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White vs. Wiltjer

MattFoleyHawk

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White vs. Wiltjer looks like the key match up in my opinion. Both around 6'9-6'10. Leading scorers. Does the winner of this battle decide the game, or do the neutralize each other?

I like the other match-ups too. Like others have said, I don't think they have played a team as 'long' as Iowa.

Woody 7'1 vs. Karnowski 7'1 If this is a 'push' I think that is advantage Iowa
White 6'9 vs. Wiltjer 6'10 Should be a great match-up! Let the battle begin!
Uthoff 6'9 vs. Wesley 6'4 Uthoff has got to take advantage of this mismatch, don't you think?
Jok 6'6 vs. Bell 6'2 Jok needs to win this battle and keep improving! Has played well in his 2 NCAA's
Gesell 6'2 vs. Pangos 6'2 Another good matchup!
Olaseni 6'10 vs. Sabonis 6'10 ???

I know I'm not saying much, but I just like the match-ups against these guys. Should be a great game!!!
 
Gesell is as tall as Pangos?.....Damn doesn't look like it, but then I guess we'll find out on Sunday. Watching Gonzaga a few times I often thought Pangos looked like a slightly taller Mike Gesell.........and also happens to look like Michael J. Fox from Teen Wolf.
 
Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:
Gesell is as tall as Pangos?.....Damn doesn't look like it, but then I guess we'll find out on Sunday. Watching Gonzaga a few times I often thought Pangos looked like a slightly taller Mike Gesell.........and also happens to look like Michael J. Fox from Teen Wolf.
Lol, good analogue. I just put what was listed, but you never know how accurate that is. We'll see.
 
I do not expect to see Jok with so many open looks against Bell. In addition, Jok needs to minimize checking the air in the ball or else he might find his backside planted in a chair. I expect this to be a good matchup game for other teams. Gonzaga is going to play better defense than Davidson. Iowa has a good chance to roll into the Sweet 16. Go Hawks.
 
Originally posted by MattFoleyHawk:

White vs. Wiltjer looks like the key match up in my opinion. Both around 6'9-6'10. Leading scorers. Does the winner of this battle decide the game, or do the neutralize each other?

I like the other match-ups too. Like others have said, I don't think they have played a team as 'long' as Iowa.

Woody 7'1 vs. Karnowski 7'1 If this is a 'push' I think that is advantage Iowa
White 6'9 vs. Wiltjer 6'10 Should be a great match-up! Let the battle begin!
Uthoff 6'9 vs. Wesley 6'4 Uthoff has got to take advantage of this mismatch, don't you think?
Jok 6'6 vs. Bell 6'2 Jok needs to win this battle and keep improving! Has played well in his 2 NCAA's
Gesell 6'2 vs. Pangos 6'2 Another good matchup!
Olaseni 6'10 vs. Sabonis 6'10 ???

I know I'm not saying much, but I just like the match-ups against these guys. Should be a great game!!!
Agree with much of this post; however, Woody vs Karnowski a 'push'. No way.

I reside in Minneapolis, have watched approximately 5 or 6 Iowa games this season, including 1 in person (vs Gophers). I respect your team more than you know and fair in my analysis. I think you have several advantages with lineups tomorrow, especially in size and defense. White will get the best of Wiltjer, I assure you that, Wiltjer is a horrible defender, yet the best shooting 6'10" PF in the country. Sounds crazy, look at his stats at Kentucky and Gonzaga. He's not as versatile as White or run the floor nearly as well, yet just as nifty around the rim. I'd take Pangos over Gesell, yet respect both at a high level. Pangos much better shooter on consistent basis Wesley was the leading scorer for 2 seasons at USC (18 ppg) before transferring to GU, yet has no outside shot and is inconsistent. I'd take Uthoff anyday. Bell is an amazing defender, as in one of the best you've seen off ball screens, yet like Jok's ceiling more, and size. A lot of give 'n take. Some are 50-50, some iowa, some gonzaga. Also depends if we're talking offense, defense, or both.

Again, that said, Karnowski is much more polished offensive player than Woody. They are the same height and Woodbury has better timing for rebounds than Karno, yet offensively, one on one, not very close. IF Karno stays out of foul trouble, this is one area which will surprise you. While Karnowski doesn't score very much, he's unbelievably efficient when he does, and at his BEST vs BEST teams. He made 7'1" Arizona Center (Tarseceooski?) look like a puppy pissing on the porch when they battled one on one. Not to mention Karnowski might be the best pure post passer on our team, not named Pangos.

Let's take a look:

Woodbury: 48.9 FG%, 6.7 ppg, 5 rpg, .9 apg, 1.0 bpg

Karnowski: 61.6 FG%, 11 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.2 apg, 1.0 bpg


Outside pure height, I honestly believe this is Gonzaga's one clear-cut Advantage at Center.



This post was edited on 3/21 1:47 PM by baldwinzag
 
There were only 2 positions I'd, without thought, pick over Iowa.

Karnowski at Center

Pangos at PG.

Iowa fans state "push" or Iowa with slight advantage, don't see it.

I compared Karno vs Woody above.

Let's look at Pangos vs Gesell.


Pangos: 46% FG, 44.4% 3pt, 5 apg, 1.3 TO (5-to-1 ast to TO ratio), 11.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg

Gesell: 40.8% FG, 27% 3pt, 3.9 apg, 1.7 TO (3.5-to-1 ast to TO ratio), 7.4 ppg, 2.0 rpg
 
A key thing for Iowa is to control the boards. Zaga is just as good on the boards as Iowa so if Iowa can control those that will be a huge help.

Here is how Zaga ranks in the country:

10th in PPG (Davidson was 6th)
30th in rebounds
6th in assists
1st in field goal percentage

50th in defensive PPG
184th in blocks
183rd in steals
 
Here is a pretty darn even comparison.

White vs Wiltjer.

Wiltjer: 54% FG, 47% 3pt (135 attempts), 16.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.9 apg

White: 52% FG, 33.9% 3pt (56 attempts), 16 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.4 apg

Great match-up.

Wiltjer put up similar stats in SEC/Kentucky, save for minutes played and PPG.
 
Originally posted by MTHawkeyes43:
I do not expect to see Jok with so many open looks against Bell. In addition, Jok needs to minimize checking the air in the ball or else he might find his backside planted in a chair. I expect this to be a good matchup game for other teams. Gonzaga is going to play better defense than Davidson. Iowa has a good chance to roll into the Sweet 16. Go Hawks.
Better than Davidson says nothing.

Gonzaga is not a good defensive team by big ten standards.
 
Even by "Big 10 Standards", Gonzaga will be the best offensive team you've faced all season, not named Wisconsin.

Funny thing is, all the mention on Davidson's 3pt shooting, as a team, we shoot equally well 41% 3pt, yet we also shoot on average close to 60% 2pt shots (#1 in nation). Sure, state conference affiliation, yet we had the #3 FG % in OOC play.

We are Top-10 in adjusted efficiency, #6 in assists, and tops in assist-to-TO ratio.

You are correct, our defense is ranked in the 40's per Ken Pom, yet Davidson is ranked in the low 100's. Still night and day difference.

Davidson scored points when they were ON from 3pt. We know they ranked 6th in PPG, yet they also lost by 20 in their conference tournament game.

Zags lost 2 games by Top 35 RPI BYU by 3 pts, then beat them by 17 a week later, and to Top-5 Arizona by 3.

IF Zags are missing from 3pt, we averaged 40+ points in the paint as well. Davidson is/was half that.
 
I heard the TV guys say something about a Zag player played pro in Europe. Did they explain that (said they were going to, but I had to go somewhere). I remember all the trouble that German ISU player had who had been pro, so I wondered what the explanation was.
 
Originally posted by baldwinzag:


Originally posted by MattFoleyHawk:

White vs. Wiltjer looks like the key match up in my opinion. Both around 6'9-6'10. Leading scorers. Does the winner of this battle decide the game, or do the neutralize each other?

I like the other match-ups too. Like others have said, I don't think they have played a team as 'long' as Iowa.

Woody 7'1 vs. Karnowski 7'1 If this is a 'push' I think that is advantage Iowa
White 6'9 vs. Wiltjer 6'10 Should be a great match-up! Let the battle begin!
Uthoff 6'9 vs. Wesley 6'4 Uthoff has got to take advantage of this mismatch, don't you think?
Jok 6'6 vs. Bell 6'2 Jok needs to win this battle and keep improving! Has played well in his 2 NCAA's
Gesell 6'2 vs. Pangos 6'2 Another good matchup!
Olaseni 6'10 vs. Sabonis 6'10 ???

I know I'm not saying much, but I just like the match-ups against these guys. Should be a great game!!!
Agree with much of this post; however, Woody vs Karnowski a 'push'. No way.

I reside in Minneapolis, have watched approximately 5 or 6 Iowa games this season, including 1 in person (vs Gophers). I respect your team more than you know and fair in my analysis. I think you have several advantages with lineups tomorrow, especially in size and defense. White will get the best of Wiltjer, I assure you that, Wiltjer is a horrible defender, yet the best shooting 6'10" PF in the country. Sounds crazy, look at his stats at Kentucky and Gonzaga. He's not as versatile as White or run the floor nearly as well, yet just as nifty around the rim. I'd take Pangos over Gesell, yet respect both at a high level. Pangos much better shooter on consistent basis Wesley was the leading scorer for 2 seasons at USC (18 ppg) before transferring to GU, yet has no outside shot and is inconsistent. I'd take Uthoff anyday. Bell is an amazing defender, as in one of the best you've seen off ball screens, yet like Jok's ceiling more, and size. A lot of give 'n take. Some are 50-50, some iowa, some gonzaga. Also depends if we're talking offense, defense, or both.

Again, that said, Karnowski is much more polished offensive player than Woody. They are the same height and Woodbury has better timing for rebounds than Karno, yet offensively, one on one, not very close. IF Karno stays out of foul trouble, this is one area which will surprise you. While Karnowski doesn't score very much, he's unbelievably efficient when he does, and at his BEST vs BEST teams. He made 7'1" Arizona Center (Tarseceooski?) look like a puppy pissing on the porch when they battled one on one. Not to mention Karnowski might be the best pure post passer on our team, not named Pangos.

Let's take a look:

Woodbury: 48.9 FG%, 6.7 ppg, 5 rpg, .9 apg, 1.0 bpg

Karnowski: 61.6 FG%, 11 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.2 apg, 1.0 bpg


Outside pure height, I honestly believe this is Gonzaga's one clear-cut Advantage at Center.





This post was edited on 3/21 1:47 PM by baldwinzag

Thanks for elaborating on the big men match-up. You know more about it than I do.
I could have phrased the 'push' thing better. If you notice, I didn't say it WAS a push. I was implying that the advantage was to Karnowski, but if Woody could play him to a push (or neutralize him), I thought it tillted the scale to Iowa. That's why I said "if this is a push". Go Hawks!
 
Originally posted by baldwinzag:

Originally posted by MattFoleyHawk:

White vs. Wiltjer looks like the key match up in my opinion. Both around 6'9-6'10. Leading scorers. Does the winner of this battle decide the game, or do the neutralize each other?

I like the other match-ups too. Like others have said, I don't think they have played a team as 'long' as Iowa.

Woody 7'1 vs. Karnowski 7'1 If this is a 'push' I think that is advantage Iowa
White 6'9 vs. Wiltjer 6'10 Should be a great match-up! Let the battle begin!
Uthoff 6'9 vs. Wesley 6'4 Uthoff has got to take advantage of this mismatch, don't you think?
Jok 6'6 vs. Bell 6'2 Jok needs to win this battle and keep improving! Has played well in his 2 NCAA's
Gesell 6'2 vs. Pangos 6'2 Another good matchup!
Olaseni 6'10 vs. Sabonis 6'10 ???

I know I'm not saying much, but I just like the match-ups against these guys. Should be a great game!!!
Agree with much of this post; however, Woody vs Karnowski a 'push'. No way.

I reside in Minneapolis, have watched approximately 5 or 6 Iowa games this season, including 1 in person (vs Gophers). I respect your team more than you know and fair in my analysis. I think you have several advantages with lineups tomorrow, especially in size and defense. White will get the best of Wiltjer, I assure you that, Wiltjer is a horrible defender, yet the best shooting 6'10" PF in the country. Sounds crazy, look at his stats at Kentucky and Gonzaga. He's not as versatile as White or run the floor nearly as well, yet just as nifty around the rim. I'd take Pangos over Gesell, yet respect both at a high level. Pangos much better shooter on consistent basis Wesley was the leading scorer for 2 seasons at USC (18 ppg) before transferring to GU, yet has no outside shot and is inconsistent. I'd take Uthoff anyday. Bell is an amazing defender, as in one of the best you've seen off ball screens, yet like Jok's ceiling more, and size. A lot of give 'n take. Some are 50-50, some iowa, some gonzaga. Also depends if we're talking offense, defense, or both.

Again, that said, Karnowski is much more polished offensive player than Woody. They are the same height and Woodbury has better timing for rebounds than Karno, yet offensively, one on one, not very close. IF Karno stays out of foul trouble, this is one area which will surprise you. While Karnowski doesn't score very much, he's unbelievably efficient when he does, and at his BEST vs BEST teams. He made 7'1" Arizona Center (Tarseceooski?) look like a puppy pissing on the porch when they battled one on one. Not to mention Karnowski might be the best pure post passer on our team, not named Pangos.

Let's take a look:

Woodbury: 48.9 FG%, 6.7 ppg, 5 rpg, .9 apg, 1.0 bpg

Karnowski: 61.6 FG%, 11 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.2 apg, 1.0 bpg


Outside pure height, I honestly believe this is Gonzaga's one clear-cut Advantage at Center.



This post was edited on 3/21 1:47 PM by baldwinzag
Excellent post.

I am terrified of the Jok vs. Bell matchup. Jok can be very careless with the ball and he struggles to defend quicker guards.
 
Originally posted by MattFoleyHawk:

White vs. Wiltjer looks like the key match up in my opinion. Both around 6'9-6'10. Leading scorers. Does the winner of this battle decide the game, or do the neutralize each other?

I like the other match-ups too. Like others have said, I don't think they have played a team as 'long' as Iowa.

Woody 7'1 vs. Karnowski 7'1 If this is a 'push' I think that is advantage Iowa
White 6'9 vs. Wiltjer 6'10 Should be a great match-up! Let the battle begin!
Uthoff 6'9 vs. Wesley 6'4 Uthoff has got to take advantage of this mismatch, don't you think?
Jok 6'6 vs. Bell 6'2 Jok needs to win this battle and keep improving! Has played well in his 2 NCAA's
Gesell 6'2 vs. Pangos 6'2 Another good matchup!
Olaseni 6'10 vs. Sabonis 6'10 ???

I know I'm not saying much, but I just like the match-ups against these guys. Should be a great game!!!
I see Tom Kakert and Don Doxsie (among others) took my lead as to what the Headline to this game should be. Hmmm....
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