When the West Coast States Want to Secede, Will Republican 1-Party Rule Let Them? - Now with POLL

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Lefties like me have sometimes kidded that the next time the South wants to secede (or Texas), we should let them.

From my point of view, the remaining US would have much-improved values.

Right now, however, it seems more likely that some blue states - maybe the west coast, maybe New England, maybe some others - will be the ones thinking about leaving the Union.

Our nation's only prior experience taught us that secession was never to be allowed. But as hallowed as that principle may seem, if the current Supreme Court has taught us anything, it's that history, precedent and $3 will buy you a cup of black Starbucks coffee.

So . . . since it's probable that the GOP will sweep Congress in a few months, and also likely that they will take the White House in 2024 - never to relinquish any branch of government in our lifetimes - what do you think will happen if, say, California, Oregon and Washington ask to leave the Union?

Would the Republican federal government let them?

Should the Republican federal government let them?

If not, will there be another Civil War?

If there is another Civil War along these lines, which side will you be on?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

What are the blue states reasons for seceding?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

What are the blue states reasons for seceding?

Anti-democratic actions in red states.

Look at the recent SCOTUS decisions.

Consider the next round of likely SCOTUS decisions.

Tired of sending money to red states.

Desire to have a nation/government that's sane on climate change.

Keep religion out of government and public schools.

Lots more reasons.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Anti-democratic actions in red states.

Look at the recent SCOTUS decisions.

Consider the next round of likely SCOTUS decisions.

Tired of sending money to red states.

Desire to have a nation/government that's sane on climate change.

Keep religion out of government and public schools.

Lots more reasons.

Doesn’t seem like those rise to the level of secession.

 

[SIXERS24]

Do these people realize a large majority of the Military have red state views

 

[SI_NYC]

Do these people realize a large majority of the Military have red state views

Do you realize the blue states pay a majority of the military’s budget.

 

[83Hawk]

Nobody is seceding. Good grief.

 

[dandh]

No, because it would screw up the B1G conference. Nobody's messing with our sweet TV rights deal.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Nobody is seceding. Good grief.

This. It’s never going to happen, nor should it.

 

[fezzador]

in 15 years the majority of Boomers will either be deceased, or at least lack any real political power. As of late, our nation’s government has been dominated by geriatrics whose mental faculties have been questioned. Washington has increasingly looked like America’s population over the past decade - it’s older, out-of-touch with reality, and only going full-speed-ahead with whatever faction they belong to.

Age and term limits will be implemented for all branches of government at some point over the next couple of decades I believe, but there will be some major pushback before it’s formalized.

 

[SIXERS24]

Just because the Base is in a blue state that really means nothing.

There were Forts in the south during the Civil War.

You have to remember it's the Blue States who will be playing the role of the Confederacy.

 

[mnole03]

Nobody is seceding. Good grief.

We’ll do it. Colorado will reroute the Arkansas River into the Colorado River and leave dog poop on Nebraska’s door step on our way out.

 

[swagsurfer02]

Can’t keep anyone that doesn’t want to be kept….

 

[SA_Hawk]

There are more registered Republicans in California than any other state in the country.

 

[goldmom]

There are more registered Republicans in California than any other state in the country.

I did not know that!

 

[notlongago]

in 15 years the majority of Boomers will either be deceased, or at least lack any real political power. As of late, our nation’s government has been dominated by geriatrics whose mental faculties have been questioned. Washington has increasingly looked like America’s population over the past decade - it’s older, out-of-touch with reality, and only going full-speed-ahead with whatever faction they belong to.

Age and term limits will be implemented for all branches of government at some point over the next couple of decades I believe, but there will be some major pushback before it’s formalized.

Why would any of them vote to fire themselves?

 

[TarponSpringsNole]

Where do you come up with these hypotheticals?

 

[coloradonoles]

There are more registered Republicans in California than any other state in the country.

True, but with a major caveat...

19 states don't register by party... many of them in the South.

There are not more Republicans in CA than there are in Texas.

 

[Tom Paris]

Doesn’t seem like those rise to the level of secession.

Living under authoritarian rule doesn’t seem like a reason? Minority, radical white Christian Nationalist rule? Don’t rise to the level? I mean, why did we leave England?

 

[Tom Paris]

in 15 years the majority of Boomers will either be deceased, or at least lack any real political power. As of late, our nation’s government has been dominated by geriatrics whose mental faculties have been questioned. Washington has increasingly looked like America’s population over the past decade - it’s older, out-of-touch with reality, and only going full-speed-ahead with whatever faction they belong to.

Age and term limits will be implemented for all branches of government at some point over the next couple of decades I believe, but there will be some major pushback before it’s formalized.

Republicans will never allow any of this when they gain full control. Only they will win National elections.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Living under authoritarian rule doesn’t seem like a reason? Minority, radical white Christian Nationalist rule? Don’t rise to the level? I mean, why did we leave England?

 

[WDSMHAWK]

There are more registered Republicans in California than any other state in the country.

It's a shame that their votes in presidential elections are meaningless due to the electoral college.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

Where do you come up with these hypotheticals?

Stops them from suicide

 

[IaHawk44]

Do these people realize a large majority of the Military have red state views

Red state views, lol.

 

[Tom Paris]

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So you say…because you refuse to see what’s going on in front of your own eyes. Just look at who wanted the last 3 SC justices on the court and what they are already doing. Overturning Roe was a minority, radical Christian decision. So again, you’re wrong.

 

[Chishawk1425]

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You said the same when I warned Trump was setting the stage for an insurrection Nov 2020

 

[ATLNole1]

Can USC and UCLA remain in the B1G under this scenario?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Do these people realize a large majority of the Military have red state views

That's a scary part of what is unfolding now.

Can you count on the military to uphold democracy?

Is that a question that's ever been asked since the Civil War?

Even Kent State didn't make me worry this much about the extent to which our institutions have been corrupted.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

You have to remember it's the Blue States who will be playing the role of the Confederacy.

What's your point?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

This. It’s never going to happen, nor should it.

Schismogenesis is accelerating in America.

 

[seminole97]

This. It’s never going to happen, nor should it.

The principles of the Declaration of Independence strike me as for all time, not just that time.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these [Blue States]; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

So you say…because you refuse to see what’s going on in front of your own eyes. Just look at who wanted the last 3 SC justices on the court and what they are already doing. Overturning Roe was a minority, radical Christian decision. So again, you’re wrong.

Yes, a coach praying after the game is one step away from Christian rule. Get a grip…

States can decide how they handle abortion. People can decide with their votes=authoritarian rule. Get a grip.

Being against those decisions is totally legit. Saying democracy will end and we’re going to have Christian sharia law if Republicans are elected is just hyperbolic nonsense

 

[Chishawk1425]

Yes, a coach praying after the game is one step away from Christian rule. Get a grip…

States can decide how they handle abortion. People can decide with their votes=authoritarian rule. Get a grip.

Being against those decisions is totally legit. Saying democracy will end and we’re going to have Christian sharia law if Republicans are elected is just hyperbolic nonsense

As the states make it harder to vote to hold onto power and are trying to make it they can ignore the will of the people and send their own electors for the Electoral vote count. That case goes before the SCOTUS in October. When the illegitimate SCOTUS rules in their favor what will be your excuse then?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

As the states make it harder to vote to hold onto power and are trying to make it they can ignore the will of the people and send their own electors for the Electoral vote count. That case goes before the SCOTUS in October. When the illegitimate SCOTUS rules in their favor what will be your excuse then?

Better pass this then

Congress nears deal to reform how Electoral College votes are counted

A bipartisan group of lawmakers on Capitol Hill have agreed on a framework to reform the Electoral Count Act. It governs the way Congress counts and certifies Electoral College votes during the presidential election, and it has become the subject of scrutiny after the Jan. 6 attack on the...

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[Chishawk1425]

Better pass this then

Congress nears deal to reform how Electoral College votes are counted

A bipartisan group of lawmakers on Capitol Hill have agreed on a framework to reform the Electoral Count Act. It governs the way Congress counts and certifies Electoral College votes during the presidential election, and it has become the subject of scrutiny after the Jan. 6 attack on the...

www.pbs.org

Not enough. It doesn't go far enough to override what these anti American states are going to do.

 

[ROHawk 44]

Lefties like me have sometimes kidded that the next time the South wants to secede (or Texas), we should let them.

From my point of view, the remaining US would have much-improved values.

Right now, however, it seems more likely that some blue states - maybe the west coast, maybe New England, maybe some others - will be the ones thinking about leaving the Union.

Our nation's only prior experience taught us that secession was never to be allowed. But as hallowed as that principle may seem, if the current Supreme Court has taught us anything, it's that history, precedent and $3 will buy you a cup of black Starbucks coffee.

So . . . since it's probable that the GOP will sweep Congress in a few months, and also likely that they will take the White House in 2024 - never to relinquish any branch of government in our lifetimes - what do you think will happen if, say, California, Oregon and Washington ask to leave the Union?

Would the Republican federal government let them?

Should the Republican federal government let them?

If not, will there be another Civil War?

If there is another Civil War along these lines, which side will you be on

Lefties like me have sometimes kidded that the next time the South wants to secede (or Texas), we should let them.

From my point of view, the remaining US would have much-improved values.

Right now, however, it seems more likely that some blue states - maybe the west coast, maybe New England, maybe some others - will be the ones thinking about leaving the Union.

Our nation's only prior experience taught us that secession was never to be allowed. But as hallowed as that principle may seem, if the current Supreme Court has taught us anything, it's that history, precedent and $3 will buy you a cup of black Starbucks coffee.

So . . . since it's probable that the GOP will sweep Congress in a few months, and also likely that they will take the White House in 2024 - never to relinquish any branch of government in our lifetimes - what do you think will happen if, say, California, Oregon and Washington ask to leave the Union?

Would the Republican federal government let them?

Should the Republican federal government let them?

If not, will there be another Civil War?

If there is another Civil War along these lines, which side will you be on?

Imagine what this country would be like if Lincoln just freed the slaves and let the Confederate states go at the end of the war. We could have fleeced them while "helping" them during reconstruction.

Most of the crazy that happens, those states have had a large part in it in some way.

The huge immigration problem that people complain about. Would not be the US's problem. They would all be flowinf into the CSA. Florida speaks for itself. I'm sure Disneyland would be much better.

Lincoln was like the abusive guy that won't let a girlfriend break up with them. "Yes, we have polar opposite views but I will never let you leave me as long as I live!"

Lefties like me have sometimes kidded that the next time the South wants to secede (or Texas), we should let them.

From my point of view, the remaining US would have much-improved values.

Right now, however, it seems more likely that some blue states - maybe the west coast, maybe New England, maybe some others - will be the ones thinking about leaving the Union.

Our nation's only prior experience taught us that secession was never to be allowed. But as hallowed as that principle may seem, if the current Supreme Court has taught us anything, it's that history, precedent and $3 will buy you a cup of black Starbucks coffee.

So . . . since it's probable that the GOP will sweep Congress in a few months, and also likely that they will take the White House in 2024 - never to relinquish any branch of government in our lifetimes - what do you think will happen if, say, California, Oregon and Washington ask to leave the Union?

Would the Republican federal government let them?

Should the Republican federal government let them?

If not, will there be another Civil War?

If there is another Civil War along these lines, which side will

 

[seminole97]

Not enough. It doesn't go far enough to override what these anti American states are going to do.

If Blue states seceded, would you move to one, or stay in the Red States of America?

 

[Chishawk1425]

If Blue states seceded, would you move to one, or stay in the Red States of America?

We are out of Iowa within the decade, regardless. State is a dumpster fire because of the Iowa GOP

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

The principles of the Declaration of Independence strike me as for all time, not just that time.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these [Blue States]; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

Ok?

 

[nolesincebirth]

No. The last time the Democrats tried this the Republicans had to stop it then too.