Who Here is a Bernie Supporter?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

And what will you do if Bernie is denied the nomination because of what you perceive as dirty tricks?

Bernie is my top choice. If he doesn't get the nomination but Warren does, I'll be OK with that. She has disappointed some, but is still acceptable. But if someone else is the nominee and dirty tricks were involved, I'll be a very unhappy camper.

Not sure what I'll do about it. I'll probably give them a chance to win me over. But no guarantees.

If they are believably strong on climate change, that might be enough. Obviously Trump and the GOP won't be. But merely being better than them isn't remotely good enough.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Bernie is gonna get screwed over it seems. I struggle with it because I want him nowhere near the White House but I also believe all of those people who worked harder than everyone else, making calls, stuffing envelopes, sending emails and doing all of the groundwork to get him elected, deserve their payday if it’s due to them fair and square.

So, that’s my internal struggle. And yes, I’ll vote for Biden in a heartbeat.

 

[gusto79]

Bernie is gonna get screwed over it seems. I struggle with it because I want him nowhere near the White House but I also believe all of those people who worked harder than everyone else, making calls, stuffing envelopes, sending emails and doing all of the groundwork to get him elected, deserve their payday if it’s due to them fair and square.

So, that’s my internal struggle. And yes, I’ll vote for Biden in a heartbeat.

So if Biden's camp convinced Pete and Amy to drop out and endorse him, is that screwing over Bernie? Seems like people want to just give this to Bernie for some reason.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

So if Biden's camp convinced Pete and Amy to drop out and endorse him, is that screwing over Bernie?

No.

Or at least probably not. Depending on what they got in return.

 

[FormerlyCyberCy]

And what will you do if Bernie is denied the nomination because of what you perceive as dirty tricks?

Bernie is my top choice. If he doesn't get the nomination but Warren does, I'll be OK with that. She has disappointed some, but is still acceptable. But if someone else is the nominee and dirty tricks were involved, I'll be a very unhappy camper.

Not sure what I'll do about it. I'll probably give them a chance to win me over. But no guarantees.

If they are believably strong on climate change, that might be enough. Obviously Trump and the GOP won't be. But merely being better than them isn't remotely good enough.

I’m an ABTer. Prefer a centrist that can restore decency, leadership, and get things done incrementally.

I’d be embarrassed to say I support Bernie because he’s too extreme. We need to “make college affordable again,” but debt forgiveness is crazy and will lose the Midwest where personal responsibility is valued, IMO. The rhetoric against billionaires and the establishment is tiresome and un-American. We need to heal after this last four year.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I supported Bernie in 2016. Any. One. But. Trump. Case closed.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

So if Biden's camp convinced Pete and Amy to drop out and endorse him, is that screwing over Bernie? Seems like people want to just give this to Bernie for some reason.

No. I consider the 84 of the 93 superdelegates interviewed saying that if Bernie is leading come convention time they’d rather hurt the party and have a contested convention, handing Trump victory than vote for Bernie. I consider that screwing him over. Wouldn’t you?

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

I wouldn't call myself a Bernie supporter, but if the choice is Trump or Sanders, I'll vote Sanders without pause or reflection.

 

[HumbleP1e]

This is not meant as a flame at all. Keep that in mind.

I don't think, as an independent, that America is either A) ready for another polarizing leader of either party or B) ready for someone who simply lacks a clear plan. I love his passion, his ideals that value equality and justice, and his willingness to fight for the little guy. Those are refreshing and valuable without question, and unfortunately, I don't think anyone else does those things as well, unless Warren qualifies.

Listen to Bernie sometime and think about what I'm saying next: he's the best candidate to lead a revolution but not the best candidate to be president. He's identified what's wrong, he's putting it out there for people to see, and he's mad as hell about it. That's great. But, at no time, none, has he laid out any semblance of a plan. Obama did. Reagan did. Clinton (Mr.) did. Kennedy did. There is a real lack of leadership in Bernie ironically. That, and not his politics, is why I will actually hate myself and the political system that offers me a Trump or Sanders vote because I will have to vote Trump. I didn't last time. I don't want to now. But, I will have no choice. The closest previous president he approximates is Carter, except Carter was maybe the greatest humanitarian of all time. Regardless, look at what he was as a president: arguably the worst of modern time. He has no discernable plan for foreign relations or even an interest in it. National defense? Relationship with China? The list of issues he has no stance on is long and honestly more disturbing than Trump's ass-hattery. And, that doesn't even mention his greatest flaw exhibited most clearly in his interview with Anderson Cooper: he has absolutely no clue how to pay for his economic ideas. He just wants to be Robin Hood, and though there's value in that and it connects with those who fight the good fight uphill every day, he's consumed by it in the same way Trump is consumed with vanity. He is a great complainer with the right heart behind the complaints, but he is not a person to be what the country needs: a unifier of the people with a plan of how to bring the best parts of the Democratic and Republican parties together and represent the people with innovative, actionable plans that increase our liberty and equality as well as restore our place in the world as we prepare for the rise of China on the world stage.

Bernie Sanders is the right guy to get the restaurant owner to get the obnoxious, drunk, birthday party table of twelve thrown out of the restaurant, but he's not the guy to run the restaurant. These are two very different skills. Again, it's not personal. I wish he (or anyone) did.

I hate everything Trump is, and I will vote him in twice before I vote for Bernie.

 

[GOHOX69]

This is not meant as a flame at all. Keep that in mind.

I don't think, as an independent, that America is either A) ready for another polarizing leader of either party or B) ready for someone who simply lacks a clear plan. I love his passion, his ideals that value equality and justice, and his willingness to fight for the little guy. Those are refreshing and valuable without question, and unfortunately, I don't think anyone else does those things as well, unless Warren qualifies.

Listen to Bernie sometime and think about what I'm saying next: he's the best candidate to lead a revolution but not the best candidate to be president. He's identified what's wrong, he's putting it out there for people to see, and he's mad as hell about it. That's great. But, at no time, none, has he laid out any semblance of a plan. Obama did. Reagan did. Clinton (Mr.) did. Kennedy did. There is a real lack of leadership in Bernie ironically. That, and not his politics, is why I will actually hate myself and the political system that offers me a Trump or Sanders vote because I will have to vote Trump. I didn't last time. I don't want to now. But, I will have no choice. The closest previous president he approximates is Carter, except Carter was maybe the greatest humanitarian of all time. Regardless, look at what he was as a president: arguably the worst of modern time. He has no discernable plan for foreign relations or even an interest in it. National defense? Relationship with China? The list of issues he has no stance on is long and honestly more disturbing than Trump's ass-hattery. And, that doesn't even mention his greatest flaw exhibited most clearly in his interview with Anderson Cooper: he has absolutely no clue how to pay for his economic ideas. He just wants to be Robin Hood, and though there's value in that and it connects with those who fight the good fight uphill every day, he's consumed by it in the same way Trump is consumed with vanity. He is a great complainer with the right heart behind the complaints, but he is not a person to be what the country needs: a unifier of the people with a plan of how to bring the best parts of the Democratic and Republican parties together and represent the people with innovative, actionable plans that increase our liberty and equality as well as restore our place in the world as we prepare for the rise of China on the world stage.

Bernie Sanders is the right guy to get the restaurant owner to get the obnoxious, drunk, birthday party table of twelve thrown out of the restaurant, but he's not the guy to run the restaurant. These are two very different skills. Again, it's not personal. I wish he (or anyone) did.

I hate everything Trump is, and I will vote him in twice before I vote for Bernie.

And senile Joe Biden is?

 

[IAHawk2011]

And senile Joe Biden is?

Joe Biden is a decent man who would actually surround himself with competent professionals. He would be an entirely mediocre president, which would be a monumental step up from the clown show currently in office.

 

[Rudolph]

This is not meant as a flame at all. Keep that in mind.

I don't think, as an independent, that America is either A) ready for another polarizing leader of either party or B) ready for someone who simply lacks a clear plan. I love his passion, his ideals that value equality and justice, and his willingness to fight for the little guy. Those are refreshing and valuable without question, and unfortunately, I don't think anyone else does those things as well, unless Warren qualifies.

Listen to Bernie sometime and think about what I'm saying next: he's the best candidate to lead a revolution but not the best candidate to be president. He's identified what's wrong, he's putting it out there for people to see, and he's mad as hell about it. That's great. But, at no time, none, has he laid out any semblance of a plan. Obama did. Reagan did. Clinton (Mr.) did. Kennedy did. There is a real lack of leadership in Bernie ironically. That, and not his politics, is why I will actually hate myself and the political system that offers me a Trump or Sanders vote because I will have to vote Trump. I didn't last time. I don't want to now. But, I will have no choice. The closest previous president he approximates is Carter, except Carter was maybe the greatest humanitarian of all time. Regardless, look at what he was as a president: arguably the worst of modern time. He has no discernable plan for foreign relations or even an interest in it. National defense? Relationship with China? The list of issues he has no stance on is long and honestly more disturbing than Trump's ass-hattery. And, that doesn't even mention his greatest flaw exhibited most clearly in his interview with Anderson Cooper: he has absolutely no clue how to pay for his economic ideas. He just wants to be Robin Hood, and though there's value in that and it connects with those who fight the good fight uphill every day, he's consumed by it in the same way Trump is consumed with vanity. He is a great complainer with the right heart behind the complaints, but he is not a person to be what the country needs: a unifier of the people with a plan of how to bring the best parts of the Democratic and Republican parties together and represent the people with innovative, actionable plans that increase our liberty and equality as well as restore our place in the world as we prepare for the rise of China on the world stage.

Bernie Sanders is the right guy to get the restaurant owner to get the obnoxious, drunk, birthday party table of twelve thrown out of the restaurant, but he's not the guy to run the restaurant. These are two very different skills. Again, it's not personal. I wish he (or anyone) did.

I hate everything Trump is, and I will vote him in twice before I vote for Bernie.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

Bernie was a pretty damn successful mayor, too, which might be akin to your metaphorical restaurant manager.

 

[blhawk]

And senile Joe Biden is?

Senility didn't stop Reagan from being a God to conservatives

 

[pjhawk]

And what will you do if Bernie is denied the nomination because of what you perceive as dirty tricks?

There were no out-of-line "dirty tricks" against Bernie in 2016 and I don't see any evidence of any "dirty tricks" against Bernie in 2020, unless casting a vote for or endorsing another candidate is now considered a "dirty trick".

I see a lot of Trump Republican style hypocrisy and bad faith from Bernie people, they seem to think they can engage in all the standard issue political gamesmanship they want but it's classified as out-of-bounds "dirty tricks" if their opposition does the same thing.

And I'm really really sick of the bad faith liar Trump Republicans (they're in this thread--"I'll vote for Biden in a heartbeat" LOL) trying to exploit the Bernie supporter's victim complex and predilection for conspiracy theories.

 

[pjhawk]

And now that the bulk of the Democratic party has apparently decided that the only acceptable alternative to Bernie is a conventional "political-pro" "moderate" white male can we have a re-do on choosing the representative for that "lane"? Can we have a primary within the primary and bring back Michael Bennet and Steve Bullock or anyone else fitting that profile who's at least 10 years younger than Biden and still has all their marbles? Please?

 

[Tenacious E]

And now that the bulk of the Democratic party has apparently decided that the only acceptable alternative to Bernie is a conventional "political-pro" "moderate" white male can we have a re-do on choosing the representative for that "lane"? Can we have a primary within the primary and bring back Michael Bennet and Steve Bullock or anyone else fitting that profile who's at least 10 years younger than Biden and still has all their marbles? Please?

I was a bennet guy and was sad to see him gain no traction. Biden is the only candidate left I would feel proud to vote for.

 

[strummingram]

I voted for him in the SC primary.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

This is not meant as a flame at all. Keep that in mind.

I don't think, as an independent, that America is either A) ready for another polarizing leader of either party or B) ready for someone who simply lacks a clear plan. I love his passion, his ideals that value equality and justice, and his willingness to fight for the little guy. Those are refreshing and valuable without question, and unfortunately, I don't think anyone else does those things as well, unless Warren qualifies.

Listen to Bernie sometime and think about what I'm saying next: he's the best candidate to lead a revolution but not the best candidate to be president. He's identified what's wrong, he's putting it out there for people to see, and he's mad as hell about it. That's great. But, at no time, none, has he laid out any semblance of a plan. Obama did. Reagan did. Clinton (Mr.) did. Kennedy did. There is a real lack of leadership in Bernie ironically. That, and not his politics, is why I will actually hate myself and the political system that offers me a Trump or Sanders vote because I will have to vote Trump. I didn't last time. I don't want to now. But, I will have no choice. The closest previous president he approximates is Carter, except Carter was maybe the greatest humanitarian of all time. Regardless, look at what he was as a president: arguably the worst of modern time. He has no discernable plan for foreign relations or even an interest in it. National defense? Relationship with China? The list of issues he has no stance on is long and honestly more disturbing than Trump's ass-hattery. And, that doesn't even mention his greatest flaw exhibited most clearly in his interview with Anderson Cooper: he has absolutely no clue how to pay for his economic ideas. He just wants to be Robin Hood, and though there's value in that and it connects with those who fight the good fight uphill every day, he's consumed by it in the same way Trump is consumed with vanity. He is a great complainer with the right heart behind the complaints, but he is not a person to be what the country needs: a unifier of the people with a plan of how to bring the best parts of the Democratic and Republican parties together and represent the people with innovative, actionable plans that increase our liberty and equality as well as restore our place in the world as we prepare for the rise of China on the world stage.

Bernie Sanders is the right guy to get the restaurant owner to get the obnoxious, drunk, birthday party table of twelve thrown out of the restaurant, but he's not the guy to run the restaurant. These are two very different skills. Again, it's not personal. I wish he (or anyone) did.

I hate everything Trump is, and I will vote him in twice before I vote for Bernie.

Anyone who can put two coherent sentences together and write this is either trolling or delusional. Voting for Trump because Sanders doesn't have a plan? I can't even laugh at that it's so ludicrous. Voting for Trump because Sanders will fight for everyone? You gotta be kidding me. Voting for Trump because Sanders supposedly has no idea how to pay for his proposals? Can you even say $1,000,000,000,000 deficits for the foreseeable future? But the wealthy and corporations got that tax cut, didn't they? And just who the hell is paying for that vanity wall in Texas?

Here's what gives you away...you want Trump managing your restaurant over Sanders. You're fvcked. Your restaurant will be the personal piggy bank of your manager while he hires completely unqualified staff who's only skill is covering for him. Good luck. I think I'll skip your joint - I value my health.

 

[SSG T]

So, for some outside perspective...

I'll vote for whoever gets the D nomination, because they are all better than Trump. However, for all the things you progressives want, understand this, if Bernie (especially) or Warren (to a smaller extent) get the nomination, all of those moderates and #neverTrump Rs will either stay home or vote for Trump. Bernie does a great job solidifying his base and a crap job of motivating anyone else to vote for him. Warren is a bit worst on the former, and a bit better on the latter. I'm not convinced either of them beat Trump, because neither will drive people to vote. Biden is more attractive to a bigger chunk of the country, but will split the party because Bernie will take his ball, and supporters, and do his own thing.

As for actually getting things through, unless you hold the House and take a large majority in the Senate, none of it will go forward. There are enough of D Senators, who are moderates, to block or cut way back on everything.

You all likely screwed the pooch because you're going to nominate one of the worst you could have, and none of the three will consolidate the party while also drawing the people you need to beat Trump.

 

[alaskanseminole]

I don't think the answer to Trump is selecting his polar (and polarizing) opposite. Yes, Bernie fights for the little guy, but I'm not so sure his method(s) to do so are what this country needs right now. So right now the left are the outsiders...under Bernie the GOP will be. Why can't we find a moderate to unite both sides and find compromise. I'm so sick and tired of this partisan B.S.

We don't want "X"!!! Why? Because that's what my oppositions wants!

 

[Parker D]

As a completely undecided voter and someone who is often undecided until late in the process (I've even left a contest blank on my ballot because I was still undecided) I can say right now that

I'm never Bernie and I can't see anything changing my mind
Probably not Warren but open to her if she does something to really convince me
I'd be OK with Bloomberg but haven't heard enough from him yet
I'd be happy to vote for Biden

I'd be OK at best voting for Trump, but would like a better choice.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

This is not meant as a flame at all. Keep that in mind.

I don't think, as an independent, that America is either A) ready for another polarizing leader of either party or B) ready for someone who simply lacks a clear plan. I love his passion, his ideals that value equality and justice, and his willingness to fight for the little guy. Those are refreshing and valuable without question, and unfortunately, I don't think anyone else does those things as well, unless Warren qualifies.

Listen to Bernie sometime and think about what I'm saying next: he's the best candidate to lead a revolution but not the best candidate to be president. He's identified what's wrong, he's putting it out there for people to see, and he's mad as hell about it. That's great. But, at no time, none, has he laid out any semblance of a plan. Obama did. Reagan did. Clinton (Mr.) did. Kennedy did. There is a real lack of leadership in Bernie ironically. That, and not his politics, is why I will actually hate myself and the political system that offers me a Trump or Sanders vote because I will have to vote Trump. I didn't last time. I don't want to now. But, I will have no choice. The closest previous president he approximates is Carter, except Carter was maybe the greatest humanitarian of all time. Regardless, look at what he was as a president: arguably the worst of modern time. He has no discernable plan for foreign relations or even an interest in it. National defense? Relationship with China? The list of issues he has no stance on is long and honestly more disturbing than Trump's ass-hattery. And, that doesn't even mention his greatest flaw exhibited most clearly in his interview with Anderson Cooper: he has absolutely no clue how to pay for his economic ideas. He just wants to be Robin Hood, and though there's value in that and it connects with those who fight the good fight uphill every day, he's consumed by it in the same way Trump is consumed with vanity. He is a great complainer with the right heart behind the complaints, but he is not a person to be what the country needs: a unifier of the people with a plan of how to bring the best parts of the Democratic and Republican parties together and represent the people with innovative, actionable plans that increase our liberty and equality as well as restore our place in the world as we prepare for the rise of China on the world stage.

Bernie Sanders is the right guy to get the restaurant owner to get the obnoxious, drunk, birthday party table of twelve thrown out of the restaurant, but he's not the guy to run the restaurant. These are two very different skills. Again, it's not personal. I wish he (or anyone) did.

I hate everything Trump is, and I will vote him in twice before I vote for Bernie.

I was with you until the part about voting for Trump over Bernie. Yes his oratory is that of a revolutionary zealot and yes I would prefer a moderate candidate.

But even as a fiscal conservative I will vote for Bernie if I have to and here’s why:

• He has integrity
• He cares deeply for this country and I believe he puts country over party, self, etc.
• He is smart and I believe he can comprehend and address issues
• He will be better than Trump in a crisis
• The executive branch is bigger than one person and he will staff more competent leaders than Trump and his cronyism
• He won’t get his more revolutionary ideas passed through congress anyway
• He is almost certainly a one term president and I expect he will have a moderate VP like Amy K giving that person needed executive experience
• Judges
• Climate change
  
• Anyone but Trump

You seem reasonable (Trump vote aside ) and I simply cannot understand how a reasonable person would ever vote for Trump after the past four years. If you really cannot stand Bernie at least pick a third party candidate,

Having said all that I can’t believe this country is forcing me to root for Biden or Bloomberg. Mayor Pete or Amy K would have been such a breath of fresh air.

 

[TJ8869]

If he doesn't get the nomination but Warren does, I'll be OK with that.

Warren has zero chance of winning the nomination.

 

[JMNSHO]

I have caucused for Bernie twice. I have followed him pretty consistently since 2007 or so.

I have been perennially disappointed with the Democratic Party since about 1998 when I was 21. I took a hiatus from the Democrats to support the Green Party 1999-2003, rejoining the Democrats for the 2004 primary, and doing my best to advocate and advance progressive policies within the party framework ever since—including joining platform committees, steering committees, becoming a delegate for gubernatorial and presidential candidates.

Dirty tricks? Maybe so, maybe just politics really. I have nearly given up on the idea of electoral success this round. I’m now mostly dreading what is going to happen in Milwaukee and how badly it will set back the progressive wing of the party. 12 guys (out of millions) could light a dumpster on fire and smash a Starbucks window, and we will hear about the radical socialist Bernie Bros (my iPhone suggests that moniker BTW) for the rest of my life. I hope cooler heads prevail.

Our priorities are suspect. We have a Democratic Party that makes a show of opposition to the right, but lacks the will to change most things in any meaningful way. We have a speaker who tears up the Presidents speeches but supports his bills. We have a voting public who is more concerned with slaying the dragon than anything else. Disappointing.

What will I do? I have to decide if I can continue to work within a party that clearly doesn’t want me or my beliefs. If not, what then?

 

[aflachawk]

So if Biden's camp convinced Pete and Amy to drop out and endorse him, is that screwing over Bernie? Seems like people want to just give this to Bernie for some reason.

No. I consider the 84 of the 93 superdelegates interviewed saying that if Bernie is leading come convention time they’d rather hurt the party and have a contested convention, handing Trump victory than vote for Bernie. I consider that screwing him over. Wouldn’t you?

my dream is a contested cconvention. You know the party would try to take the nomination away from Bernie.

 

[thewop]

As a completely undecided voter and someone who is often undecided until late in the process (I've even left a contest blank on my ballot because I was still undecided) I can say right now that

I'm never Bernie and I can't see anything changing my mind
Probably not Warren but open to her if she does something to really convince me
I'd be OK with Bloomberg but haven't heard enough from him yet
I'd be happy to vote for Biden

I'd be OK at best voting for Trump, but would like a better choice.

This. Bernie's nomination would guarantee my vote for Trump. I will be casting a vote for Biden later today, primarily because he's the most moderate and realistic option left (if I thought Bloomberg had a chance, I'd vote for him). Like anyone else, I'm only one vote, and I've only ever voted in one primary, but doing what's necessary to stop Bernie is worth taking a few minutes to go cast a vote.

I believe the Dem nominee will be president by this time next year, but I do question whether Bernie can attract the kinds of voters necessary to win swing states. I understand Dems in Florida suing to keep him off the ballot because he's an "Independent." I think they see him sinking Florida's chances of going blue in the general. Florida dems should be marketing heavily in New York to get retirees to move there (and bring their votes).

 

[jerryusc]

Joe Biden is a decent man who would actually surround himself with competent professionals. He would be an entirely mediocre president, which would be a monumental step up from the clown show currently in office.

Biden a decent man? Have you not seen those videos of him feeling up little girls and women on nat'l tv? If he does that openly what does he do behind closed doors?
I would prefer Bernie over him. Not sure about Bernie's idealism tho. He used to have sensible policies on immigration but went extreme when campaigning for prez. Don't get dims being in lockstep for open borders. Illegals keep wages low among other very bad things.

 

[naturalmwa]

This is not meant as a flame at all. Keep that in mind.

I don't think, as an independent, that America is either A) ready for another polarizing leader of either party or B) ready for someone who simply lacks a clear plan. I love his passion, his ideals that value equality and justice, and his willingness to fight for the little guy. Those are refreshing and valuable without question, and unfortunately, I don't think anyone else does those things as well, unless Warren qualifies.

Listen to Bernie sometime and think about what I'm saying next: he's the best candidate to lead a revolution but not the best candidate to be president. He's identified what's wrong, he's putting it out there for people to see, and he's mad as hell about it. That's great. But, at no time, none, has he laid out any semblance of a plan. Obama did. Reagan did. Clinton (Mr.) did. Kennedy did. There is a real lack of leadership in Bernie ironically. That, and not his politics, is why I will actually hate myself and the political system that offers me a Trump or Sanders vote because I will have to vote Trump. I didn't last time. I don't want to now. But, I will have no choice. The closest previous president he approximates is Carter, except Carter was maybe the greatest humanitarian of all time. Regardless, look at what he was as a president: arguably the worst of modern time. He has no discernable plan for foreign relations or even an interest in it. National defense? Relationship with China? The list of issues he has no stance on is long and honestly more disturbing than Trump's ass-hattery. And, that doesn't even mention his greatest flaw exhibited most clearly in his interview with Anderson Cooper: he has absolutely no clue how to pay for his economic ideas. He just wants to be Robin Hood, and though there's value in that and it connects with those who fight the good fight uphill every day, he's consumed by it in the same way Trump is consumed with vanity. He is a great complainer with the right heart behind the complaints, but he is not a person to be what the country needs: a unifier of the people with a plan of how to bring the best parts of the Democratic and Republican parties together and represent the people with innovative, actionable plans that increase our liberty and equality as well as restore our place in the world as we prepare for the rise of China on the world stage.

Bernie Sanders is the right guy to get the restaurant owner to get the obnoxious, drunk, birthday party table of twelve thrown out of the restaurant, but he's not the guy to run the restaurant. These are two very different skills. Again, it's not personal. I wish he (or anyone) did.

I hate everything Trump is, and I will vote him in twice before I vote for Bernie.

I don’t understand this calculus at all. You claim Trump and Bernie both lack plans. You claim you like Bernie’s motivation more than you like Trump’s. Yet in the end you want to punish Bernie for his lack of details while you give Trump a pass. That’s bizarre.

 

[naturalmwa]

And now that the bulk of the Democratic party has apparently decided that the only acceptable alternative to Bernie is a conventional "political-pro" "moderate" white male can we have a re-do on choosing the representative for that "lane"? Can we have a primary within the primary and bring back Michael Bennet and Steve Bullock or anyone else fitting that profile who's at least 10 years younger than Biden and still has all their marbles? Please?

That would be lovely.

 

[naturalmwa]

I don't think the answer to Trump is selecting his polar (and polarizing) opposite. Yes, Bernie fights for the little guy, but I'm not so sure his method(s) to do so are what this country needs right now. So right now the left are the outsiders...under Bernie the GOP will be. Why can't we find a moderate to unite both sides and find compromise. I'm so sick and tired of this partisan B.S.

We don't want "X"!!! Why? Because that's what my oppositions wants!

That would be Biden. Will you vote for him?

 

[BioHawk]

I supported Bernie in 2016. Any. One. But. Trump. Case closed.

This is me, although I am not nearly as enthusiastic about Bernie as I was last time. A combination of his age and I wasn't impressed with how he handled losing the last time around. Screwed or not, it's part of the reason we have Trump as President now. I am definitely "undecided"...sort of. Basically, I support the Democratic nominee. I've decided that whoever seems to have the most support come the time of my primary will get my vote. I have serious reservations about Biden as well though...

 

[alaskanseminole]

But even as a fiscal conservative I will vote for Bernie if I have to and here’s why:

• He has integrity
• He cares deeply for this country and I believe he puts country over party, self, etc.
• He is smart and I believe he can comprehend and address issues
• He will be better than Trump in a crisis
• The executive branch is bigger than one person and he will staff more competent leaders than Trump and his cronyism
• He won’t get his more revolutionary ideas passed through congress anyway
• He is almost certainly a one term president and I expect he will have a moderate VP like Amy K giving that person needed executive experience
• Judges
• Climate change
  
• Anyone but Trump

Those two points right there MAY get my vote; especially since I completely agree with the first 2 points you made. Also, I'm encouraged by the fact his party hates him. That's a plus in my book.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Seems to me the issue is Bernie needs to get his own super delegates. Team Bernie understands how the process works ans still ran a second campaign. If he can't figure out how to work the system to his advantage does he deserve the nomination? To bitch about it is counter productive and wrong headed.

 

[83Hawk]

And what will you do if Bernie is denied the nomination because of what you perceive as dirty tricks?

Bernie is my top choice. If he doesn't get the nomination but Warren does, I'll be OK with that. She has disappointed some, but is still acceptable. But if someone else is the nominee and dirty tricks were involved, I'll be a very unhappy camper.

Not sure what I'll do about it. I'll probably give them a chance to win me over. But no guarantees.

If they are believably strong on climate change, that might be enough. Obviously Trump and the GOP won't be. But merely being better than them isn't remotely good enough.

You will vote D no matter who the candidate is.

 

[FormerlyCyberCy]

Biden a decent man? Have you not seen those videos of him feeling up little girls and women on nat'l tv? If he does that openly what does he do behind closed doors?
I would prefer Bernie over him. Not sure about Bernie's idealism tho. He used to have sensible policies on immigration but went extreme when campaigning for prez. Don't get dims being in lockstep for open borders. Illegals keep wages low among other very bad things.

There’s a difference between touching to show compassion and copping a feel. I have to laugh at hypocritical Trump supporters who are OK with a guy that grabs women, raw dogs porn stars and worse.

 

[Tom Paris]

And now that the bulk of the Democratic party has apparently decided that the only acceptable alternative to Bernie is a conventional "political-pro" "moderate" white male can we have a re-do on choosing the representative for that "lane"? Can we have a primary within the primary and bring back Michael Bennet and Steve Bullock or anyone else fitting that profile who's at least 10 years younger than Biden and still has all their marbles? Please?

Bennet was my top pick early on and he had no chance. I don't get it. All he ever did was made sense.

 

[seminole97]

He just wants to be Robin Hood

Umm, Robin Hood was essentially a tax cutter. He stole the taxes collected by the Sheriff and returned it to the people.
Just sayin’...

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Those two points right there MAY get my vote; especially since I completely agree with the first 2 points you made. Also, I'm encouraged by the fact his party hates him. That's a plus in my book.

Kinda how I feel right now

 

[naturalmwa]

You will vote D no matter who the candidate is.

You don’t know him very well.

 

[naturalmwa]

There’s a difference between touching to show compassion and copping a feel. I have to laugh at hypocritical Trump supporters who are OK with a guy that grabs women, raw dogs porn stars and worse.

Amen. Remember your chatting with a guy who thinks the confederacy was correct.