Where does Nunge & Garza fit in with Cook, Pemsl, Baer, Wagner & Kriener?
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It's possible that Fran is building a program in which you might not play much as a freshman, unless you are a star. I'm guessing Wisky, PU and Indy have guys on the bench that are dam good.
I expect you'll see both getting minutes next year. Each brings things in their skill set that we can use. GARZA offers size and is a more traditional post. NUNGE can step outside and we need a 4 to do that.
Instead of Cook and Pemsl on the floor at the same time we may be able to split them a bit so we don 't have two weak ft'ers on the floor at the end of games. Just a thought. Without Jok we may need help in stretching the floor to make room to allow Cordell and Cook to do their thing.
Instead of Cook and Pemsl on the floor at the same time we may be able to split them a bit so we don 't have two weak ft'ers on the floor at the end of games. Just a thought. Without Jok we may need help in stretching the floor to make room to allow Cordell and Cook to do their thing.
They will have to be really good to get pt next season.
Fran said they both playing next year, I know it doesn't mean much now but that is the plan.
Garza I think will be in the rotation next year. He offers size and skill we need in a way that would fit with TC and CP up front. Nunge may surprise- he's got skills- but will probably need strength, sort of like Dailey is now with the guards. Not sure how the PT will play out. We are reaching a numbers point where one or more guys are going to seek greener pastures elsewhere- even if they're enjoying this team. However, as Fran says, all these guys have something to offer. For that reason, I'm not eager to push anyone out, even though I know one or more are likely to go and that may actually help the team.
Start looking for guys who can move out to the wing. Not long ago we had McCabe, Basabe, Uthoff, White, Olaseni, Woodbury and that's exactly what we did was move guys to the wing. And we still found time for May to get some minutes. It did push Meyer out the door though.
Pardon me, May was gone when Uthoff became eligible.
But Baer already plays the three. And if White and Uthoff could I don't see why Wagner couldn't move out as he develops his shot. And I'm curious about Nunge although I haven't seen him play enough to know.
Pardon me, May was gone when Uthoff became eligible.
But Baer already plays the three. And if White and Uthoff could I don't see why Wagner couldn't move out as he develops his shot. And I'm curious about Nunge although I haven't seen him play enough to know.
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I wouldn't be suprised to see Nunge at the three. He looks basically to be a little bit more agressive Utoff clone. (Isn't that in interesting thought). I guess he might struggle at the three on defense, but I'll guess we'll see when next year rolls around.
I don't see Nunge at 3 working unless he is incredibly athletic.
We tried Aaron White at 3 his Jr year and it was defensive disaster---we lost 6 of our last 7 and couldn't stop anyone. Playing a 6'9 big at the 3spot you end up with someone that can't guard when you face teams with quicker wings with dribble drive/3pt skills.
I think at least 1 if not both incoming bigs RS next year.
With Pemsl, Cook, Uhl, Wagner and Kreiner all coming back- I just don't see many minutes left.
Perhaps Wagner decides to lay football after this year (half serious), you still have 4 bigs to play 2 positions.
Starting lineup/depth chart next year will be:
PG- Bohanon/Williams/ Pat MC
SG- Moss/Ellingson/Williams
SF- Dailey/Bauer/Uhl
PF- Cook/Uhl/Wagner
PF- Pemsl/Uhl/ Kreiner
Bohanon, Moss, Bauer, Cook, and Pemsl will get the most minutes
Wagner may struggle to see many minutes next year
With Pemsl, Cook, Uhl, Wagner and Kreiner all coming back- I just don't see many minutes left.
Perhaps Wagner decides to lay football after this year (half serious), you still have 4 bigs to play 2 positions.
Starting lineup/depth chart next year will be:
PG- Bohanon/Williams/ Pat MC
SG- Moss/Ellingson/Williams
SF- Dailey/Bauer/Uhl
PF- Cook/Uhl/Wagner
PF- Pemsl/Uhl/ Kreiner
Bohanon, Moss, Bauer, Cook, and Pemsl will get the most minutes
Wagner may struggle to see many minutes next year
A whole-lot-of-surprises this year with the whole team not just the freshmen. You never know how the new recruits will transition to the grind of the B10 and academics. I suspect the IOWA WAVE is coming soon to a galaxy near you! Waves of Hawkeyes!
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I'd be willing to bet against that. This seems a popular topic by posters, but how many guys has Fran redshirted unless they specificllly requested it? Moss? Kids just don't redshirt that much in basketball. They all believe their ready to play when they get to college, and most don't plan to be in college for five years.
May be true, but when u see 5 guys ahead of u, you'll probably take a redshirt.
I think Nunge has the best chance to play next year because of his ability to block shots. No way does Garza and Kreiner play next year unless there is a significant injury to another big
If Pat MC is playing for us next year I'm scared. Lol. Just giving you a hard time
Fran has publically commented recently both Garza and nunge will play next year, they are very talented. Will be intense practices and battles for playing time next year, will force everyone to get after it and step up their games.
If Pat MC is playing for us next year I'm scared. Lol. Just giving you a hard time
+1
Conner
If Kriener continues to improve, I don't see Garza getting much PT. Nunge might get some time at the 3. Connor will start at one of the guard spots. My guess is:
Bohannon/Williams
Conner/Ellingson/Dailey
Moss/Baer/Nunge
Cook/Wagner/Uhl/Nunge
Pemsl/Kriener/Uhl/Garza
Bohannon/Williams
Conner/Ellingson/Dailey
Moss/Baer/Nunge
Cook/Wagner/Uhl/Nunge
Pemsl/Kriener/Uhl/Garza
Think how aggressive it will let our posts be... we'll have 4 proven guys, Kriener (haven't seen enough beyond his highly productive minutes last night) and two incoming freshmen. That even assumes Baer moves to the 3. That gives you 40 fouls in the post if you need them. Last night we saw that in action and the result was good.
If it were me, I'd redshirt. Why? Because I would want to play some significant minutes in my career. And that ain't happening next year. Not a chance. Unless these guys come in and can be close to starting talent, then there won't be minutes.
There won't be minutes until these guys are juniors. Which happens at elite programs... Can we get there, to a top 3 B1G program year after year?? We'll see. One thing is for certain, we are headed in that direction. And I love it!
Next season's roster will include Garza 4*, Cook 4*, Moss 4*, McC II 4* & Bohannon 4*. Its been a long time since an Iowa roster had five 4* recruits. Pemsyl and Baer have shown they can impact games. Kreiner and Nunge give deep depth inside. Other than PG depth that is a pretty talented roster.
Brutal practices.
Brutal practices.
Whatever.
We redshirted Moss and look at how that is paying off.
Fran asked Dailey to RS and Dailey said no. Poor decision by Dailey.
At least 1 big will RS next year, book it.
And Dailey will be ahead of Ellingson
It's not like McCaffery has ever been shy about publicly building up the talent of his players, even when there might be a healthy dollop of hyperbole.
Fran is certainly willing to heap praise on his players....sometimes to excess but, this roster doesn't have any chumps on it.
Is there any doubt that Dailey, as the last man on the bench, does not have great potential?
Thing about McCaffery heaping praise, imo, is he believes it. That's great, but then he expects it. Takes a player willing to work to be what Fran sees, inside a guy.
Probably a good idea by Dailey because it holds his red shirt and he can possibly transfer at some point and save a yr
We look at Fran's praise as fans. But players have to see it as challenges to be fulfilled. If they don't, then Fran isn't likely to pursue their recruitment in the first place.
Projected 2017-18 Roster by Class:
Senior:
25 Dom Uhl 6'9" 215lbs. F
Juniors:
0 Ahmad Wagner 6'7" 235lbs. F
10 Christian Williams 6'6" 200lbs. G
24 Brady Ellingson 6'4" 195lbs. G
51 Nicholas Baer 6'7" 210lbs. F
Sophomores:
1 Maishe Dailey 6'6" 195lbs. G
3 Jordan Bohannon 6'0" 185lbs. G
4 Isaiah Moss 6'5" 205lbs. G
5 Tyler Cook 6'9" 250lbs. F
15 Ryan Kriener 6'9" 240lbs. F
35 Cordell Pemsl 6'8" 250lbs. F
Freshmen:
22 Jack Nunge 6'11" 215lbs. F
30 Connor McCaffery 6'5" 205lbs. G
55 Luka Garza 6'11" 240lbs. C
I think it's pretty obvious that the key to next year is going to be the development of our backcourt players:
Bohannon, Moss, Williams, Ellingson, Dailey, and McCaffery.
Could Wagner switch to Football WR on scholarship and walk-on the Hoops team after the season?
Use his Scholarship to bring in another Guard?
Senior:
25 Dom Uhl 6'9" 215lbs. F
Juniors:
0 Ahmad Wagner 6'7" 235lbs. F
10 Christian Williams 6'6" 200lbs. G
24 Brady Ellingson 6'4" 195lbs. G
51 Nicholas Baer 6'7" 210lbs. F
Sophomores:
1 Maishe Dailey 6'6" 195lbs. G
3 Jordan Bohannon 6'0" 185lbs. G
4 Isaiah Moss 6'5" 205lbs. G
5 Tyler Cook 6'9" 250lbs. F
15 Ryan Kriener 6'9" 240lbs. F
35 Cordell Pemsl 6'8" 250lbs. F
Freshmen:
22 Jack Nunge 6'11" 215lbs. F
30 Connor McCaffery 6'5" 205lbs. G
55 Luka Garza 6'11" 240lbs. C
I think it's pretty obvious that the key to next year is going to be the development of our backcourt players:
Bohannon, Moss, Williams, Ellingson, Dailey, and McCaffery.
Could Wagner switch to Football WR on scholarship and walk-on the Hoops team after the season?
Use his Scholarship to bring in another Guard?
If Nunge and Garza and truly 6'11 I see it being tough for Kreiner to stay in the rotation come big 10 play.. he was great the other night against bigs but long term that doesn't always add up for success..
I know WAVES! Many SETS on the WAY! Now sunday game. Letdown? Nope.Hard.defense.3's in first half will not hurt either.as they say GO HAWKS!
Kriener is a better player than Garza. Better prospect. At least from what I've seen of Garza's video footage. I'll have to see him in person to be sure, of course.
God I hope not because I see Daily as a crucial player next year to replace a lot of Jok's minutes. We are going to need his quickness and ball handling.
Really looks like a logjam next year at the 4/5. I think the freshmen bigs would be crazy not to redshirt, but they have to want to or it's a recipe for disaster.
Other than Baer, I'm not sure who. But it wouldn't t surprise me in the least to see 3 on the court together quite a bit. Play zone when it occurs. A couple of examples.
1st 5
Bohannon
Moss
Baer
Pemsl
Cook
2nd 5
Williams
Dailey
Nunge
Kreiner
Garza
And before anyone mentions, I'm just throwing examples, not making any suggestions for top 10 or projecting any transfers, merely first guys to come to mind.
That's right. And the three is the key. McCaffery had all his bigs working on their outside game last summer. It wasn't about this year, but next. And I doubt anyone noticed it but last season Coach Fran even snuck Baer to the two a few times when he could get away with it. If he could do that, he won't be afraid to go big, really big.
Make them match up to us! You are dead on right there is always the zone on defense. And if our bigs can close out on outside shots, and stretch the court on offense?
I know, people will say were not quick enough, or pretty enough, or something. Until it works.
Besides, this is the sell to all our bigs. Playing time comes from having more positions to fill. The harder you work to play the three, the more minutes available. And, don't all big guys secretly want to be wings, if not point guards, anyway?
First off, no way Kreiner doesn't play next year, and Frans commented that both Garza and Nunge will play. Who knows what will actually happen. I know this much. There were a lot of people who thought Kreiner would and should redshirt this year. Damn good thing he didn't. Look at the injury situation. Cook misses a chunk of the season with a broken finger. This gave Pemsyl a chance to step up. Now he's beat up, and may have a back issue. Kreiner has played spot duty, but his numbers called and he delivers, because he was prepared.
Another thing to consider. Most of these guys think coming in they have a chance at the NBA or at least pro ball in Europe. The problem is the league doesn't like 24 year old guys with lots of tread worn off Ask Utoff about that. Other than guys who have come in with an injury issue, (Ellingson), or school issues,(Moss), how many kids has Fran redshirted? And of the ones he did, how many of them transferred before they ever played signifcant minutes. You tell a kid you want to redshirt him, and the guys in front of him are only a year or so ahead, and he see's himself on the bench for three years. Better to have them all ready, and let them fight it out.
And, keep in mind, what does he have coming in the next 3 seasons...CMac, Nunge, Garza - 6'5, 6'9, 6'10(?, maybe taller?). Weiskamp - 6'5. PMac - 6'8 (?).
He's recruiting long, interchangeable, skilled forwards and long, interchangeable, skilled guards. Quickness may not be off the charts, but versatility is. I still think his goal is a Syracuse like roster. As long as he has ballhandlers and shooters, I don't think he cares if he has a traditional 1/2/3/4/5 lineup. I think he'd be happy with a 1/3/3/4/4 as long as the 3s and 4s can handle and shoot like guards (maybe not like an elite PG).
As the current team is developing, I think we're seeing the future of Iowa basketball and it doesn't "look" like the past. I'm good with that, just build a consistent winner, even if it doesn't look like anyone else.
Being completely honest, the most likely RS candidate I see for next year would be Connor. He's a walk on, it would put a year between him and Bohannon/Dailey/Moss (the most likely players at his positions) and it would give him an extra year with Pat and Weiskamp.
I look for all the bigs to play. Enough of them are versatile enough that they don't have to play down low all the time. They could play the 2/3 on offense the play down low in a 2-3, or in the middle of a 1-3-1. Heck, guys like Baer and Wagner are quick enough, they could play the point on a 1-2-2 or 1-3-1.
As Dan said, the big thing is being able to effectively close out on shooters. If they can do that through good rotations, they wouldn't need ultra athletic players on the court all the time.
I would be very surprised if there are not at least 2 transfers out after this season due to the desire for more playing time.
The prime candidates are Uhl, Wagner & Williams with Kreiner and Dailey maybe. No one in this group has redshirted so they have options to move on and sit out. Uhl might be eligible to grad transfer depending on his academic progress. Williams & Wagner could definitely use a season off to work on the major holes in their game. For Kreiner & Dailey it will depend on if they see themselves realistically winning PT next year which they may.
I would guess that Fran did not think he was getting both Garza and Nunge especially Garza but it was too good to pass on either player. It will work itself out.
The prime candidates are Uhl, Wagner & Williams with Kreiner and Dailey maybe. No one in this group has redshirted so they have options to move on and sit out. Uhl might be eligible to grad transfer depending on his academic progress. Williams & Wagner could definitely use a season off to work on the major holes in their game. For Kreiner & Dailey it will depend on if they see themselves realistically winning PT next year which they may.
I would guess that Fran did not think he was getting both Garza and Nunge especially Garza but it was too good to pass on either player. It will work itself out.
