Which B1G players will declare for NBA draft?
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I predict everyone comes back except Russell, LeVert, and the seniors of course. I don't think LeVert's stock can go any higher. Dekker really should look closely at the draft. He could be a middle first rounder. I think Hammons and Trimble's stock is late first round at best and second round most likely, so they may not get a guaranteed contract. They should stay in school.
Edit - I forgot about LeVert.
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Edit - I forgot about LeVert.
This post was edited on 3/24 2:01 PM by HawkAttackDial911
I wouldn't touch Dekker with a ten foot pole. His jump shot is ugly as hell and terribly inconsistent. He seems to get most of his buckets bullying smaller players at the rim. His handles are average at best.
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Could see Dekker leaving. All year espn has had him mid-late 1st rd in the draft. Last year plenty of people thought he and Kaminsky could leave early. Would be great to see him leave and Wisky is left with only 2 players who saw meaningful minutes this year (Hayes and Koening).
On some sites (ESPN), Hayes is nearly as high on the big board as Dekker.
Layman at MD also a listed prospect.
And what will happen then? Bo has shown that he can compete with almost any roster. I mean who had heard of Kaminsky?
Most players have holes in their game. Dekker at 6'9" and athletic as a 3 will carve out a long career in the NBA. With Kaminsky, Wisconsin will likely have 2 first rounders.
levert is most likely gone
I think Russell, Tremble, Dekker, Hayes, and Levert all leave.
I guess it will all depend on how far Wisky Goes. If they get to the final 4 and possibly the NC, I could both Dekker and Hayes leavening. If they get knocked out in the sweet 16, well then I could see them returning trying to get that NC ring.
Russell has to leave, had a great year. Levert not so sure on, but apparently is a stud.
I know your a badger fan but that's a ridiculous expectation. Bo has said Kaminsky has improved more than any player he has ever coached. Keep assuming you have another national player of the year candidate just sitting at the end of the bench.
In regards to your comments on Dekker, he's athletic and big for a Big Ten SF but he'll be on par if not below average for most at his position in the NBA. He is a below average shooter with a slow release as well. I don't see him being a effective NBA player but he is a great college player.
Never been that impressed with Decker. Nice player, not great. He would be crazy not to go pro, his stock will never be higher. Things will be much tougher for him next year without Big K.
I'm surprised Melo is thinking about coming back, seems like he had a pretty good freshman year and he ought to take the money, I think he'll go high in the draft.
Hammond reportedly wanted to go pro after his freshman year, then came back and had the sophomore slump before redeeming himself this year. I think he gone.
I'm surprised Melo is thinking about coming back, seems like he had a pretty good freshman year and he ought to take the money, I think he'll go high in the draft.
Hammond reportedly wanted to go pro after his freshman year, then came back and had the sophomore slump before redeeming himself this year. I think he gone.
What is a ridiculous expectation? That Wisconsin is competitive and competes for a conference title? Given that Bo Ryan has been at Wisconsin 14-years and never finished below 4th place it would be more shocking if Wisconsin wasn't really good. No one is expecting them to have The Wooden Award winner again next year but Wisconsin is always good under Bo. Their standard is a Top 4 finish and given that Hayes and Koenig are burgeoning stars the smart money would be on that continuing.
LeVert is likely to return. His stock can go higher since he hasn't played in 3 months and won't be back to full speed by draft workouts. He was averaging 15 pts, 5 boards, and 4 assists on 40% 3 point shooting when he got hurt. If he comes back next year and continues to improve as he has every season thus far, he'll be a possible lottery pick instead of late 1st round or early 2nd.
It is always tough to say who will be gone and who will come back. Each year there is a list of up to eight, maybe ten players that might go, but only around five declare.
I believe it is late April before the final decisions, no backing out, are made? I know we are way early, the Tournament is still going on!
All part of the fun of college basketball, the constant turnover and new faces. Between graduation, early draft entries and transfers the teams are changing more today than ever!
But it is fun to guess. So here are my guesses starting with who I think is most likely to leave:
D'Angelo Russell. I'll be conservative and say I'm 98% certain he will go pro. Another in a line of talented players at Ohio State leaving early, without leaving much behind.
Terran Petteway. 90%. I don't think at this point he cares if he plays in the NBA or in Europe. He just wants out.
Yogi Ferrell. 50%. His stock won't rise anymore if he waits. I believe he is a borderline 1st/2nd round pick. If he leaves it will be his choice, if he stays it will be his Mom making sure he gets a degree.
Melo Trimble. 50%. Depends on where he is projected as a draft choice. He had an up and down year and if the NBA scouts project him as a lottery pick (maybe) I think he goes.
AJ Hammonds. 50%. Another tweener 1st/2nd round. But he is in the best shape of his life and might decide to bolt.
Sam Dekker. 40%. I could imagine some consideration and a serious look.
Troy Williams. 35% Doubt he'd even get drafted. Maybe late second round. Depends on if he just wants out or not.
Shavon Shields. 25% Another entrant in the "that was dumb" category.
The Big Ten just doesn't have a bunch of talent. I expect maybe four guys declare for the draft.
I believe it is late April before the final decisions, no backing out, are made? I know we are way early, the Tournament is still going on!
All part of the fun of college basketball, the constant turnover and new faces. Between graduation, early draft entries and transfers the teams are changing more today than ever!
But it is fun to guess. So here are my guesses starting with who I think is most likely to leave:
D'Angelo Russell. I'll be conservative and say I'm 98% certain he will go pro. Another in a line of talented players at Ohio State leaving early, without leaving much behind.
Terran Petteway. 90%. I don't think at this point he cares if he plays in the NBA or in Europe. He just wants out.
Yogi Ferrell. 50%. His stock won't rise anymore if he waits. I believe he is a borderline 1st/2nd round pick. If he leaves it will be his choice, if he stays it will be his Mom making sure he gets a degree.
Melo Trimble. 50%. Depends on where he is projected as a draft choice. He had an up and down year and if the NBA scouts project him as a lottery pick (maybe) I think he goes.
AJ Hammonds. 50%. Another tweener 1st/2nd round. But he is in the best shape of his life and might decide to bolt.
Sam Dekker. 40%. I could imagine some consideration and a serious look.
Troy Williams. 35% Doubt he'd even get drafted. Maybe late second round. Depends on if he just wants out or not.
Shavon Shields. 25% Another entrant in the "that was dumb" category.
The Big Ten just doesn't have a bunch of talent. I expect maybe four guys declare for the draft.
If you expect only 4 guys to declare early from the BIG then I'd say that's highly conservative.
His performance the last month may have pushed him into the second round. If not, I'm sure he'll get invited to rookie camps.
Percentages seem about right. Russell and Petteway seem like the most likely to go early. I have always thought Dekker was overrated, although he has good size and decent skills. Personally, I think he is the weakest link in Wisconsin's starting line up, but that is a very solid group. I had thought Hammonds is a senior, and am surprised to see he is only a Jr. He has the tools and size to play on an NBA roster, and if he had more of a motor, he could be a late lottery pick. He showed more consistency and fire this year, but still has some work to do, before he will be more than a low first round draft pick. I don't think Yogi will turn pro, although who knows what is going on in Tan Tommy land. I doubt that he would be more than a late first or early second round pick. I think LeVert would benefit from another year at UM, but I hope he leaves, because they will be very good if he comes back.
I think White will get picked in the second round. He will need to show that he can make the three with some consistency to play in the NBA.
I think Levert, Dekker, Russell, Hammonds, Trimble (even though he said immediately after loss that he's coming back) are gone.
Those are just the "big" names. There's always players that think they're NBA material even though they have no shot, decide to declare. That list could go 10-15 deep. Of that number at least 2-3 will roll the crazy dice and declare. Maybe they know that their grades aren't up to snuff so "why not?"
Those are just the "big" names. There's always players that think they're NBA material even though they have no shot, decide to declare. That list could go 10-15 deep. Of that number at least 2-3 will roll the crazy dice and declare. Maybe they know that their grades aren't up to snuff so "why not?"
A related thought topic on this......should a player be able to declare themselves eligible for the draft, and then if the don't get drafted come back to college and play again?
If they get drafted, then their college eligibility is immediately over (this would keep the NBA happy so late 2nd rounders weren't backing out), but if they go un-drafted they have like a month to decide if they are returning to college or going the free agent route.
We let kids go back and forth on college commitments, let them transfer pretty regularly.........why can't we let a kid who makes a mistake at 19 or 20 years old on this decision go back to school and play? Assuming he didn't take money of course.
Thoughts?
If they get drafted, then their college eligibility is immediately over (this would keep the NBA happy so late 2nd rounders weren't backing out), but if they go un-drafted they have like a month to decide if they are returning to college or going the free agent route.
We let kids go back and forth on college commitments, let them transfer pretty regularly.........why can't we let a kid who makes a mistake at 19 or 20 years old on this decision go back to school and play? Assuming he didn't take money of course.
Thoughts?
Good stuff Dan, bill, block and others.... Not very good at this kind of prediction so your predictions are good enough info for me. It will be interesting (always is) to see what players take the leap
Here's a fun question.
How do we compare Dekker and White in terms of draft chances? Personally, now that White has shown some outside shooting I think it is pretty close.
If they are both in the draft, would it hurt Dekker that a team could afford to wait and take White and get the same kind of guy?
My guess, they are both around mid-second round picks.
How do we compare Dekker and White in terms of draft chances? Personally, now that White has shown some outside shooting I think it is pretty close.
If they are both in the draft, would it hurt Dekker that a team could afford to wait and take White and get the same kind of guy?
My guess, they are both around mid-second round picks.
I'd take White over Decker any day of the week. Decker came to college highly rated, but he is the weak link in Wisky's starting lineup.
I have seen Dekker has high as 12-15 in a few publications. I think Dekker is better suited for the NBA than Aaron...but both can make it with the right situation.
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Dekker is the most overrated player in recent memory. He clanks more jumpshots than Duez Henderson.
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Absolutely, I have no idea what the down-side would be.
Certainly a school/coach should have the option of not "accepting" them back, but that won't happen.
In fact, they should be able to be drafted and still choose to attend school, like in baseball.
I, for one, don't care about keeping the NBA happy. Like baseball, if they want to convince kids to go pro, they need to offer enough for them to do so. Offering them D-league money in a d-league town won't get them to forgo major college bball.
That's a stretch. He's certainly been given probably more hype than he deserves but let's be real, he's been on back-to-back 30 win teams and his shooting against Oregon propelled them into the Sweet 16. At his size he has NBA level athleticism and length
Looking at NBA prospects in Big Ten:
Yogi Ferrell- Junior
Aaron White- Senior
Malcolm Hill- Sophomore
Frank Kaminsky- Senior
Travis Trice- Senior
Sam Dekker- Junior
D'Angelo Russell- Freshman
AJ Hammons- Junior
Branden Dawson- Senior
Nigel Hayes- Junior
Melo Trimble- Freshman
Jared Uthoff- Junior
Vince Edwards- Freshman
James Blackmon Jr- Freshman
Ravonte Rice- Senior
Dez Wells- Senior
Troy Williams- Sophomore
Sam Thompson- Senior
Caris LeVert- Junior
DJ Newbill- Senior
Terran Petteway- Junior
Shavon Shields- Junior
Zak Irvin- Sophomore
Andre Hollins- Senior
Kadeem Jack- Junior
Jake Layman- Junior
Kendrick Nunn- Sophomore
Marc Loving- Sophomore
Raphael Davis- Junior
Shannon Scott- Senior
Jaylon Tate- Sophomore
NBA ready players:
Ferrell
White
Kaminsky
Russell
T Williams
Newbill
Petteway
Shields
Irvin
Hollins
Trice
Hammons
Dawson
Rice
Wells
Not NBA ready:
Hill
Dekker
Hayes
Trimble
Uthoff
Edwards
Blackmon Jr
Thompson
LeVert
Jack
Layman
Nunn
Davis
Loving
Scott
Tate
If you are wondering why I have seniors on the "Not NBA ready" list it is because I view them as borderline NBA prospects. Probably D-League guys at best.
Yogi Ferrell- Junior
Aaron White- Senior
Malcolm Hill- Sophomore
Frank Kaminsky- Senior
Travis Trice- Senior
Sam Dekker- Junior
D'Angelo Russell- Freshman
AJ Hammons- Junior
Branden Dawson- Senior
Nigel Hayes- Junior
Melo Trimble- Freshman
Jared Uthoff- Junior
Vince Edwards- Freshman
James Blackmon Jr- Freshman
Ravonte Rice- Senior
Dez Wells- Senior
Troy Williams- Sophomore
Sam Thompson- Senior
Caris LeVert- Junior
DJ Newbill- Senior
Terran Petteway- Junior
Shavon Shields- Junior
Zak Irvin- Sophomore
Andre Hollins- Senior
Kadeem Jack- Junior
Jake Layman- Junior
Kendrick Nunn- Sophomore
Marc Loving- Sophomore
Raphael Davis- Junior
Shannon Scott- Senior
Jaylon Tate- Sophomore
NBA ready players:
Ferrell
White
Kaminsky
Russell
T Williams
Newbill
Petteway
Shields
Irvin
Hollins
Trice
Hammons
Dawson
Rice
Wells
Not NBA ready:
Hill
Dekker
Hayes
Trimble
Uthoff
Edwards
Blackmon Jr
Thompson
LeVert
Jack
Layman
Nunn
Davis
Loving
Scott
Tate
If you are wondering why I have seniors on the "Not NBA ready" list it is because I view them as borderline NBA prospects. Probably D-League guys at best.
I read that before the game, as well as the comment about him being the weak link on the Badgers this year, and already thought those were the dumbest things I've read about cbb this year. It was no doubt fueled by jealousy. The funny thing is you got people then desperate for him to declare because it'll harm the Badgers significantly.
He's underrated if anything because he's being judged by his pre-college expectations. He should have gotten a 1st team All B1G nod with how he's able to positively effect the game in all areas. Good scorer, good rebounder, good and versatile defender who can guard 3-4 positions well. Who else can say that in league? Very few players. "But he doesn't even score 15 ppgz!": If he averaged anywhere near Frank's total he'd be the better college player, and Frank is the favorite for college POY, let alone B1G.
And I do think he's the better pro prospect. I would touch him with any length pole in the middle of the 1st rd. He has projectible athleticism, can guard 3 positions at the next level, is beastly on drives/cuts, and he was a solid shooter b4 vertical and muscular growth. Give him time to regain muscle memory and he's a plus starter in the NBA. I think coming out of Wisconsin's system will also benefit him because it is somewhat restraining to an athletic guy like him who previously was known as a solid playmaker. It's also not good for volume stats in general given the pace.
He's underrated if anything because he's being judged by his pre-college expectations. He should have gotten a 1st team All B1G nod with how he's able to positively effect the game in all areas. Good scorer, good rebounder, good and versatile defender who can guard 3-4 positions well. Who else can say that in league? Very few players. "But he doesn't even score 15 ppgz!": If he averaged anywhere near Frank's total he'd be the better college player, and Frank is the favorite for college POY, let alone B1G.
And I do think he's the better pro prospect. I would touch him with any length pole in the middle of the 1st rd. He has projectible athleticism, can guard 3 positions at the next level, is beastly on drives/cuts, and he was a solid shooter b4 vertical and muscular growth. Give him time to regain muscle memory and he's a plus starter in the NBA. I think coming out of Wisconsin's system will also benefit him because it is somewhat restraining to an athletic guy like him who previously was known as a solid playmaker. It's also not good for volume stats in general given the pace.
Dekker is a bit more athletic than White and is definitely more NBA ready. White's jumpshot has looked better over the last month or so but I'd still say Dekker is the better shooter.
