it; I am surprised the Bulls fans were not booing him

I used to go to a lot of TImberwolves games until 2005, which is when Latrell Spreewell (sp) was in a contract dispute with the team and said he needed to be paid enough to feed his kids; that did not go over very well with Minnesotans, to say the least.

I did some google'ing. After reading the next paragraph, it's a wonder anybody would want to coach in the NBA.

Info from a 2005 article: Latrell Sprewell said he would ask to be traded if the Minnesota Timberwolves did not sign him to a contract extension by the 2005 season opener. ''I think this thing is heading towards me leaving, personally,'' Sprewell told reporters after a practice this week. Earlier in the preseason, Sprewell said he wanted a contract extension by the Wolves' opener or he would ask for a sign-and-trade deal or wait to become a free agent. Either way, Sprewell said he didn't want to negotiate during the season. Asked if he would play out the season and test the free-agent market, Sprewell said: ''Why would I want to help them win a title? They're not doing anything for me. I'm at risk. I have a lot of risk here. I got my family to feed.'' Sprewell made $14.6 million during the 2005-2006 season. Sprewell, 34 at the time, described the team's latest offer, reported to be worth between $27 million and $30 million over three years, as ''insulting.''
 
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Actually I do know because I watched those games. Regular season nba is completely different from playoff nba. Sure the Bulls can beat the best teams but when it gets to playoff time, they just aren't talented enough. They most likely won't make the playoffs for the second straight year since Thibs was fired. Their drafting has been abysmal lately, too. There just isn't enough quality talent on the team. Butler is a top 10 player this season but past that, a bunch of inexperienced and inconsistent players that haven't developed yet.

And Wade is getting old; and Rondo is a cancer
 
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