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Weasel Gavin Newsome & California adopts nation's broadest gun seizure laws

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The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) opposed the bill, saying it "poses a significant threat to civil liberties" because a restraining order can be sought before a gun owner has an opportunity to dispute the request.

Additionally, those making a request under the new law may "lack the relationship or skills required to make an appropriate assessment," the ACLU said.

Illegal legislation such as this will not survive legal challenges!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ca...nJu_f19dGex2sBDSXF2MzT5MGVuXilaGNxWK8GlvHr20o
 
California has you twisting in the wind. How many threads a day before you tap out in frustration? “Politics is local” is a time honored premise. Pay attention to the problems in your state before throwing rocks at another.
 
California has you twisting in the wind. How many threads a day before you tap out in frustration? “Politics is local” is a time honored premise. Pay attention to the problems in your state before throwing rocks at another.

You have to admit that they are creating new restrictions and regulations at a breathtaking pace.
 
You have to admit that they are creating new restrictions and regulations at a breathtaking pace.
You do realize that PG&E was responsible for multiple deaths due to failure to maintain right of ways and equipment? Yet, they award stockholders, rather than going big time aggressive to minimize future issues.
Why is some dipstick mad at Cali in this situation?
 
You do realize that PG&E was responsible for multiple deaths due to failure to maintain right of ways and equipment? Yet, they award stockholders, rather than going big time aggressive to minimize future issues.
Why is some dipstick mad at Cali in this situation?

Today on HROT we've reported on a hotel plastic shampoo bottle ban AND a new prohibition on smoking/vaping at beaches and parks.

California is going crazy with new laws.
 
Today on HROT we've reported on a hotel plastic shampoo bottle ban AND a new prohibition on smoking/vaping at beaches and parks.

California is going crazy with new laws.
You can not come up with a reason to allow the little bottles to be allowed. I travel with my own products. The little bottles are one more source of unneeded trash that cost society on multiple fronts.
Vaping is quite obviously a public health disaster.
 
You can not come up with a reason to allow the little bottles to be allowed. I travel with my own products. The little bottles are one more source of unneeded trash that cost society on multiple fronts.
Vaping is quite obviously a public health disaster.

The little bottles are sized so as to be allowed on airplanes.

Vaping is not a public health disaster. The focus is on black market THC vapes. Juul isn't making anyone sick.
 
The little bottles are sized so as to be allowed on airplanes.

Vaping is not a public health disaster. The focus is on black market THC vapes. Juul isn't making anyone sick.
Any state can regulate consumer products. Bring your own little bottles the next time you travel to a state that outlaws them.
Oh, vaping is just beginning to show its true danger, even as another generation gets hooked by methods already outlawed in tobacco ads. Sheesh, you have no conscience.
 
Any state can regulate consumer products. Bring your own little bottles the next time you travel to a state that outlaws them.
Oh, vaping is just beginning to show its true danger, even as another generation gets hooked by methods already outlawed in tobacco ads. Sheesh, you have no conscience.

Vaping is quite certainly less dangerous than smoking.

Outlawing vaping will therefore bring a different sort of public health disaster: people going back to cigarettes.
 
Vaping is quite certainly less dangerous than smoking.

Outlawing vaping will therefore bring a different sort of public health disaster: people going back to cigarettes.
Vaping is producing lung cancer within just a few years of usage. Cigarettes usually took decades to do so. Public health disaster. Kudos to Cali for limiting the usage.
 
Citation needed.
https://www.nejm.org/vaping?query=p...IVip6fCh0YKQnUEAAYASAAEgIlH_D_BwE&cookieSet=1

September 27, 2019

Nearly 300 New Cases of Vaping-Related Lung Disease This Week
By the Editors

The CDC now reports 805 cases of confirmed or probable lung injury related to vaping, including e-cigarette use. This is an increase of 275 in the past week. Forty-six states have reported cases.

Some 38% of cases are in people aged 21 or younger.

A total of 12 people in 10 states have died.

LINK(S):
CDC surveillance page for vaping-related lung illness (Free)

Background: Physician's First Watch coverage of lung illnesses linked to vaping (Free)


Some 38% of cases are in people aged 21 or younger. That is not what I would call long term usage. This is a public health nightmare on the horizon.
 
https://www.nejm.org/vaping?query=p...IVip6fCh0YKQnUEAAYASAAEgIlH_D_BwE&cookieSet=1

September 27, 2019

Nearly 300 New Cases of Vaping-Related Lung Disease This Week
By the Editors

The CDC now reports 805 cases of confirmed or probable lung injury related to vaping, including e-cigarette use. This is an increase of 275 in the past week. Forty-six states have reported cases.

Some 38% of cases are in people aged 21 or younger.

A total of 12 people in 10 states have died.

LINK(S):
CDC surveillance page for vaping-related lung illness (Free)

Background: Physician's First Watch coverage of lung illnesses linked to vaping (Free)


Some 38% of cases are in people aged 21 or younger. That is not what I would call long term usage. This is a public health nightmare on the horizon.


I imagine he was talking about your cancer claim. This didn't provide insight into that. Do you have something on that part? I think we were all aware of the Black Market Vape products that were making people sick.

Are there any none black market products that are producing a similar effect? I have not seen any stories of that.

It seems to me this is a knee jerk reaction that may not have the intended effect. If in fact it is only the black market products causing these issues. Than a new law won't change that. Because the producers were already illegally making their product, illegally selling it, and buyers were illegally buying it. So how will an additional law stop something that was already happening in violation of existing law?
 
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I own my mistake in using the term lung cancer. Lung injury or pulmonary disease is more accurate.
Vaping ads are luring folks into use of a product with negative consequences, just as tobacco ads once did. Hopefully, no one is comfortable with allowing vape products to be marketed to kids.
Yes, black market products do seem to be a large part of the problem as well.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1912818

The definitive pathologic cause of these pulmonary disease cases remains unknown. Possible causes include the aerosolization of flavoring compounds of e-cigarette liquids, adulteration of devices with tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)–based oils or vitamin E, and use of black market vaping products.1,4 Findings from this report suggest that vaping-associated pulmonary disease cases have reached epidemic proportions. Incident cases continue to rise. Further surveillance is necessary to monitor the development and spread of this vaping-related outbreak.
 
https://www.nejm.org/vaping?query=p...IVip6fCh0YKQnUEAAYASAAEgIlH_D_BwE&cookieSet=1

September 27, 2019

Nearly 300 New Cases of Vaping-Related Lung Disease This Week
By the Editors

The CDC now reports 805 cases of confirmed or probable lung injury related to vaping, including e-cigarette use. This is an increase of 275 in the past week. Forty-six states have reported cases.

Some 38% of cases are in people aged 21 or younger.

A total of 12 people in 10 states have died.

LINK(S):
CDC surveillance page for vaping-related lung illness (Free)

Background: Physician's First Watch coverage of lung illnesses linked to vaping (Free)


Some 38% of cases are in people aged 21 or younger. That is not what I would call long term usage. This is a public health nightmare on the horizon.

That does not say what you initially claimed.
 
Notice above post. I have acknowledged that. Learn from someone owning up to an error.

Let's review this discussion:

I said that Juul isn't making anyone sick, and banning Juul would send people back to cigarettes, which would surely cause a worse public health situation.

You responded with crap about the lung illnesses.

Again, Juul isn't causing any of these lung illnesses.

Regulators have been itching to go after Juul for some time. This gives them a (false) reason to do so.
 
Let's review this discussion:

I said that Juul isn't making anyone sick, and banning Juul would send people back to cigarettes, which would surely cause a worse public health situation.

You responded with crap about the lung illnesses.

Again, Juul isn't causing any of these lung illnesses.

Regulators have been itching to go after Juul for some time. This gives them a (false) reason to do so.
Naw. Started out about the number of folks suffering lung issues after a relatively short period of vaping. I suggested lung cancer issues, then publicly retracted that suggestion. Instead, it is not cancer, but other diagnoses. The vape devices are like the old “entry drug” that so many painted pot with...
Vaping is a public health bomb waiting to go off. You seem OK with another generation getting hooked by creative advertising. What a terrible legacy you wish to leave.
 
Naw. Started out about the number of folks suffering lung issues after a relatively short period of vaping. I suggested lung cancer issues, then publicly retracted that suggestion. Instead, it is not cancer, but other diagnoses. The vape devices are like the old “entry drug” that so many painted pot with...
Vaping is a public health bomb waiting to go off. You seem OK with another generation getting hooked by creative advertising. What a terrible legacy you wish to leave.

Vaping has been "a thing" for more than a decade. I've seen no evidence that long-term vaping causes any harm. And certainly nothing compared to the danger of smoking.

The "short-term" vaping injuries are obviously NOT caused by what people have been vaping for years. It's something new.
 
Vaping has been "a thing" for more than a decade. I've seen no evidence that long-term vaping causes any harm. And certainly nothing compared to the danger of smoking.

The "short-term" vaping injuries are obviously NOT caused by what people have been vaping for years. It's something new.
Vaping, mainstream, has been pegged as starting in 2003 with a Chinese dude.
That is fairly short term for lung problems to begin to show up.
So, how long did it take for cigarettes to be widely acknowledged as cancer causing? This is just the beginning, and you don’t care how many will die early due to vaping. 95% of this product is produced in China.

Since their entrance to the market in 2003,[83] global use has risen exponentially.[109] In a 2014 survey, about 13% of American high school students reported using them at least once in the previous month,[110] and in 2015 around 10% of American adults were users.[111] In the UK, users have increased from 700,000 in 2012 to 2.6 million in 2015.[112] About 60% of UK users are smokers and about 40% are ex-smokers, while use among never-smokers in the UK is negligible.[112] Most still use traditional cigarettes, raising concern that dual use may "delay or deter quitting".[1] Most peoples' reason for using e-cigarettes involve trying to quit smoking, though a large proportion use them recreationally.[80] It is commonly stated that the modern e-cigarette was invented in 2003 by Chinese pharmacist Hon Lik, but tobacco companies had been developing nicotine aerosol generation devices since as early as 1963.[113] As of 2018, 95% of e-cigarettes were made in China.[65] Because of overlap with tobacco laws and medical drug policies, e-cigarette legislation is being debated in many countries.[114] The revised EU Tobacco Products Directive came into effect in May 2016, providing stricter regulations for e-cigarettes.[115] As of August 2016, the US FDA extended its regulatory power to include e-cigarettes.[116]Large tobacco companies have greatly increased their marketing efforts.[2] As of 2014, there were 466 brands of e-cigarettes,[117] with global sales of around $7 billion.[118]
 
Vaping, mainstream, has been pegged as starting in 2003 with a Chinese dude.
That is fairly short term for lung problems to begin to show up.
So, how long did it take for cigarettes to be widely acknowledged as cancer causing? This is just the beginning, and you don’t care how many will die early due to vaping. 95% of this product is produced in China.

Since their entrance to the market in 2003,[83] global use has risen exponentially.[109] In a 2014 survey, about 13% of American high school students reported using them at least once in the previous month,[110] and in 2015 around 10% of American adults were users.[111] In the UK, users have increased from 700,000 in 2012 to 2.6 million in 2015.[112] About 60% of UK users are smokers and about 40% are ex-smokers, while use among never-smokers in the UK is negligible.[112] Most still use traditional cigarettes, raising concern that dual use may "delay or deter quitting".[1] Most peoples' reason for using e-cigarettes involve trying to quit smoking, though a large proportion use them recreationally.[80] It is commonly stated that the modern e-cigarette was invented in 2003 by Chinese pharmacist Hon Lik, but tobacco companies had been developing nicotine aerosol generation devices since as early as 1963.[113] As of 2018, 95% of e-cigarettes were made in China.[65] Because of overlap with tobacco laws and medical drug policies, e-cigarette legislation is being debated in many countries.[114] The revised EU Tobacco Products Directive came into effect in May 2016, providing stricter regulations for e-cigarettes.[115] As of August 2016, the US FDA extended its regulatory power to include e-cigarettes.[116]Large tobacco companies have greatly increased their marketing efforts.[2] As of 2014, there were 466 brands of e-cigarettes,[117] with global sales of around $7 billion.[118]

You're really good at responding to a point with meaningless nonsense.
 
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You are really full of tobacco/vape promotion. You are OK with future kids dying from that shit. You are pitiful in promotion of death products. Yay, asshole.
 
You are really full of tobacco/vape promotion. You are OK with future kids dying from that shit. You are pitiful in promotion of death products. Yay, asshole.

Nicotine is a wonderful drug. It can wake you up, or calm you down. It can help you think through a problem, and celebrate success. It brings people together in the places where we're forced to congregate and enjoy a smoke together. Nicotine-fueled Americans beat the Nazis (who were not allowed to smoke). Nicotine, by itself, doesn't cause health problems. It's the delivery mechanism. And vaping is FAR less dangerous than burning tobacco leaves.
 
Nicotine is a wonderful drug. It can wake you up, or calm you down. It can help you think through a problem, and celebrate success. It brings people together in the places where we're forced to congregate and enjoy a smoke together. Nicotine-fueled Americans beat the Nazis (who were not allowed to smoke). Nicotine, by itself, doesn't cause health problems. It's the delivery mechanism. And vaping is FAR less dangerous than burning tobacco leaves.
Yep. You got it figured out. Obviously, you wish the same awful health problems on your kids and their generation. What a guy.
 
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It’s mildly amusing that cons suddenly fear states rights and think the ACLU is great. So I’m just going to point out, I told you so. :cool:
 
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It’s mildly amusing that cons suddenly fear states rights and think the ACLU is great. So I’m just going to point out, I told you so. :cool:
He's a dictator just like your hero Obiden.
Your wet dreams of him becoming POTUS went up in flames, along with the state he is destroying.
 
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