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Where would Iowa be if a competent qualified Offensive Cooridnator was hired instead of BF?

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Where would this team be with a competent qualified Offensive Coordinator? Someone who had a couple of years of calling plays against various defensive schemes albeit at a lower level. Someone who could actually make some in game adjustments. Probably the biggest issue is crafting the weekly game plan. KOK and Polasek were brought in to assist. I think you saw their fingerprints on the scripted plays and game plans for Ohio State. As there could have been a suspension for Brian's outburst in the Minnesota game. I believe the coaching staff puts together the game plan on Sundays. Brian wasn't to meet with Barta until Monday....Maybe I'm reading to much into the situation. The game calls against tOSU didn't have a Ferentz feel to it.

We were promised that Wadley and Butler would be on the field at the same time. Wadley would be in the slot and put into motion to try and get him into space. Butler's injury didn't help but I can only recall a handful of times Butler and Wadley being on the field at the same time. Probably the most frustrating for me personally is the fact that Wadley is not even being used as a decoy effectively. 3rd and short is not an ideal usage situation for Wadley. Think Young and Butler are better choices for those situations.

The OC can't catch balls or block at the point of attack...With that said, at the end of the day, the OC is responsible for all things offensively. Execution comes from practice, film study and did I mention, practice... Brian's performance this year would have gotten him fired in the SEC. Nepotism is such an ugly practice. The fans and players deserve to have the most qualified candidate available in both Coordinator jobs. On the job training is not a sound practice in a power 5 conference. Brian is going to get one more year under the protection of daddy and Uncle Gary. Think it's a realistic assumption that both the Ferentz's are gone if the offense is ranked in the 100 range next year. Especially if the O shits the bed at Nebraska and in the toilet bowl game. Technically uncle Gary is Brian's supervisor and he alone has the right to terminate.

If Brian is not retained I would expect Kirk to retire with a negotiated retirement settlement. Just hope uncle Gary rides off into the sunset with them. Don't want him to make the next HC hire...

Better? Worse? Status quo?
 
Same place we would be with the last two. Not good.

Just like no receivers want to play in the KF offense, no competent OC wants to come here and regress back to 90s football.
 
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If Brian wasn't on staff, Greg Davis would still be OC. Brian is forcing the issue with Davis and the ouster of the two coaches from last season for many reasons including not working hard enough.

My fear is just like a family run business, once the son takes over, everyone leaves because they don't want to work for Bobby Pellet.
 
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Regardless of your opinion on Brian Ferentz as the offensive coordinator now or in the future, anybody who believes that he was the reason (or at least a big enough reason to start a thread complaining about him) we lost to freaking Purdue is just as wrong as those who believe that he is the reason we beat Ohio State. BF has absolutely had some boneheaded play calls and even drives, but ultimately, if you look at every game we've lost besides Wisconsin, we've been right there at the end and the difference has been dropped or overthrown deep balls, fumbles, interceptions, or poor blocking up front.

That said, I'd be willing to bet that we would be in a similar or worse position with almost any OC in the country, because the fashion in which a game is called (conservative vs opening up the playbook) is influenced ridiculously heavily by KF. We've seen it under three offensive coordinators now. Time to find the pattern. Come out gunning vs the teams we are big dogs to, while playing conservative against those of similar or less talent

This wasn't intended to be an anti-KF post. I'm just pointing out that those constantly whining about Iowas offensive coordinator have probably been doing so since the mid 2000s when everybody was sick of KOK. We've had two OCs since Ken and the games are called exactly the same.
 
I'm not going to give BF a pass just because he is new and inexperienced, but the following might sound like I am. The offense laid an egg this fall for the most part.

I honestly don't think Chip Kelly would have done much better in 2017. The Hawks are learning a new offense, have several new coaches on offense and have a lot of new faces on the field, including the QB. Being an OC is a LOT more complicated than just calling plays IMO.

I think that 2018 will be more indicative of things to come under BF. They need to be better, starting with the OL. If you can't control the LOS better than the Hawks did in 2017 it really doesn't matter what plays you call - you can't move the ball consistently.
 
One more year for Brian? Bwaaahahaha, good one. If GD lasted 5 yrs, Brian is untouchable. You know his last name, right? Offensive results clearly arent relevant under MedioKirk Ferentz.
 
We would still have an iffy OL w/ 2 Freshmen starting tackles, a poor/young WR corps, and a 1st year QB. I think we would be right where we are now.

Finally someone who understands what's really going on with Iowa football.Everything you mentioned is a spot on analysis.

Uninformed people bitch about Iowa football and they have no clue why we have issues.
 
That said, I'd be willing to bet that we would be in a similar or worse position with almost any OC in the country, because the fashion in which a game is called (conservative vs opening up the playbook) is influenced ridiculously heavily by KF. We've seen it under three offensive coordinators now. Time to find the pattern. Come out gunning vs the teams we are big dogs to, while playing conservative against those of similar or less talent

This wasn't intended to be an anti-KF post. I'm just pointing out that those constantly whining about Iowas offensive coordinator have probably been doing so since the mid 2000s when everybody was sick of KOK. We've had two OCs since Ken and the games are called exactly the same.

Respectfully, I'm not even sure what this means. Pass on every down? To this WR group? TE's are being blanketed now. If the Hawks pass on every down, the defense will be on the field for the entire game, instead of most of it.

Play calling is not the problem when none of the plays seem to work. How many times have we seen Stanley (and CJ last year), drop back to pass, scan the field, and either dump it down, throw it away or get sacked? Receivers are not getting open, or Stanley is afraid to squeeze it in with tight coverage.

I believe the problem is play design, game planning and execution (i.e. better coaching the fundamentals). Iowa's offensive design has no imagination, very little misdirection, nothing to surprise the defense. Has there ever been a team that was worse at running reverse plays than Iowa? The defense is never surprised.

So, BF studied under Belichick? He must have skipped a few classes. NE always has guys running loose in the secondary, misdirection running plays, etc. Not at Iowa.

KF's preferred offensive "strategy" is run first, basic play design, mistake free, methodical. Well, this only works if the team actually is mistake free. Iowa's offense makes tons of mistakes. So, Iowa's "bend but don't break" o_O offense performs like 2016 & 2017, especially when you don't have a QB that can improvise, like CJ in 2015.

BF has opened up the playbook - he found out there's nothing in it that works.
 
I have to applaud ...we are starting to get some people that are replying with some common sense! All of this "what if" talk is a waste of print! Maybe we should find a way to test people and weed out the dumb ones from these types of conversations! I'll say it again ...I'm so glad some of these people have no real decision power. If these people had there way we would never win a game!
 
We would still have an iffy OL w/ 2 Freshmen starting tackles, a poor/young WR corps, and a 1st year QB. I think we would be right where we are now.

The excuse about the two Freshman OT's is an excuse. KF's job is to stack the pipeline with competent upperclassmen replacements. The fact that a true Freshman is better than all the other Tackles on the team is KF's fault.

The fact the interior OL gets blown up is KF fault. The fact the offense doesn't know who to block in pass protection is KF fault.

Last year's excuse for a bottom 10% offense was an injury to Vandenberg and Kittle even though pass protection was terrible. 2012 excuse was Davis new system. 2013, 2014,2015 were mediocre but better than the last 2 years.
 
There's no way a competent qualified OC would take the job while Kirk is coaching. He would know his hands would be tied and that he'd be lucky to get a job at an FCS school after three years of running the ball up the gut into ten-man fronts.

I agree. Iowa has done things a certain way for so long under KF that he has become fixated that his system works and his assistants/staff is just not executing properly. It really is old man syndrome.

Todd Lickliter had that syndrome in spades. He really thought with a bunch of 6'1 to 6'6 guys he found at shopping malls and Kirkwood that he could compete in B1G because of his system.
 
Respectfully, I'm not even sure what this means. Pass on every down? To this WR group? TE's are being blanketed now. If the Hawks pass on every down, the defense will be on the field for the entire game, instead of most of it.

Play calling is not the problem when none of the plays seem to work. How many times have we seen Stanley (and CJ last year), drop back to pass, scan the field, and either dump it down, throw it away or get sacked? Receivers are not getting open, or Stanley is afraid to squeeze it in with tight coverage.

I believe the problem is play design, game planning and execution (i.e. better coaching the fundamentals). Iowa's offensive design has no imagination, very little misdirection, nothing to surprise the defense. Has there ever been a team that was worse at running reverse plays than Iowa? The defense is never surprised.

So, BF studied under Belichick? He must have skipped a few classes. NE always has guys running loose in the secondary, misdirection running plays, etc. Not at Iowa.

KF's preferred offensive "strategy" is run first, basic play design, mistake free, methodical. Well, this only works if the team actually is mistake free. Iowa's offense makes tons of mistakes. So, Iowa's "bend but don't break" o_O offense performs like 2016 & 2017, especially when you don't have a QB that can improvise, like CJ in 2015.

BF has opened up the playbook - he found out there's nothing in it that works.
I was referring specifically to playing the Ohio States or other top teams where we come out gunning and throwing on first down versus games against Purdue caliber teams where I can correctly call 80% of the plays because we are more focused on not trying to do anything too sexy than actually winning the game on offense (this is an exaggeration, obviously). Run, run, pass. And there is and always has been (under KF) a difference!

Other than that clarification, I agree with your post. It looks like we were pretty much saying the same things. I've been a defender of BF the entire year and will continue to be.
 
Where would this team be with a competent qualified Offensive Coordinator? Someone who had a couple of years of calling plays against various defensive schemes albeit at a lower level. Someone who could actually make some in game adjustments. Probably the biggest issue is crafting the weekly game plan. KOK and Polasek were brought in to assist. I think you saw their fingerprints on the scripted plays and game plans for Ohio State. As there could have been a suspension for Brian's outburst in the Minnesota game. I believe the coaching staff puts together the game plan on Sundays. Brian wasn't to meet with Barta until Monday....Maybe I'm reading to much into the situation. The game calls against tOSU didn't have a Ferentz feel to it.

We were promised that Wadley and Butler would be on the field at the same time. Wadley would be in the slot and put into motion to try and get him into space. Butler's injury didn't help but I can only recall a handful of times Butler and Wadley being on the field at the same time. Probably the most frustrating for me personally is the fact that Wadley is not even being used as a decoy effectively. 3rd and short is not an ideal usage situation for Wadley. Think Young and Butler are better choices for those situations.

The OC can't catch balls or block at the point of attack...With that said, at the end of the day, the OC is responsible for all things offensively. Execution comes from practice, film study and did I mention, practice... Brian's performance this year would have gotten him fired in the SEC. Nepotism is such an ugly practice. The fans and players deserve to have the most qualified candidate available in both Coordinator jobs. On the job training is not a sound practice in a power 5 conference. Brian is going to get one more year under the protection of daddy and Uncle Gary. Think it's a realistic assumption that both the Ferentz's are gone if the offense is ranked in the 100 range next year. Especially if the O shits the bed at Nebraska and in the toilet bowl game. Technically uncle Gary is Brian's supervisor and he alone has the right to terminate.

If Brian is not retained I would expect Kirk to retire with a negotiated retirement settlement. Just hope uncle Gary rides off into the sunset with them. Don't want him to make the next HC hire...

Better? Worse? Status quo?
It's in the cards...Barta retires, Kirk becomes AD, Brian HC. Don't bet the farm on it not happening. 2018 or 2019.
 
There's no way a competent qualified OC would take the job while Kirk is coaching. He would know his hands would be tied and that he'd be lucky to get a job at an FCS school after three years of running the ball up the gut into ten-man fronts.
Berlin Wall or Great Wall.of China or Wall.Trump is bldg which or all?
 
If Brian wasn't on staff, Greg Davis would still be OC. Brian is forcing the issue with Davis and the ouster of the two coaches from last season for many reasons including not working hard enough.

My fear is just like a family run business, once the son takes over, everyone leaves because they don't want to work for Bobby Pellet.

Davis was only hired as a place holder for Brian.

With out Brian there would have been no Davis either.

I seriously can't believe somehow they managed to have that undefeated season in the middle of what other wise has pretty much been a cluster **** for the last 7 years.
 
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Davis was only hired as a place holder for Brian.

With out Brian there would have been no Davis either.

I seriously can't believe somehow they managed to have that undefeated season in the middle of what other wise has pretty much been a cluster **** for the last 7 years.
LIGHTING in bottle seems to occur once in while. 12 wins and Osu. Very tough players. Cap has rabbits feet? Using them now on Son of Cap next what? Coach! Bigger HAT more bunnies no? A thought.Irish luck been good to MANY no?
 
Berlin Wall or Great Wall.of China or Wall.Trump is bldg which or all?

???

lol, I'm pretty sure you just quoted my post accidentally, but I tried to read it as if you had purposefully quoted me and the only response I could come up with was, "Are you asking about which wall a competent qualified offensive coordinator would be jumping from if he took a job with Kirk?" lol ;)
 
LIGHTING in bottle seems to occur once in while. 12 wins and Osu. Very tough players. Cap has rabbits feet? Using them now on Son of Cap next what? Coach! Bigger HAT more bunnies no? A thought.Irish luck been good to MANY no?

I like your poetry. If only Ferentz was Irish. Lately, he's had the luck of a Jew in Poland in 1943.
 
Where would this team be with a competent qualified Offensive Coordinator? Someone who had a couple of years of calling plays against various defensive schemes albeit at a lower level. Someone who could actually make some in game adjustments. Probably the biggest issue is crafting the weekly game plan. KOK and Polasek were brought in to assist. I think you saw their fingerprints on the scripted plays and game plans for Ohio State. As there could have been a suspension for Brian's outburst in the Minnesota game. I believe the coaching staff puts together the game plan on Sundays. Brian wasn't to meet with Barta until Monday....Maybe I'm reading to much into the situation. The game calls against tOSU didn't have a Ferentz feel to it.

We were promised that Wadley and Butler would be on the field at the same time. Wadley would be in the slot and put into motion to try and get him into space. Butler's injury didn't help but I can only recall a handful of times Butler and Wadley being on the field at the same time. Probably the most frustrating for me personally is the fact that Wadley is not even being used as a decoy effectively. 3rd and short is not an ideal usage situation for Wadley. Think Young and Butler are better choices for those situations.

The OC can't catch balls or block at the point of attack...With that said, at the end of the day, the OC is responsible for all things offensively. Execution comes from practice, film study and did I mention, practice... Brian's performance this year would have gotten him fired in the SEC. Nepotism is such an ugly practice. The fans and players deserve to have the most qualified candidate available in both Coordinator jobs. On the job training is not a sound practice in a power 5 conference. Brian is going to get one more year under the protection of daddy and Uncle Gary. Think it's a realistic assumption that both the Ferentz's are gone if the offense is ranked in the 100 range next year. Especially if the O shits the bed at Nebraska and in the toilet bowl game. Technically uncle Gary is Brian's supervisor and he alone has the right to terminate.

If Brian is not retained I would expect Kirk to retire with a negotiated retirement settlement. Just hope uncle Gary rides off into the sunset with them. Don't want him to make the next HC hire...

Better? Worse? Status quo?
Last week bf called 7 first down plays where the pass was dropped, and the drive ended. Play calling seems well enough. Worked great when players caught the passes against Ohio.
 
I didn't read most of this thread, but I think my opinion is like that of many fans, in that Iowa could have Norm Chow, Mike Martz, and Bill Walsh putting their heads together to come up with an offensive game plan for them, but as long as they were under the watch of KF, there would be very little difference compared to a vast majority of the past 19 years.
 
That is the answer. The head coach is the problem if there have been several competent OC's under his direction, yet people continue to complain.



I didn't read most of this thread, but I think my opinion is like that of many fans, in that Iowa could have Norm Chow, Mike Martz, and Bill Walsh putting their heads together to come up with an offensive game plan for them, but as long as they were under the watch of KF, there would be very little difference compared to a vast majority of the past 19 years.
 
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