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What are these protests about?

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I guess I could place myself into the mindset of the "hands up, don't shoot" crowd, because they believed Dorian Johnson's tall tale. But, how does the BLM crowd protest these incidents with a straight face?

ST. LOUIS (AP) — Officers arrested at least nine people and deployed tear gas amid protests in St. Louis over the death of a black 18-year-old who was fatally shot by police after he pointed a gun at them, the city's police chief said.

Chief Sam Dotson said at a press conference late Wednesday night that a group of protesters who had blocked an intersection threw glass bottles and bricks at officers and refused orders to clear the roadway. Inert gas was used and when that had no effect on the crowd, police turned to tear gas to clear the intersection, Dotson said. Those arrested face charges of impeding the flow of traffic and resisting arrest, he said. A vacant building and at least one car were burned.

The demonstration was one of several Wednesday after the killing of 18-year-old Mansur Ball-Bey of St. Louis. Tensions were already high after violence erupted during events marking the anniversary of the death of Michael Brown, the 18-year-old fatally shot last year by a police officer in nearby Ferguson.

Two police officers serving a search warrant encountered two suspects Wednesday afternoon at a home in a crime-troubled section of the city's north side, one of which was Ball-Bey, the chief said. The suspects were fleeing the home as Ball-Bey, who was black, turned and pointed a handgun at the officers, who shot him, Dotson said. He died at the scene.

Both officers, who are white, were unharmed, according to a police report.

Police are searching for the second suspect, who they said is believed to be in his mid- to late teens.

Dotson said four guns, including the handgun wielded by the dead suspect, and crack cocaine were recovered at or near the home where illegal guns were found during a police search last year.

A man and woman inside the home were arrested, Dotson said.

Roughly 150 people gathered Wednesday afternoon near the scene of the shooting, questioning the use of deadly force. Some chanted "Black Lives Matter," a mantra used after Brown's death.

As police removed the yellow tape that cordoned off the scene, dozens of people converged on the home, many chanting insults and gesturing obscenely at officers. Several yelling onlookers surrounded individual officers.

"Another youth down by the hands of police," Dex Dockett, 42, who lives nearby, told a reporter. "What could have been done different to de-escalate rather than escalate? They (police) come in with an us-against-them mentality. You've got to have the right kind of cops to engage in these types of neighborhoods."

Another neighborhood resident, Fred Price, said he was skeptical about Dotson's account that the suspect pointed a gun at officers before being mortally wounded.

"They provoked the situation," Price, 33, said. "Situations like this make us want to keep the police out of the neighborhood. They're shooting first, then asking questions."

In addition to the nine arrests at the Wednesday night demonstration, officers responded to reports of burglaries in the area and the fire department was called after a car was set ablaze, according to Dotson.

He blamed the crimes on people seeking "notoriety" in a neighborhood "plagued by violence."

On Sunday, a 93-year-old veteran who was part of the famed Tuskegee Airmen — the U.S. military's first black aviators — was the victim of two crimes within minutes in the same area. The veteran was robbed and his car was stolen, but he was unhurt. His car was found Tuesday blocks from where it was taken.

Protests have become a familiar scene across the St. Louis region since Brown, who was black and unarmed, was fatally shot by Ferguson officer Darren Wilson on Aug. 9, 2014. A St. Louis County grand jury and the U.S. Justice Department declined to charge Wilson, who resigned in November.

Some of those who protested Ball-Bey's killing had already spent the morning in downtown St. Louis, marching to mark the anniversary of the fatal police shooting of Kajieme Powell. He was fatally shot by two St. Louis officers after police said he approached them with a knife. Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce is still reviewing the case to determine whether lethal force was justified.
 
Hopefully the cops had some type of body camera that will corroborate their claim that the guy pointed a gun at them. Honestly, I can't really blame the people for being skeptical after some of the stuff we've seen lately.
 
Hopefully the cops had some type of body camera that will corroborate their claim that the guy pointed a gun at them. Honestly, I can't really blame the people for being skeptical after some of the stuff we've seen lately.
Can't blame them? Educate yourself please. We all would be better off if anyone that is or will protest this 'passes' away.
 
Can't blame them? Educate yourself please. We all would be better off if anyone that is or will protest this 'passes' away.
So do you think it would be out of the realm of possibility for the cops to lie about the guy pointing a gun at them?
 
Hopefully the cops had some type of body camera that will corroborate their claim that the guy pointed a gun at them. Honestly, I can't really blame the people for being skeptical after some of the stuff we've seen lately.
I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to law enforcement officers in cases like this. How many cases of a fatal police shooting have occurred in which the victim was entirely without any culpability? Have they happened? Of course, but by and large the victim is not completely innocent.

My personal belief is that there are elements within many inner cities that are inciting such problems with police, just for the notoriety. The other day there was an incident in Dubuque in which a police officer was trying to break up a large fight, and the crowd then surrounded the policeman. According to him, he told the crowd to disperse and when they didn't he pepper sprayed some. Now, some of this crowd wants his blood. They were the 'effing' idiots who caused the situation!

I'm sick and tired of people behaving like ... well, I was going to say animals, but that would be an insult to animals ... like uncivilized degenerates.
 
The people interviewed in this piece are way out of touch with reality.

"Another youth down by the hands of police," Dex Dockett, 42, who lives nearby, told a reporter. "What could have been done different to de-escalate rather than escalate? They (police) come in with an us-against-them mentality. You've got to have the right kind of cops to engage in these types of neighborhoods." - Really??? The police executed a legal warrant and then got a gun pulled on them. What are they supposed to do? Pretty sure the pereson that pointed the gun at police got themselves killed.
 
To answer the OP, the protests are primarily about attention. Most who engage in the protests really don't care about the lost life that is the purported basis of the protest. They want the attention, and the media is more than happy to facilitate that. And the present administration, in the tradition of any left-wing organization, has no problem with it because the ends justify most any means.

If you can deceive the American public into believing a reality that is a fiction and then broadcast that "reality" to the masses, it becomes much easier to sell to the masses "solutions" to the problems argued to be inherent in that fictional reality.
 
So do you think it would be out of the realm of possibility for the cops to lie about the guy pointing a gun at them?

Not outside the realm of POSSIBILITY at all.

Let me ask you this, what odds would you place on it? And do those odds justify this reaction?

Now think about how this looks to people who understand the above.
 
In a "high-crime" neighborhood - the cops serving a warrant and guns, cocaine found in apartment. Yep sure they "made it up".

Probably need to let these "areas" police themselves, like Baltimore and Chicago and Detroit and Baton Rouge and the other "areas" of high crime.

YOu don't see any protests when they shoot each other, that's justified.
 
So do you think it would be out of the realm of possibility for the cops to lie about the guy pointing a gun at them?

Dotson said four guns, including the handgun wielded by the dead suspect, and crack cocaine were recovered at or near the home where illegal guns were found during a police search last year.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe that there is a strong possibility that the kid was pointing a gun at the cops. Sounds like a problem home that should be turned into a neighborhood garden.
 
Not outside the realm of POSSIBILITY at all.

Let me ask you this, what odds would you place on it? And do those odds justify this reaction?

Now think about how this looks to people who understand the above.
Doesn't justify the reaction. I never meant to insinuate it did. I was merely stating I understand why they would be skeptical. Protests would be fine. Riots and looting are ridiculous.
 
Doesn't justify the reaction. I never meant to insinuate it did. I was merely stating I understand why they would be skeptical. Protests would be fine. Riots and looting are ridiculous.

Agreed, but we all need to collectively call this behavior out. You know, "Alpha Up" and what not. Expect more, hell, expect SOMETHING from these communities.
 
The shooting may turn out to be justified. Police have been caught (recently) killing people, lying about what happened and even planting evidence to exonerate themselves.
But, the protests are really about a segment of the population that are unhappy with their society and their frustrations are boiling over.
 
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