What do we think of this essay on rivalries?
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They really did their homework
Is this written by an isu grad? This has to be a joke! I know there is some hate, but # 3! Also Iowa has more important rivalries in conference that actually mean something, and is never last in the conference unlike little brother!
"Both sides pretend they don't like playing each other" .... Wrong. One side truly hates it (at least annually) and the other revels in it.
But, I do agree that their is a good amount of hatred. I've lived in a few other states and the hatred amongst the Illinois, Indiana, and Colorado schools doesn't even compare to IOWA v isu. The only exception to that rule is Indiana v Purdue in basketball. That is a at a more heated level than our basketball series.
But, I do agree that their is a good amount of hatred. I've lived in a few other states and the hatred amongst the Illinois, Indiana, and Colorado schools doesn't even compare to IOWA v isu. The only exception to that rule is Indiana v Purdue in basketball. That is a at a more heated level than our basketball series.
Must be. I figured an isu grad, but northwestern makes sense as well.
Thats what I would assume. But I'm curious from someone not on our side.
PS- completely disagree with the trolling comment if we lose every game except that we would be okay. I'd demand everyone should be fired
Good stuff LoneClone.. as a matter of fact I root for ISU every game besides for the Iowa game of course as I want to see the state as a whole do well even though we are in different leagues.. hell yes I root for ISU and don't care what others think
I pull for ISU unless they are playing Iowa. Its rare to think like we do and many Iowa fans want ISU to get destroyed by 5 Tds each game.
ISU has a lot of Iowa kids on their team.
The real proof here is the fact that the article points out that its the Iowa Fans are the ones saying they don't want to play the game not the Iowa State fans. You very well know that this game is more important for Iowa State and that is why you never hear any Iowa State fans wanting to end the series. I would be very happy not to play the clowns every year. I have never heard a clown fan say they wanted the series to end. I have heard quite a few Iowa fans say end it. Why would that be?
I think the most heated this series got in recent times was the mid to late 00s. The 2005 game in Ames when Tate got hurt was about as bad as it got for us Iowa fans... or the 15-13 train wreck of a game in 2007.
But since then? Iowa has won 7 of 10, Ferentz is now over .500 against ISU, and Iowa hasn't lost in Ames in 6 years. Order has been restored.
But since then? Iowa has won 7 of 10, Ferentz is now over .500 against ISU, and Iowa hasn't lost in Ames in 6 years. Order has been restored.
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You know what will happen in the mid to late 2000's? If you have the poop on the early 2000's (2017 to 2050), I would be willing to pay you for information.
Good catch... fixed it for ya. (Only thing I can give you on the 2017-2050 stretch is that ISU football will go through about 7-8 head coaches.)
I hate Nebraska, I feel sorry for Iowa State. Kind of like a little brother that cannot get laid.
Same reason some Iowa fans don't want to play ISU: They would rather schedule a certain win. Other fans just can't handle the crap they take for a year after a loss (from those Hawkeye fans who "don't care" about the game). Some have had unfortunate experiences with Hawkeye fans at the games.
But I only linked the piece to yank some chains here. There are nowhere near as many ISU fans who want to end the series as there are Iowa fans....for all the reasons that are recounted here two or three times a year in the same thread.
It was just uneducated. He knew enough to hurt himself. Heres the part that got me. Iowa fans say they shouldnt play iowa state but dont have a problem playing that MAC team. Thats cause the MAC team is a home game and a necessary evil. Iowa state is the only home/away serious we have. We could do more with it. Now all that being said im a die hard fan that enjoys the cy-hawk series and its no question state of iowa fans do too. That was one hard/expensive ticket to get! And quite honestly I really dont know that theres that much hate between us. Ia st may hate us cause they beat us half the time and we refuse to acknowledge them as a worthy opponent. Thats enough to piss someone off over a 20 year span but as iowa fans we seriously dont take ia state seriously except to avoid embarrassment 1 week a year.
Fair enough and thanks for the response. To be honest, I don't think most Iowa fans want the game to end for a sure win. I think we want a "bigger brand team" so that if we lose its not as big of a deal. The perception of the people who want the game changed is that if we win the ISU game it does absolutely nothing for us. Sadly, dropping votes in one poll last week after winning doesn't do much to change that idea.
For the record, I hate this game for many reasons but I don't want to see it go away.
I am bias of course but I really dont see us rubbing in this win that much. Maybe until we play the next decent opponent. For instance maybe some fans are giving you crap till we play penn state or something but i know with my cyclone fans I at least respect them for not being bandwagon fans. The fans Id give crap to if there were Iowa born fans who had no ties to Mich but are michigan fans just cause theyre such a loser they have to tie themselves to winning things then make fun of lesser program fans. Ill light that guy up forever. But Iowa state fans Im surprised you exist with the way your program is! I cant hate on you for loving your team! I just dont understand why you do!
ISU has historically been a certain win. 43-22. In a Collegiare sport that is pretty dominating.
This is BS, Lone Clone. IOWA would happily schedule games they are predicted to lose (LSU, FSU, UG, ND) if they could eliminate this game, at least every other year. It would be great exposure (much greater than what people have now deemed "El Assico") with a chance to sharpen our skills against great teams. Win or lose, this is far better for the IOWA program.
I agree with you here. I didn't say anything but complementary things to my ISU coworkers.
One only need see how fans in Trice react when other game scores come across their interstate sign...and Iowa is losing. They routinely cheer. (Envy is a beatch)
When the same happens in Kinnick, few fans notice or care if the clones are losing. The biggest reaction you'll see, is if they appear to pulling a big upset.
This is absolutely correct. Ive been to 3-4 of the Osu/Mich games and the intensity and level of hate is unlike any other.
I have neighbors who graduated from Iowa State and it's always nice to beat them and earn bragging rights, but at the end of the day, we're still going to tailgate with one another and be friends. You dont see that at all in some of these other rivalries.
I agree and I have witnessed exactly what you are talking about.
If my determination was based completely on ISU fans, I would want ISU to lose each game 70-0.
I lived in Ankeny for a few years and I know all about ISU fans and their hatred for anything Iowa. They have a huge chip on their shoulders trying to represent the doormat of college football.
"This is the year" is their motto every August.
Ask your O Coordinator about that. Kirk said he was overjoyed after beating ISU, in the locker room smoking a cigar. Think he does that when you beat Indiana? The article says it best, the more you act like you don't like the game, the more important we know it is to you.
I do. Quote one IOWA fan who has said they want to eliminate ISU and replace them with "a certain win". Just one.
Sure, I can. I just posted this thread to pull chains, anyway, but since you ask....
If you're honest about it, everybody in this thread who demands an end to the series is wanting to replace ISU with a team Iowa can be pretty sure of beating; that's the whole point of your argument.
Just think about it for a bit. You (by "you" I don't necessarily mean you, specifically) say you want to get ISU off the schedule so you can play a "name" school. YOU CAN DO THAT NOW. Just replace North Texas or Wyoming with the "name" school.
What you want to do is have teams you can beat and ONE team that might beat you. You want to replace ISU with a team you can beat every year.
Nope, your argument doesn't work. The premise of your argument was that we want to stop playing ISU to schedule a certain win. This is not the case. Do we want to play at ISU and Georgia in the same year? No, but that has nothing to do with your original stance.
Look, I know you spend a lot of time on our board and probably think you know hawk fans better than we know ourselves, but you are incorrect here.
Most fans don't want to stop the series for the opportunity at a certain win.
The primary reasons are:
1) Lack of incentive. Iowa loses viability if they lose and gains virtually nothing when they win.
2) Exposure. Iowa could bring recruits to games in our primary recruiting markets if we had a head-to-head matchup with other schools in those areas and still have the opportunity to play ISU during their junior or senior season of high school, this not impending our chance of exposing them to the D1 programs in the state.
Ask any Iowa fan. Those are the reasons. Could reason #2 still be an available even if we did schedule two P5 contests in the non-conference? Yes, but reason #1 is the primary motivation for change, and again, your argument was that we want to stop playing ISU for a certain win elsewhere, and that holds no water. Certain wins are also a ridiculous concept. If you had been more honest in the assessment and said stop playing ISU to schedule a "win that doesn't hurt your standing", as the ISU contest did this year, we could perhaps agree.
I get what you are saying. I'm a State fan who wouldn't mind if the series went two on two off. We are the team that needs to schedule wins. Playing Iowa every year is pretty much adding another game to the schedule we are never favored to win. Sure we win our share, but it is far from guaranteed.
The best way for ISU to raise their stature is to WIN games and go to bowl games. Having a "coin-flip" type game in the non-con is not a way to do that until we get better. That starts by getting to the point where we go 3-0 in the non-con every year. Playing Iowa doesn't help that.
That said, you guys never had a problem playing ISU every year back in the day when you were kicking our ass every single time. Now that the teams are more comparable/competitive you wan't the series to end because "the game is a lose/lose for you". Wasn't it a lose/lose all those years you stomped us? Or did that just become a thing when we started winning half the time? This argument is the EXACT same thing Iowa State fans are saying about UNI now, and is equally hypocritical. We never had any problem playing UNI before they started beating us half the time. Now we have people saying "the game is a lose/lose for us". Same thing.
Anyway - This would be a non-argument if Iowa State was a better team, and won more games every year.
You and TouchdownbyPant don't seem stupid, so I can only assume you simply don't want to recognize reality when you get hit upside the head with it.
1. I didn't say most Iowa fans wanted to end the ISU series because they preferred a team they can beat. I said "some."
2. I just explained why this is unquestionably the truth. Let me make it even simpler, then I'll KNOW that if you claim to not understand it, you are in denial and I needn't waste any more time.
The fans I was talking about want to play 2 teams they would almost always beat and a P5 team. Just like now, except they want to play some P5 team other than ISU. They don't want to play both ISU and this unnamed other P5 team because that would mean eliminating a team they will almost always beat. If Iowa was currently playing ISU, Notre Dame and SW Vermont Tech, they would want to drop the ISU game.
If you can't grasp this, there is nothing more I can do for you.
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