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Perhaps, I have heard mixed reviews.. The problem is that they are geofenced and is not a generalized solution. When they screw up, and they do often, they are remotely controlled by humans to remedy the situation. Those vehicles cost about $200K-$250K each, so they will likely never scale. Other than all that. Yeah..
Am I, or have I been an advocate for LiDAR? Or did I just point out that Tesla has bought sensors in the past, and recently spent another $2 million on them? Donāt bitch out again, answer the questions.
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I would probably drive like that too if forced to drive behind a slow ass landscape truck hauling a huge ass tree.
Nah youāre just a run of the mill hater. Nothing special. You nor I have any idea why Tesla procured such a small amount of those lidar sensors.
I will speculate that specific driving conditions can possibly be improved with lidar. However little (none) they might help with the generalized fair weather solution.
Fog
Heavy rain
Very low/no light such as on backroads.
Just because Tesla may be exploring the technology, doesnāt mean they will use it. Maybe just benchmarking their own against them somehow for data. I donāt know for sure.
This may be a nuance lost on you. Weāll see.
āNuanceā is not lost on meā¦itās clearly lost on you, however. I said their (continued) purchase of the sensors was āinteresting,ā considering Elon has stated they no longer use the LiDAR sensors for ground truth data for FSD training.
Just because Iām a not an fanboy, doesnāt mean I am a āhater.ā Being critical doesnāt make me an āhaterā either. Again, provide proof for the (lazy) accusations levied. You get caught in your feels, and because you canāt keep up, fall back to name callingā¦or worse, spamming a thread with unrelated X content (inability to generate your own thoughts/commentary). Pathetically Frantic.
Waymo is way far ahead of everyone else at this point, especially Tesla.
I'd be surprised.
They're still playing in a geofenced area.
Dec 20, 2023 ā Waymo analyzed 7.13 million fully driverless miles in three cities ā Phoenix, Los Angeles, and San Francisco
Tesla FSD is running 14.7 million miles per day as of last month. And that's not geofenced. The real world data they're getting leaves everyone else in the dust, because they have millions of data collectors out there on the road already.
Guess you missed the nuance again. Thatās describing your behavior/posting style. Not at all comparable to calling someone a ādipshit.ā
What no links or quotes of me being a āhaterā @Phenomenally Frantastic?
What no links or quotes of me being a āhaterā @Phenomenally Frantastic?
Waymo is a paid driverless service. It is geofenced but is operating with no one in the drivers seat.
Tesla still requires a driver in the drivers seat and paying attention. Does Tesla take liability if the car is in FSD and is in an accident? No?
So basically one is an actual service and the other is a demo. Tesla does have a lot of data. However, theyāve been collecting it for years and everything Iāve read makes it sound like Tesla drivers have little trust in FSD (car makes weird moves). Iām sure they will have it operating in 3 months probably, 6 months for sure.
What I took issue with is the idea that Waymo's methodology (working in only 3 geofenced locations) that has collected (as of Dec.) 7 million miles in the real world, while Tesla logs twice that many miles per day, has them 'way ahead'.
My commute is simple. 12 lights between me (3 would require a left turn). The way home could actually be done just hitting 7 lights (1 left turn). I'd pay the $99 bucks a month for FSD if I bought a Tesla from what I've witnessed of it. My only concern would be regulators shutting it down.
The 7 million miles you are quoting on Waymo is not 1:1 with Tesla miles. Those are 7 million miles with rider only (i.e., no one in the drivers seat). Tesla has that many miles per day with no one in the drivers seat or is its comparable number 0 miles per day?
I get Tesla obtains data from FSD but Telsaās website says āAutopilot and Full Self-Driving capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment.ā On the highway, my 2018 CRV has adaptive cruise control and lane assist where it drives itself. Itās not the same as Waymo if I have to have my hands on the wheel and eyes on the road the whole time.
On the miles, just because more people have driven with FSD a ton of miles doesnāt make the tech better. Do you think Teslaās are currently capable are offering rides with no one in the drivers seat in any large metro area (similar to Waymo geofence). If so, why not allow it?
I'm with you on this. Waymo is doing rides without drivers. Tesla isn't, likely because they cannot or there's little doubt that they would and Elon would be bragging about it incessantly. I'm excited about EV tech and think it will be the way of the future, but batteries need to be better, cars need to be more affordable and charging them away from home has to be far more convenient. Then there's autopilot... I'm guessing all of these things are a decade away from being mainstream ready. I think more and more EVs will be purchased and more and more charging locations added... but it will be a decade before we see a major shift from the status quo... and then probably take a decade for it to become the norm.
lol... really? Glad regulators are looking at things to ensure the safety of people, but less than 20 accidents and some moving violations... nothing serious or any deaths... that's a pretty good track record. Especially when Tesla has had many deaths and far more autopilot related accidents. I'm hopeful that either or both will develop a safe and reliable self-driving system... but to nitpick this when Tesla's track record is far worse is funny. Let's just hope they all keep making progress to solve the riddle.
Are you sure about that?
What drivers have claimed about Teslaās systems being active or engaged and reality are two different things.
Multiple high profile Tesla accidents have been investigated by non-Tesla third parties and found to be user error.
Most humans donāt want to accept responsibility for their own actions. Easier to claim the tech is responsible instead and most do.
I wonder how these violations compare with human violations for the same miles driven.
Thatās the thing, I think people expect perfection, when the bar weāre trying to clear is distracted meatbags that cause 2 million+ injuries and 40,000 fatalities a year.
And many have been determined to be caused by the system. Also, have you ever used one? At times they do weird things and it cannot do a U-turn. I've also seen Waymo's sway around and slow down for no apparent reason. However, outside of a few minor dents they seem to be ok. That said, both have work to do.
many? Such as?
Autopilot running and the driver ignores several warnings to take over immediately and hits something, is user error.
People using Autopilot incorrectly or ignorantly, is user error.
FSD? I have FSD and use it daily, Version 12 is incredible. V12 Supervised FSD can do a U turn.
Just say āSorry PF, this stuff is really over my pay grade.ā and go away.
āAlthough these patents mention that additional sensors like Lidar could be included, their role is limited to gathering data for voxels during the training phase. Once a comprehensive voxel-based training dataset is established, the final product is expected to rely solely on vision.ā
Why? I stated it would be interested to see what Tesla is using the LiDAR sensors for. I even corrected you in stating they werenāt being used as ground truth for their FSD. Just admit you have a gross reading comprehension issue, constantly fail at this, and then go away.
For reference, the post that has PF all lathered up.
Elonās statement about not using LiDAR for FSD ground truth
So if you have an issue with any of it, it seems to be with Elon, not me. Iām sure itās all above his pay grade as well.
Alsoā¦what you linked seems to be solely related to patents for the AI. Describes the ability to include LiDAR as a component of the system, but used as data gathering source. All of it sounds like they have detailed the path they have taken to get where they currently are, with Musk now saying they are last the point of needing the sensors for data collection.
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Of course you have nothing to add, you donāt even know what you are actually linking from X when you post.
I'm currently in Phoenix and was going to give one of those a try for the hell of it /csb
But it isnāt, and I have provided the receipts. Itās you who has been exposed as lacking basic reading comprehension skills, and general knowledge of the subject matter.
Again, I am referencing Elon himself. Is your argument really that Elon doesnāt know what he is talking about?
Respond with āproofā any of my statements are unfounded or inaccurateā¦or GTFO yourself.
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