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Which GOP Candidates Would You Trust Most on Foreign Policy

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What Would Jesus Do?

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Based on what you saw in the debates, which candidates would you trust most on foreign policy? Which would you trust least?

I would have made it a poll, but polls only allow 10 choices and we still have 15 candidates.

I think Cruz and Fiorina came across as batshit crazy warmongers. Walker wasn't much better. Rubio and Graham are definite neocons but at least have a grip on reality.

Paul, Carson and Pataki are probably least likely to start wars, but I'm not sure Paul and Carson have sufficiently pragmatic views of the way the world works.
 
None of them. They're all nuts. And scary. If any one of those fruitcakes gets elected my profound hope is that the Joint Chiefs and other DC professionals are able to steer them away from big trouble. It's our only hope. We're going to need an R2D2.
 
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There were several:

Rubio impressed me, as did Fiorina, Bush, Cruz, Christie, Kasich, and even Walker.

I still think Trump, Huckabee, Carson, and Paul are lightweights.

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Those who moved up a bit overall however appeared to me to be Rubio, Kasich, Fiorina, and Cruz. Cruz seemed a bit more smooth than in the past.
 
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Kasich or Bush. Trump or Cruz as CIC petrifies me. Huckabee makes me pee my pants in fear because he's so likely to push the button just so he can go meet Jesus faster.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
Based on what you saw in the debates, which candidates would you trust most on foreign policy? Which would you trust least?

I would have made it a poll, but polls only allow 10 choices and we still have 15 candidates.

I think Cruz and Fiorina came across as batshit crazy warmongers. Walker wasn't much better. Rubio and Graham are definite neocons but at least have a grip on reality.

Paul, Carson and Pataki are probably least likely to start wars, but I'm not sure Paul and Carson have sufficiently pragmatic views of the way the world works.
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So, how exactly does "the world work?" No offense, but I'd bet all of them has just as much of an idea as to how it works as you do. I'd bet that they might know a little bit more, given their station in the world at the moment. Least likely to start wars, on it's face, is knowing how the world needs to work. I'll go with that every time.
 
Rubio smoked everyone.

The Donald was exposed as a rabbit for this group. He couldn't hang without antics.
 
Kasich and Rubio would be the best of the bunch.

I think you have take what any candidate of either party says about foreign policy with a grain of salt. So much changes when you are the one the has to actually make a decision as compared to one that just has to talk about it.
 
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Cruz, Walker or Carly. I think Bush and Kasich could do fine, but neither appear to me to have a back bone; particularly Bush.

On another note, it strikes me that so many on this board are fine with the U.S. being or being perceived as being weak internationally
 
strummingram said:
Least likely to start wars, on it's face, is knowing how the world needs to work. I'll go with that every time.
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Then I assume you reject everyone on that stage last night with the possible exception of Paul and Carson because of their warmongering, willingness to run up the debt on military spending, clear lack of understanding of Iran and Russia and lies about America's foreign policy.

Don't get me wrong, when some of them say Obama's foreign policy has been a failure, I'm inclined to agree. But when they explain why they think it's a failure, they are nearly always wrong.

And, no, I don't actually credit Paul and Carson with clear and sound foreign policy views. But their views do make me think we are less likely to get into more unprovoked and unnecessary wars. So that's better than the rest.
 
I don't even watch these debates. . . Seems like it's just going to be a combination of childish insults between Donald Trump and who ever he picks to have a feud with that day and general agreement that Barrack Obama and Hilary Clinton are the devil.

I'll probably watch the general presidential debates, spend a couple of days depressed about my choices and throw my vote away on either someone who no one has ever heard of or someone who's not eligible or someone who's dead or someone who's fictional.

My leading candidates right now are Jorge Bergoglio and Williams Jennings Bryan.
 
I believe a significant majority of the American public does not want another highly active foreign policy. These big promises of aggressive military options will not play well to a country weary from the Afgan/Iraq conflicts. Not only the huge financial cost, but the human cost.

It might play well right now to the GOP base, but others are more concerned with economic and social issues, imo.

The GOP will ultimately find a way to muck this up. Only question is when it happens.
 
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It all depends on what you want the USA to do in the world stage. If you want us to be passive and not be a world power you would want Carson or Paul. Russia is about to take over as the country that gets involved in conflicts to influence the end outcome. Do we want a strong US Military that acts as a deterrent?

If Rubio is correct about this prediction in the next few months about Russia, the world will be a different place in 2017 than it is today.
 
One last comment regarding CF... she's doing nothing more than auditioning for vice president. In the likely event HRC gets the Dem nomination, Fiorina will be the attack dog against Hillary. She may play the part, but she really needs a slight adjustment in the crabby face. I don't know what she has for an organization in the early States, but I haven't seen a darn thing about her other than the mirage we see on tv.

She's reminds me of a Palin... except she has an IQ larger than her shoe size. Palin could never make that claim. Her remark about meeting Putin reminded me of Palin's comment about how "I can see Russia from my front porch". Pure comedic hoopla.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
Then I assume you reject everyone on that stage last night with the possible exception of Paul and Carson because of their warmongering, willingness to run up the debt on military spending, clear lack of understanding of Iran and Russia and lies about America's foreign policy.

Don't get me wrong, when some of them say Obama's foreign policy has been a failure, I'm inclined to agree. But when they explain why they think it's a failure, they are nearly always wrong.

And, no, I don't actually credit Paul and Carson with clear and sound foreign policy views. But their views do make me think we are less likely to get into more unprovoked and unnecessary wars. So that's better than the rest.
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I didn't watch the monkey show, so I can't say with absolute certainty. But, I know the GOP thrives on scaring people that our military isn't big enough. It's one of the mains reasons I dislike the entire party's existence. This country is swimming in, what they call, "Defense" measures.The only time in my life that I was EVER around Republicans was during the two Ron Paul presidential campaigns. None of them, aside from him, ever appealed to me in the slightest. And, as many will say, he wasn't a real Republican. Since there is no textbook, unwavering definition of a Republican (or Democrat), I'll have to just leave that to the ages. However, the other candidates were constantly yammering about growing the military, being ready to invade and use military force to solve every problem, build boundaries, walls, ramp-up domestic law enforcement, you name it. Their entire pitch and platform is based solely on FEAR! That is what disgusts me about American politicians and politics in general. It's all a subtle fear commercial.

For a country that claims to be so Free, and so full of Liberty and Justice, then why is it so hated and so full of division, anger, and killing? I think those are probably embellished because of what sells in a media sense. You never hear about how someone had a grand life because of how compassionate they were to others their entire life on any of the "news" outlets. That's partly why I asked you "How the world works?" There's more than just the news-media-obsessed version of the world, and the public's reaction and fixation to that source, I assure you.
 
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On another note, it strikes me that so many on this board are fine with the U.S. being or being perceived as being weak internationally
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strummingram said:
Define "weak internationally", please.
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No kidding. The only people in the entire world who perceive the US as weak are some of our Republican politicians and members of their base who get their "truth" from Fox or Rush.

If the US looked and acted weak, people around the world wouldn't hate us nearly as much. OTOH, a lot of them might try to get even. Which is something us rational anti-war types have to take into consideration.
 
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I didn't watch the monkey show, so I can't say with absolute certainty. But, I know the GOP thrives on scaring people that our military isn't big enough. It's one of the mains reasons I dislike the entire party's existence. This country is swimming in, what they call, "Defense" measures.The only time in my life that I was EVER around Republicans was during the two Ron Paul presidential campaigns. None of them, aside from him, ever appealed to me in the slightest. And, as many will say, he wasn't a real Republican. Since there is no textbook, unwavering definition of a Republican (or Democrat), I'll have to just leave that to the ages. However, the other candidates were constantly yammering about growing the military, being ready to invade and use military force to solve every problem, build boundaries, walls, ramp-up domestic law enforcement, you name it. Their entire pitch and platform is based solely on FEAR! That is what disgusts me about American politicians and politics in general. It's all a subtle fear commercial.

For a country that claims to be so Free, and so full of Liberty and Justice, then why is it so hated and so full of division, anger, and killing? I think those are probably embellished because of what sells in a media sense. You never hear about how someone had a grand life because of how compassionate they were to others their entire life on any of the "news" outlets. That's partly why I asked you "How the world works?" There's more than just the news-media-obsessed version of the world, and the public's reaction and fixation to that source, I assure you.
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There was a lot of this talk. Promises of thousands of boots on the ground in the Mid East, rebuilding the 6th fleet, new subs, more troops in Europe and even restarting star wars. Apparently we can't afford safe shrimp to eat, but we can afford to pay for the defence of Israel and Poland. Let me know when we can tax the Polish and Israelis.
 
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No kidding. The only people in the entire world who perceive the US as weak are some of our Republican politicians and members of their base who get their "truth" from Fox or Rush.

If the US looked and acted weak, people around the world wouldn't hate us nearly as much. OTOH, a lot of them might try to get even. Which is something us rational anti-war types have to take into consideration.
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That is a legit caveat! I have often thought, and even said out loud "they've gotten in too deep this time and now they have no choice but to fight these people for perpetuity. It's not like the Viet Cong where, you leave the country, they stay at home." But... truthfully, that's never been tried in the Middle East, so, it's only speculation. The GOP base are the types who 1) lack true empathy and 2) refuse to realize that if your country's actions earn a hatred, then you reap the consequences. They have NO humility.
 
strummingram said:
That is a legit caveat! I have often thought, and even said out loud "they've gotten in too deep this time and now they have no choice but to fight these people for perpetuity. It's not like the Viet Cong where, you leave the country, they stay at home." But... truthfully, that's never been tried in the Middle East, so, it's only speculation. The GOP base are the types who 1) lack true empathy and 2) refuse to realize that if your country's actions earn a hatred, then you reap the consequences. They have NO humility.
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I would be surprised if we couldn't leave the mideast and leave all those haters behind. They have trouble getting to Turkey let alone America in any significant numbers.
 
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I would be surprised if we couldn't leave the mideast and leave all those haters behind. They have trouble getting to Turkey let alone America in any significant numbers.
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Yeah, I agree. But, I don't want to commit to that entirely because of how they have shown that they'll take it to extremes and bring it far away from home, to our home. I do think it would be a much harder sell to their compatriots to say "C'mon, lets go set off a car bomb at the Super Bowl!" And, their buddies are like "Man, they left 5 years ago! Stop living in the past. The Sunni's killed my grandfather! I want the city of ______ back to avenge his death!"
 
Chewback said:
None of them. They're all nuts. And scary. If any one of those fruitcakes gets elected my profound hope is that the Joint Chiefs and other DC professionals are able to steer them away from big trouble. It's our only hope. We're going to need an R2D2.
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Rand Paul, he talks GOP, but he's not.
 
strummingram said:
Yeah, I agree. But, I don't want to commit to that entirely because of how they have shown that they'll take it to extremes and bring it far away from home, to our home. I do think it would be a much harder sell to their compatriots to say "C'mon, lets go set off a car bomb at the Super Bowl!" And, their buddies are like "Man, they left 5 years ago! Stop living in the past. The Sunni's killed my grandfather! I want the city of ______ back to avenge his death!"
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Note the sort of retaliation you talk about. It's not really military, it's more in the area of policing. We don't need the sixth fleet to stop a car bomb.
 
I'd trust Bush, Graham, Kasich and Rubio the most. Although they all might be a little too quick to send our troops into harm's way for my liking, they seem the most level headed of the bunch, and I realize that it's easy to call for American boots on the ground in foreign lands when you're not the one charged with making the call.
 
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