When will the pining for Wiegers start?

[JRHawk2003]

After a few nice throws in the Spring Game?

After the first bad game from Beathard?


My guess is that it will be a combo of looking good in the Spring game, and then a bad game for Beathard and bang....its "Bring in Wiegers!" time.

 

[4th & 9 inches]

For Kilroy, four seconds after he sees your thread.

 

[makeachange]

This is CJ's team. Thank you Jake,but, this is CJ's team. ...and Boyle might have something to say about Wiegers starting.

 

[ZaHawks]

Originally posted by JRHawk2003:
After a few nice throws in the Spring Game?

After the first bad game from Beathard?


My guess is that it will be a combo of looking good in the Spring game, and then a bad game for Beathard and bang....its "Bring in Wiegers!" time.

You're really trolling today, aren't you!

 

[texas twister]

Originally posted by ZaHawks:

Originally posted by JRHawk2003:
After a few nice throws in the Spring Game?

After the first bad game from Beathard?


My guess is that it will be a combo of looking good in the Spring game, and then a bad game for Beathard and bang....its "Bring in Wiegers!" time.

You're really trolling today, aren't you!

He certainly is. Someone buy the dude a bottle of Viagra so he will have something else to do. Obviously an old and improperly functioning man.

 

[InsaneHawk]

Originally posted by JRHawk2003:
After a few nice throws in the Spring Game?

After the first bad game from Beathard?


My guess is that it will be a combo of looking good in the Spring game, and then a bad game for Beathard and bang....its "Bring in Wiegers!" time.

Now that the best QB is starting, my guess is never.

BTW - to those of you with this lame argument, you sure do have a short memory. During the Ferentz era I don't recall people demanding the backup for Ricky Stanzi, Brad Banks, and Drew Tate. You know why? They were the best QB on their respective teams. This situation will be much similar.....now the true question is....will you support him?

 

[texas twister]

If Wiegers can prove himself to be the best qb, bring him in. There, it already started. Of course, I feel this way about every position. The player that demonstrates to be the best and has earned the nod, give him the go.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by JRHawk2003:
After a few nice throws in the Spring Game?

After the first bad game from Beathard?


My guess is that it will be a combo of looking good in the Spring game, and then a bad game for Beathard and bang....its "Bring in Wiegers!" time.

Probably, but that is common amongst most teams. I think our recent QB issues have more to do with the system/coaching than the players themselves.

I say be excited for the change and watch what happens. I'm interested to see how Wiegers looks if he gets some clean up duty this coming season.

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

Originally posted by JRHawk2003:
After a few nice throws in the Spring Game?

After the first bad game from Beathard?


My guess is that it will be a combo of looking good in the Spring game, and then a bad game for Beathard and bang....its "Bring in Wiegers!" time.

This is exactly what a bunch of these whinny, entitled, idiots will do. Watch......

 

[pocha444444]

Originally posted by MattFoleyHawk:

Originally posted by JRHawk2003:
After a few nice throws in the Spring Game?

After the first bad game from Beathard?


My guess is that it will be a combo of looking good in the Spring game, and then a bad game for Beathard and bang....its "Bring in Wiegers!" time.

This is exactly what a bunch of these whinny, entitled, idiots will do. Watch......

If Beathard gets hurt or is playing terribly and Wiegers comes in and looks like the more dynamic player, then why wouldn't fans be calling for Wiegers if Kirk continues to play Beathard?

 

[TampaHawkfan]

If some of you guys hate these boards so much, why do you spend so much time out here b!tching and complaining about it? Serious question.

 

[Hawkeye2222]

the poster claiming nobody wanted JVB to replace Stanzi is WRONG, after how JVB played in that O$U game poster were starting then in 2010 the howls began in earnest for JVB to start, in 2006 People were also clamoring for JC to replace Tate,

this has been going on for decades, as I keep quoting Hayden who said it best

"only in the fans eyes is the BACKUP QB the best"

as for the prespring 2 deeps all those are good for is to provide motivation to the Players and fodder for the internet/off the internet FANS to read. and NOTHING more. cheap entertainment fodder to take up time till spring practice and the fall practice.

that 2 deep will change numerous time between now and the 1st game, injuries, players pass by and some just plain leaving for 0ne reason or another,

LB spearman was listed as the backup at the MLB spot and he left and now his name has been completely removed from the roster and the 2 deeps, this has not happened with JR, but the ANTI-JR crowd sure want him gone. as they still see him as a threat to their GOD CJ.

 

[timt1986]

Now that the best QB is starting, my guess is never.

BTW - to those of you with this lame argument, you sure do have a short memory. During the Ferentz era I don't recall people demanding the backup for Ricky Stanzi, Brad Banks, and Drew Tate. You know why? They were the best QB on their respective teams. This situation will be much similar.....now the true question is....will you support him?

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[CoachoftheFuture1]

JR giving up and leaving is the best thing he could have done for Iowa football--presuming he doesn't have the power to fire KF and his staff. Now there's no QB controversy, nor will there be one. It's Beathard's team now. Period. No more lying from KF's lips about playing two QBs. CJ has the keys for the next two years and, with any kind of reasonable offensive game plan, the Hawkeyes will finally, truly have their best chance to win with Beathard running things.

And as far as making mistakes and having bad games goes, remember that not even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson is perfect. They have bad games. They -- eek -- throw interceptions, sometimes on the goal line that lose the Super Bowl. But they also play to win. They are aggressive. And I'll take that over the good Doc Rudock every day of the week, and especially on Saturday.

 

[Hawkeye2222]

coach a true JR hater to the end, and timt READ MY POST above yours but since I see you only have 69 posts and have ben here for only 24 months I can forgive your ignorance of the history of the IA QB's, this goes on across the country at every school at EVERY LEVEL, the backup is ALWAYS THE BEST QB, in the fans mind as they know more than the coaches do about who to play and who to recruit, todays internet just allows to post it as a god given FACT. when in realitiy it is pure garbage they are spewing as they don't know JACK.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by Hawkeye2222:

coach a true JR hater to the end, and timt READ MY POST above yours but since I see you only have 69 posts and have ben here for only 24 months I can forgive your ignorance of the history of the IA QB's, this goes on across the country at every school at EVERY LEVEL, the backup is ALWAYS THE BEST QB, in the fans mind as they know more than the coaches do about who to play and who to recruit, todays internet just allows to post it as a god given FACT. when in realitiy it is pure garbage they are spewing as they don't know JACK.

Well we didn't make the depth chart. The coaches did Kilroy.

 

[Dude McHawks]

Originally posted by Hawkeye2222:

the poster claiming nobody wanted JVB to replace Stanzi is WRONG, after how JVB played in that O$U game poster were starting then in 2010 the howls began in earnest for JVB to start, in 2006 People were also clamoring for JC to replace Tate,

this has been going on for decades, as I keep quoting Hayden who said it best

"only in the fans eyes is the BACKUP QB the best"

as for the prespring 2 deeps all those are good for is to provide motivation to the Players and fodder for the internet/off the internet FANS to read. and NOTHING more. cheap entertainment fodder to take up time till spring practice and the fall practice.

that 2 deep will change numerous time between now and the 1st game, injuries, players pass by and some just plain leaving for 0ne reason or another,

LB spearman was listed as the backup at the MLB spot and he left and now his name has been completely removed from the roster and the 2 deeps, this has not happened with JR, but the ANTI-JR crowd sure want him gone. as they still see him as a threat to their GOD CJ.

I gotta ask since you keep bringing this up, but did Hayden really say that? I keep seeing it quoted by you (in various forms, so it isn't really a true quote) and attributed to him. Just curious.

Also, wondering if you'll still offer to help pack the trailer for the QB to transfer.

 

[bagdropper]

Salivating greatly for when CJ has his first 4 pick game. This place will be friggin' awesome!

 

[ThatsFootball]

Originally posted by bagdropper:

Salivating greatly for when CJ has his first 4 pick game. This place will be friggin' awesome!

You're looking forward to our future starting QB doing poorly in a game? That seems..... odd.

 

[InsaneHawk]

Originally posted by MattFoleyHawk:

Originally posted by JRHawk2003:
After a few nice throws in the Spring Game?

After the first bad game from Beathard?


My guess is that it will be a combo of looking good in the Spring game, and then a bad game for Beathard and bang....its "Bring in Wiegers!" time.

This is exactly what a bunch of these whinny, entitled, idiots will do. Watch......

Why does your posts look like "derp, derp derp derp......derp derp derp derp" to me? Very strange.

 

[InsaneHawk]

Originally posted by Hawkeye2222:

the poster claiming nobody wanted JVB to replace Stanzi is WRONG, after how JVB played in that O$U game poster were starting then in 2010 the howls began in earnest for JVB to start, in 2006 People were also clamoring for JC to replace Tate,

this has been going on for decades, as I keep quoting Hayden who said it best

"only in the fans eyes is the BACKUP QB the best"

as for the prespring 2 deeps all those are good for is to provide motivation to the Players and fodder for the internet/off the internet FANS to read. and NOTHING more. cheap entertainment fodder to take up time till spring practice and the fall practice.

that 2 deep will change numerous time between now and the 1st game, injuries, players pass by and some just plain leaving for 0ne reason or another,

LB spearman was listed as the backup at the MLB spot and he left and now his name has been completely removed from the roster and the 2 deeps, this has not happened with JR, but the ANTI-JR crowd sure want him gone. as they still see him as a threat to their GOD CJ.

Wow....now you are just lying. I don't recall there being a good portion of the fanbase calling for JVB over Stanzi, nor JC over Tate. Hell.....I even reached out to a couple of rabid fans via text and they have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I think that either you are a) confusing a couple of people posting that or mentioning it to you as the fanbase as a whole wanting that or b) you are just lying so that you can make a point. I suspect the later.

Also, please try to stay on point with this thread. I feel like your first three sentences/paragraphs were applicable, but once you started talking about the depth chart I feel like you drifted off point. To remind you, this thread is another thread by JRwhateverHawk blaming everything on the Iowa fanbase which cannot be blamed on Obama and suspecting that the stupid, idiotic, simpleton fanbase of the Iowa Hawkeyes will now cheer for the backup QB of the former backup QB.



This post was edited on 3/11 4:48 PM by InsaneHawk

This post was edited on 3/11 4:52 PM by InsaneHawk

 

[Hawkeye2222]

whether you want to admit it, yes there were many wanting JC to replace Tate during that 6-7 season as JC was a Army AA and rated the #2 DT QB by Rivals, then after JC had a 6-6 season posters wanted RS,, then when RS was not winning like posters wanted those same posters were calling for JVB to start and they based it on what and how JVB did by taking O$U to OT while RS was out,

posters judge QB's on if they win like they feel they should and at the level they feel they DESERVE, and NOTHING else.

you call me out because it does not fit yours and others agenda about JR, in fact many of you lie about JR's abilities, its out right hatred that is unwarranted by some of you.

the venom directed at JR is totally uncalled for.

 

[bagdropper]

Originally posted by ThatsFootball:

Originally posted by bagdropper:

Salivating greatly for when CJ has his first 4 pick game. This place will be friggin' awesome!

You're looking forward to our future starting QB doing poorly in a game? That seems..... odd.

Never said I was pining for Iowa to lose.

I just happen to believe that CJB isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, as last years pissing matches here seemed to indicate. He was not the dramatic improvement over Jake that was the reasoning behind last year's board meltdowns.

Our QB problems I believe are not over by him being named the starter. His playing style will get him killed sometime next year.

There will be 2 QB's playing meaningful minutes next year. Bank on it. And them we will get to relive this type of board battle all friggin' over again as a result.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

It has already started. Wiegers is the highest ranked recruit on the roster isn't he?

Beathard showed nothing special last year. Better arm and faster runner than JR but hardly sufficient skills to be a winner, especially with poor wide receivers that don't look improved over last couple seasons.

Plus Beathard plays dumb. Some of that is undoubtedly experience but some just looks like dumb plays and mistakes.

 

[Hawkeye2222]

what some are complaining about somebody hoping for IA to lose with CJ as the starter and yet those same hypocrite were almost praying that JR would lose so that he would be replaced,

it sure is funny how they are already getting defensive about someone mentioning CJ in not so GOD like reference.

we are now all to bow before the GOD known as Beathard.

 

[ThatsFootball]

Originally posted by bagdropper:

Originally posted by ThatsFootball:

Originally posted by bagdropper:

Salivating greatly for when CJ has his first 4 pick game. This place will be friggin' awesome!

You're looking forward to our future starting QB doing poorly in a game? That seems..... odd.

(1) Never said I was pining for Iowa to lose.

(2) I just happen to believe that CJB isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, as last years pissing matches here seemed to indicate. He was not the dramatic improvement over Jake that was the (3) reasoning behind last year's board meltdowns.

(4) Our QB problems I believe are not over by him being named the starter. His playing style will get him killed sometime next year.

There will be 2 QB's playing meaningful minutes next year. Bank on it. And them (5) we will get to relive this type of board battle all friggin' over again as a result.

1) Never said you did. Pointed out that you are "salivating" for CJ to have a bad game.

2) Completely agree, although I believe he is an improvement over Jake.

3) I think it had to do with (for the majority of unhappy fans at least) fan perception that Kirk was playing a player due to loyalty and not giving another player a fair shot to earn the job as in the past (Banks, Grigsby, Christensen). I don't think many people think CJ is the second coming and will be a future All-American (Kilroy might, once he figures out Jake is gone and hops on that bandwagon).

4) Completely agree and is why I wish Jake was staying. Give me a seasoned vet over a RSFR any day of the week.

5) In my opinion we might see a few people try that battle out. I think the majority will not.

 

[bagdropper]

I just want to see this board melt down over the QB again to point out the foolhardy epoch that last year was on this board.

I don't really WANT CJ to have that type of game. I just think it's logical to assume he will - almost always a QB in a full season with that many games played has one or two stinkers. Goes with the territory.

So, if it happens - I badly want to see this board's reaction and see if the same "lovers" of CJ stick to their guns (a role reversal of sorts - basically doing the exact same thing the Jake crowd did) or if they'll turn on him - just to prove my point that it was all terribly silly from the start.

I support whomever is the QB. I just wish the fan base could have displayed as much class as Jake did through last year.

 

[doughudd]

Because it's "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" man style.




Re: When will the pining for Wiegers start?[/URL]TampaHawkfan posted on 3/11/2015...

If some of you guys hate these boards so much, why do you spend so much time out here b!tching and complaining about it? Serious question.

 

[cfhawk22]

Can't wait to watch CJ.

 

[InsaneHawk]

Originally posted by Hawkeye2222:

whether you want to admit it, yes there were many wanting JC to replace Tate during that 6-7 season as JC was a Army AA and rated the #2 DT QB by Rivals, then after JC had a 6-6 season posters wanted RS,, then when RS was not winning like posters wanted those same posters were calling for JVB to start and they based it on what and how JVB did by taking O$U to OT while RS was out,

posters judge QB's on if they win like they feel they should and at the level they feel they DESERVE, and NOTHING else.

you call me out because it does not fit yours and others agenda about JR, in fact many of you lie about JR's abilities, its out right hatred that is unwarranted by some of you.

the venom directed at JR is totally uncalled for.

What venom are you talking about you crazy #$%? I'm not sure if you are even talking to anyone in this thread anymore. I feel like right now you are sitting in a room with no windows, lights off, and the computer screen illuminates you having a heated discussion with yourself about 40 times of prior year runningbacks.

 

[InsaneHawk]

Originally posted by bagdropper:

I just want to see this board melt down over the QB again to point out the foolhardy epoch that last year was on this board.

I don't really WANT CJ to have that type of game. I just think it's logical to assume he will - almost always a QB in a full season with that many games played has one or two stinkers. Goes with the territory.

So, if it happens - I badly want to see this board's reaction and see if the same "lovers" of CJ stick to their guns (a role reversal of sorts - basically doing the exact same thing the Jake crowd did) or if they'll turn on him - just to prove my point that it was all terribly silly from the start.

I support whomever is the QB. I just wish the fan base could have displayed as much class as Jake did through last year.

Don't worry, I will stick with my backing of CJB as I think he will bring some excitement to Iowa that we haven't had. The only difference is whether or not it will make up for GDGD offense , lack of receivers on the team, and new o-line. Now, just out of curiosity, what class did Jake show last year? Real question cause I would like to know as an act of class doesn't really stick out to me, but I could have missed it. Thanks in advance.

This post was edited on 3/11 8:58 PM by InsaneHawk

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Originally posted by texas twister:
If Wiegers can prove himself to be the best qb, bring him in. There, it already started. Of course, I feel this way about every position. The player that demonstrates to be the best and has earned the nod, give him the go.

Lol and there it is. It's started already. Guaranteed there's dozens more thinking like you.

Well done Hawk fans.

 

[Eyeowahawks]

Originally posted by InsaneHawk:

Originally posted by Hawkeye2222:

the poster claiming nobody wanted JVB to replace Stanzi is WRONG, after how JVB played in that O$U game poster were starting then in 2010 the howls began in earnest for JVB to start, in 2006 People were also clamoring for JC to replace Tate,

this has been going on for decades, as I keep quoting Hayden who said it best

"only in the fans eyes is the BACKUP QB the best"

as for the prespring 2 deeps all those are good for is to provide motivation to the Players and fodder for the internet/off the internet FANS to read. and NOTHING more. cheap entertainment fodder to take up time till spring practice and the fall practice.

that 2 deep will change numerous time between now and the 1st game, injuries, players pass by and some just plain leaving for 0ne reason or another,

LB spearman was listed as the backup at the MLB spot and he left and now his name has been completely removed from the roster and the 2 deeps, this has not happened with JR, but the ANTI-JR crowd sure want him gone. as they still see him as a threat to their GOD CJ.

Wow....now you are just lying. I don't recall there being a good portion of the fanbase calling for JVB over Stanzi, nor JC over Tate. Hell.....I even reached out to a couple of rabid fans via text and they have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I think that either you are a) confusing a couple of people posting that or mentioning it to you as the fanbase as a whole wanting that or b) you are just lying so that you can make a point. I suspect the later.

Also, please try to stay on point with this thread. I feel like your first three sentences/paragraphs were applicable, but once you started talking about the depth chart I feel like you drifted off point. To remind you, this thread is another thread by JRwhateverHawk blaming everything on the Iowa fanbase which cannot be blamed on Obama and suspecting that the stupid, idiotic, simpleton fanbase of the Iowa Hawkeyes will now cheer for the backup QB of the former backup QB.



This post was edited on 3/11 4:48 PM by InsaneHawk

This post was edited on 3/11 4:52 PM by InsaneHawk

I remember people calling for JVB when Stanzi "regressed" his senior year. If you don't remember it, then you weren't looking for it. I saw it. I'm sure many on here also saw it. I also saw people calling for Jake over Tate.

And - I can't believe I'm writing this - there is a great deal of truth in the main thrust of JR's argument. Over the last 10-15 years or so our collective fanbase has left quite a bit to be desired:

Booing McCann when he came back in for Banks. People can say they were booing the coaching decision, but the kid on the field doesn't know the differenceBooing Adam Shada when he ran onto the field for Senior Day to meet his parentsDefending "F_CK MICHIGAN" shirts when everybody knows that thousands of children attend gamesThe personal attacks on KF, BF, GD, Barta,etc. Their effectiveness is fair game. Not their character. Not their humanity. Not their desire to winGetting so absolutely fall-down, choking-on-vomit drunk while tailgating that the University had to step in to enforce some policies in the name of safety, and then having the nerve to complain about such measures. If we behaved with a bit more responsibility and did a better job of policing our own, then these things wouldn't happen.The constant assumption that any white safety (Greenwood, Lowdermilk) or wideout has to be a bad athlete. The same drumbeat is being directed at our linebackers, who I promise you will be among the best in the BIG in a couple of years. Instead, because they're white and because they play like freshmen, they lack the "talent" and "athleticism" to be BIG players. The latent bigotry in that stance is sad.

 

[CuttyDoesIt]

As a Regina Alum I think Drew Cook should start next year

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Originally posted by CuttyDoesIt:
As a Regina Alum I think Drew Cook should start next year

0-12

 

[Hawkeye2222]

yes HF did say what I keep quoting. it will happen just like clock work with these CJ lovers as they will turn on him faster that a swarm of pirahanna on a injured member of their swarm.


and I will be there to enjoy every post.

tell you what I will give CJ just has much support as you gave JR, which absolutely NONE.
I will give him the same amount of credit for a win as you gave JR which is absolutely NONE
I will give him all the credit for a loss vs what you did to JR which was BLAME JR for EVERY LOSS.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

Unless CJ shows he is a bad QB over the course of 5+ games, I don't think we'll see any fans crying for Wiegers to start.

It didn't take someone with vast football knowledge to see that Banks could do things athletically that McCann couldn't. It wasn't hard to see that Jake Christensen was a horribly ineffective QB. And it wasn't difficult to tell that CJB was more athletically gifted than Rudock. That's why fans clamored for the back ups to play in these situations.

However, what fans can't see, and aren't good at recognizing their own ignorance, is how these players perform in practice and whether the players are making the correct on-field decisions (at least in the eyes of the coaches) which is largely why McCann, Christensen, and Rudock started as many games as they did. I'm not saying the coaches were always right, but they did have legitimate reasons for starting those players over their backups, even if it was unpopular with the fanbase.

Additionally, this isn't unique to the Iowa fanbase. Most QB's with the same skill set as Jake (highly intelligent but weak arm) are not fan favorites. For example, Chad Pennington was a very effective pro QB, but wherever he went the fans wanted someone else starting because the back up almost always had a stronger arm. CJB is not this type of QB. He can throw the football a mile, he can run, and he can make exciting plays. He is a fan's dream type of QB, even if he isn't a coach's dream. For this reason, I doubt fans will be quick to turn on him, unlike how the fans turned on Rudock.

 

[MoneyintheBanks]

Originally posted by Hawkeye2222:

yes HF did say what I keep quoting. it will happen just like clock work with these CJ lovers as they will turn on him faster that a swarm of pirahanna on a injured member of their swarm.


and I will be there to enjoy every post.

tell you what I will give CJ just has much support as you gave JR, which absolutely NONE.
I will give him the same amount of credit for a win as you gave JR which is absolutely NONE
I will give him all the credit for a loss vs what you did to JR which was BLAME JR for EVERY LOSS.

Tell you what when you give CJ your "NONE" support no one will care.
When you give him NO credit for a win NO ONE will care.
When you give him all the credit for a loss NO ONE will care. Because this is an internet message board and your opinion doesn't mean anything at all

 

[Pitcher24]

I'm interested to see how CJ does being "the guy". He can relax and not worry about outperforming JR, he isn't in a situation where he has to win over the fans or coaches, he can just focus on "winning". I think he does well, we have all seen the dimes that he can throw, all we need is some consistency which we haven't really seen CJ in the position that he is about to be in. I think the O-line is key to CJ's success, I'm also interested to see how that part pans out. I just hope CJ can embrace the new leader role and lead this team.

 

[David1979]

Start him now! Starzzzz!!