The '17 class would be epic on paper at least. What an opportunity for this kid Iowa can be. One '97 on the roster and Holloway is not the answer ( w/ all due respect ). Anyone have an idea were he's leaning?
What if: Chase Singletary to Iowa?
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How do we know Holloway is not the answer? He has not had a chance to even prove he is or is not the answer. Unless you are in deep on some inside info others have yet to learn that is.
Not sure I can agree on Holloway, but we will have a pretty good idea soon (as in this fall), but I am very interested to know about Singletary. I have not seen anything about where his interest lie. Anyone have any insight on this? Would love to see him at Iowa.
I don't think I've seen anything at all regarding his recruitment. I thought someone indicated Warner was getting big and he is on our radar. I was hoping he might be our next incoming 197.
Edit: Hawk 1497 indicated Warner was over 200# on his visit a couple weeks back.
Edit: Hawk 1497 indicated Warner was over 200# on his visit a couple weeks back.
I can confirm that he wants to wrestle 195 this season and his top 5 are (in no order): Iowa, Illinois, NC State, Ohio State, and Purdue.
Also note on Singletary, he plays football so I am not sure how that will effect him as far as his timeline on when he takes visits and commits.
I love to speculate on this stuff, but is there ANY indication he's considering the Hawks? More likely we get Warner.
It's also foolish to turn down top ten recruits
Nothing. What is wrong with you that you are clearly over reacting to me saying pretty much, Holloway might be good, but Iowa should still go after top ten talent at that weight?
As Jim Gibbon would say, no shit.
This thread is about Simgletary. Some people on this board are huge defenders of Holloway to the point of being extreme. I just said we should still go after Singletary.
Maybe you should chill out because you are clearly worked up over something that is really tiny.
I try getting my wife worked up over something that's really tiny but it never works.
I don't see Holloway as the answer to 197. It would be a pleasant surprise if he turns it up a few notches from the little we saw of him last season. I'd like to see a top ten recruit at every weight and am tired of settling for projects to fill weight classes.
Was not raggin on the guy FYI. C'mon man we ONLY have 1 guy at '97! Irregardless we need Singletary/ bodies to wrestle in the room. I have heard a few tidbits from a good source that Holloway is in fact pretty good, not elite. I hope Holloway wins a NT someday --- but I'm not betting on it
Please post some examples of the extreme Holloway support. While you are at it post one instance where any fan has suggested we don't recruit top 10 guys. TIA
Again you are way too worked over this. I never once said Iowa doesn't recruit top ten guys, I merely implied that you don't stop recruiting top ten guys at a particular weight because you have someone you like at that same spot. You are making a bit of a straw man argument there in saying that I said Iowa doesn't recruit top ten guys..
As for your Holloway examples (Search function made this real easy by the way):
"Holloway is going to surprise some folks if that gas tank is in check. He is very athletic for that weight." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/wilcke-and-holloway.116283/#post-2553648
(Apparently I am not the only one noticing the amount of posts Holloway gets
)"197-Wilke and Holloway are here. Apparently Holloway has everyone's eye" https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...ed-to-get-on-right-track.115230/#post-2526669"At 197 I don't we are in as much trouble as people think. Holloway is as strong as an ox and I think rolling around with Burak for a year will do him wonders." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/sorenson-kemerer.111072/#post-2425920
"Cash Wilke at 184 and Steven Holloway at 197 are no slouches." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-next-big-question.121740/#post-2688477
"Wilcke and Holloway are not holes in the line up. Wilcke beat Ritter this year who was a top ten recruit. Everyone is real high on this 97 guy from tOSU Moore and Holloway pinned him last year at Disnay duals. Wilcke and Holloway were tri-state athletes in high school and didn't wrestle half the year. Both guys have a lot of potential and we all know what TnT can do with that." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/whos-next.121704/#post-2686155
(This was putting these guys in the same group as Mejia, Happel, Lee, etc) "Turk, Wagner, Rathbun, Wilcke, and Holloway won't be pushovers either." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/on-lee-teasdale-and-mejia.121584/#post-2683785
The defense rests. Clearly several posters are really high on Holloway even though he has yet to notch a big win to date. Let me state that there is nothing wrong with these posters opinions (don't want them upset with me either), but it's pretty clear that there is big support without a huge resume to go on.
Your idea of extreme support is different than mine. Just because I think you have voices screaming in your head doesn't make me worked up. You freaking out about Brewer going to PSU makes a good case for you to plead insanity. Plead guilty now and I will just give you a slap on the wrist.Again you are way too worked over this. I never once said Iowa doesn't recruit top ten guys, I merely implied that you don't stop recruiting top ten guys at a particular weight because you have someone you like at that same spot. You are making a bit of a straw man argument there in saying that I said Iowa doesn't recruit top ten guys..
As for your Holloway examples (Search function made this real easy by the way):
"Holloway is going to surprise some folks if that gas tank is in check. He is very athletic for that weight." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/wilcke-and-holloway.116283/#post-2553648
(Apparently I am not the only one noticing the amount of posts Holloway gets
"At 197 I don't we are in as much trouble as people think. Holloway is as strong as an ox and I think rolling around with Burak for a year will do him wonders." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/sorenson-kemerer.111072/#post-2425920
"Cash Wilke at 184 and Steven Holloway at 197 are no slouches." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-next-big-question.121740/#post-2688477
"Wilcke and Holloway are not holes in the line up. Wilcke beat Ritter this year who was a top ten recruit. Everyone is real high on this 97 guy from tOSU Moore and Holloway pinned him last year at Disnay duals. Wilcke and Holloway were tri-state athletes in high school and didn't wrestle half the year. Both guys have a lot of potential and we all know what TnT can do with that." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/whos-next.121704/#post-2686155
(This was putting these guys in the same group as Mejia, Happel, Lee, etc) "Turk, Wagner, Rathbun, Wilcke, and Holloway won't be pushovers either." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/on-lee-teasdale-and-mejia.121584/#post-2683785
The defense rests. Clearly several posters are really high on Holloway even though he has yet to notch a big win to date. Let me state that there is nothing wrong with these posters opinions (don't want them upset with me either), but it's pretty clear that there is big support without a huge resume to go on.
Ok. If you don't get the point I was trying to make that is fine. I have no "beef" with you. I am entitled to my opinion and you to yours.
If you don't think Brewer to NLWC moves the needle at all that's you. I think it does have significance. Not sure why that gets you all riled up. Maybe your the one with voices in your head because if you read that thread you would see that I said I wasn't in "doom and gloom/sky is falling mode". If you want to act like I was "freaking out" that's your narrative.
Same as people in this thread saying "go after Singletary" and then others say "how do you know Holloway isn't the answer?" And all I said is why not have both.
Have a good day. Jay out.
I think we can all agree that Holloway is a freak athlete with a ton of upside. Aside from that he has yet to prove anything. I think all of hawk nation is worried about the 197lb spot next year. Really, the only thing we have to go off of is a couple closes loses to Evan Hansen and his midlands performance. He could have the off season that Pfarr had last year but well have to wait and see. I hope he shocks all of us and comes out like a wrecking machine. With that we would be stupid to not be recruiting other upper weights. I'm sure Brands and co are all over it. Warner would be a great piece to the puzzle.
I'll admit I haven't seen Holloway wrestle. By many accounts he is very athletic which is great to hear and suggests potential. That said, according to U of I wrestling site, he went 1-2 at Midlands and finished 5th at Harold Nichols. While he may prove to be the "answer," it's hard to see that now. Hope I'm wrong.
Iowa needs some help in several of the upper weights, imho.
Iowa has zero recruits ranked in the top 10 of their weight class at 182, 195, 220, and Hwt for the HS classes of 2016 and 2017. Quite a contrast compared to the lower weights, where the cup runneth over.
Would love to see an all out push to recruit Singletary.
Iowa needs some help in several of the upper weights, imho.
Iowa has zero recruits ranked in the top 10 of their weight class at 182, 195, 220, and Hwt for the HS classes of 2016 and 2017. Quite a contrast compared to the lower weights, where the cup runneth over.
Would love to see an all out push to recruit Singletary.
I think if I had to choose between Warner and Singletary, I would prefer Warner, which is not a knock at all on Singletary as I would still be very happy to get him if he decides to come to Iowa. I think we have a better shot at landing Warner, and it sounds like he will also be a 197 in college. My dream scenario is Berge and Warner growing into 184 and 197 respectively and both committing to the Hawks I'm more confident in Warner at 197 at this point, but I think Berge at the very least will be a 174.
I'm more confident in Warner at 197 at this point, but I think Berge at the very least will be a 174.
That's what you call extreme Holloway support? Wow, then the people who want to write him off already after a redshirt year are triple dog extreme. I don't think anyone says if a Top 10 recruit for 197 came knocking on the door they should be turned away. They're just saying they don't believe he's worth writing off yet. Reading comprehension?Again you are way too worked over this. I never once said Iowa doesn't recruit top ten guys, I merely implied that you don't stop recruiting top ten guys at a particular weight because you have someone you like at that same spot. You are making a bit of a straw man argument there in saying that I said Iowa doesn't recruit top ten guys..
As for your Holloway examples (Search function made this real easy by the way):
"Holloway is going to surprise some folks if that gas tank is in check. He is very athletic for that weight." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/wilcke-and-holloway.116283/#post-2553648
(Apparently I am not the only one noticing the amount of posts Holloway gets
"At 197 I don't we are in as much trouble as people think. Holloway is as strong as an ox and I think rolling around with Burak for a year will do him wonders." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/sorenson-kemerer.111072/#post-2425920
"Cash Wilke at 184 and Steven Holloway at 197 are no slouches." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-next-big-question.121740/#post-2688477
"Wilcke and Holloway are not holes in the line up. Wilcke beat Ritter this year who was a top ten recruit. Everyone is real high on this 97 guy from tOSU Moore and Holloway pinned him last year at Disnay duals. Wilcke and Holloway were tri-state athletes in high school and didn't wrestle half the year. Both guys have a lot of potential and we all know what TnT can do with that." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/whos-next.121704/#post-2686155
(This was putting these guys in the same group as Mejia, Happel, Lee, etc) "Turk, Wagner, Rathbun, Wilcke, and Holloway won't be pushovers either." https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/on-lee-teasdale-and-mejia.121584/#post-2683785
The defense rests. Clearly several posters are really high on Holloway even though he has yet to notch a big win to date. Let me state that there is nothing wrong with these posters opinions (don't want them upset with me either), but it's pretty clear that there is big support without a huge resume to go on.
I see Holloway as a guy who might get on the podium in a couple of years, not an instant impact guy. Some competition in the room is necessary in case he doesn't develop into someone who can be on the upper podium.
Maybe she just can't see your point.
Best post of the thread, hands down. Shoot -- probably the best post of the MONTH!
I hereby declare choosenuetral the official winner of the internet for 5/18/16.
First off this a Hawkeye board, we don't use "irregardless."
Why the big debate? We have four 125 pounders coming in, but two 97s is not having confidence in Holloway? I'll take the top three at every weight and let them fight it out. Either you can or you can't hold your spot, it's wrestling and they know how the sport works.
If we recruit the #2 p4p at a weight one year, I'll take the #1 the next year and let them roll. Only good things can come from that.
As long as they are rolling on mats or maybe on grass like at the park. Rolling on asphalt or concrete (like say a bridge) can be potentially dangerous irregardless of how tough you are.
Isn't this what PSU has been doing for the past several years? If they are willing to come and are not afraid of competition, you get as many as possible.
I would be more concerned about spending too much on 197-pounders than on any other weight. It's a big cut from 197 to 184, and there aren't many Kyle Snyders who can jump from 197 to heavyweight and still be elite. It's easier for the lighter weights to sort themselves out. Not dissing Singletary, but I REALLY like Warner.
Warner and Singletary weren't ranked P4P when the SR's were left in, but they will be when the SR's are removed (after Akron).
On the JR Big Board Singletary is #4 and Warner is #11
On the JR Big Board Singletary is #4 and Warner is #11
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