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Who's Going Pro?

Sep 18, 2011
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I know Baer is our only senior, but other than Cook, who is going to leave early? Garza? Moss?

I really hope Garza stays but he is approaching elite level, my opinion.
 
Much as I think Cook played with a new level of effort on the defensive end in the last two games, I’m not sure he’s NBA ready yet. He’s working to improve his handles, but is still loose with the ball and there are times when he’s not a warrior on the boards (ie 1 rebound in the 1st half against U Conn)

The NBA drafts on potential and IF he develops a consistent jumper he may sneak into the second round, as long as his defensive effort continues.

He’s gotten much better over the summer, but he might get a bigger paycheck in Europe if he leads this group to solid results next year and is a more marketable commodity because of greater name recognition. Just my opinion.
 
If this was 15 years ago, Garza would have looked like a lock for the NBA at some point. Now, I'm not sure he makes it. Is there a current NBA player who is comparable to him?
 
Moss could leave as a grad transfer, presuming he graduates in four years, but he isn't going to the NBA. If we see CMac and Bohannon eventually start together, he may decide to look at other options.

With Garza having a good outside shot, his chances of making the NBA go way up. He's still slow defensively and doesn't block shots, but as a backup center who can hit the 3 and rebounds, I think he'll find a spot somewhere in a couple years.
 
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If this was 15 years ago, Garza would have looked like a lock for the NBA at some point. Now, I'm not sure he makes it. Is there a current NBA player who is comparable to him?

If he improves on the defensive side and passing, he's got a shot as a back up C. Good rebounder, pretty good outside shot.

Note, I DID'T say 1st round pick. I could see him spending time in the G-League then getting a shot as a bench guy.
 
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing any of it yet. Cook is NOT an NBA player at this point - this "he came so close last year" was manure. I do feel if he does what Devyn Marble did and keeps working VERY hard, by the end of next season, he'll be rounded enough to take a shot - whether he makes it or not is not certain. As for "NBA Isaiah" (sorry that's my name for him now) I don't think the NBA scout has stopped laughing yet over him asking about going into the league. But I don't find it funny - I'm not sure 2 years of hard work would cut it for Isaiah. It is a hard league to get into anymore there is so much talent. Garza - we'll see in a couple of years.
 
I'm going to hold my Cook comments until the end of the season,.... nobody else is even close to ready...
 
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If this was 15 years ago, Garza would have looked like a lock for the NBA at some point. Now, I'm not sure he makes it. Is there a current NBA player who is comparable to him?

Dirk Nowitzky right now maybe.

Garza wont be able play in the NBA because of his lack of lateral mobility.

It's a prerequisite for a 5 in the nba now to be able to defend the high screen because everyone is running that as the foundation of their offense.
 
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Could be wrong but I don't see writing off Moss. The boys are only four games in. He played well in New York. Its going to be a long season.

Of course, CMcC has a higher upper end and the sooner he gets there the better for the team and the fewer the Moss minutes.

Luka is not going to the NBA after this season. Maybe after he's a senior but I don't see him as an early entrant. As a college player he's very good and getting even better.
 
While I agree with not writing off Isaiah Moss, I could also see Moss being on a different college team's roster next year, if his academics are in order and he is able to transfer out as a grad transfer. If Maishe Dailey, Connor McCaffery and Joe Wieskamp continue to progress, I think that they offer better ball-handling and better defense than Moss. So I think that Maishe, Connor and Joe could see more time late in the games than Moss. I think that Moss continues to start, because if he hits a couple of threes early he has the ability to be a volume scorer. But overall, I think that his minutes and scoring will be down this year because of the emergence of other options at the 2/3 positions.
 
I’m more concerned with having multiple guys in the running for all conference awards by years end.

If Cook and Garza stay hot, and JBo and say Joe round into form and nab all conference as well...I’d say our record and post season chances are in good shape.
 
There are many, many really good college players every year that aren't drafted.

After going through the one and done's, followed by the foreign players, then the All Americans and 1st team power conference all league guys, I'm not seeing where there would be a spot for Cook in the draft let alone any other Hawk.
 
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Cook and moss will be playing in Europe. NBA is a tough ticket- maybe 2-3 big ten players make it yearly
 
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Cook and moss will be playing in Europe. NBA is a tough ticket- maybe 2-3 big ten players make it yearly

except of course this year where you had 8 B1G players drafted and I believe 4 are firmly on rosters and a couple others on 2 way contracts. I haven't gone back beyond last year to substantiate your claim that only 2-3 B1G players make it in the league annually, on the surface it sounds false.
 
When and if Cook goes, it will leave a huge hole to fill on this Hawkeye team and there is no one on the horizon that this staff is even looking at, to replace his skill set. Nunge and PMac doesn't even come close.
If Moss loses playing time to CMac, I can see him jumping ship and testing the waters oversees. Those 2 are the only ones that are likely to leave after this season that are not seniors.
 
except of course this year where you had 8 B1G players drafted and I believe 4 are firmly on rosters and a couple others on 2 way contracts. I haven't gone back beyond last year to substantiate your claim that only 2-3 B1G players make it in the league annually, on the surface it sounds false.
Yep... from my quick count, there have been 7 NBA debuts from former B1G players this year so far, 8 plus Andrew White the year before, 10 the year before that.
 
except of course this year where you had 8 B1G players drafted and I believe 4 are firmly on rosters and a couple others on 2 way contracts. I haven't gone back beyond last year to substantiate your claim that only 2-3 B1G players make it in the league annually, on the surface it sounds false.

Very few college players make it in general.

The NBA doesn't have allot of yearly turnover.

2-3 per conference is probably about right outside of 1 and dones. Most draftees dont make it, it's not like football.
 
Garza is more Athletic than most of you will admit. to the poster who said Garza can't block recheck your thoughts
Garza led the team in blocks and the only other FR in Iowa's history that had more was Aciec Earle the all time leader in Iowa's history.
if Garza plays in the NBA it will be as a 4 not a 5.
 
Garza is more Athletic than most of you will admit. to the poster who said Garza can't block recheck your thoughts
Garza led the team in blocks and the only other FR in Iowa's history that had more was Aciec Earle the all time leader in Iowa's history.
if Garza plays in the NBA it will be as a 4 not a 5.

Hey, look.....Handiposter is making up stats again!

FIVE Iowa freshman have had more blocks than Garza did last year.
Acie Earl
Chris Street
Ryan Bowen
Guy Rucker
Melsahn Basabe
 
When and if Cook goes, it will leave a huge hole to fill on this Hawkeye team and there is no one on the horizon that this staff is even looking at, to replace his skill set. Nunge and PMac doesn't even come close.
If Moss loses playing time to CMac, I can see him jumping ship and testing the waters oversees. Those 2 are the only ones that are likely to leave after this season that are not seniors.

We will see on Cook. Nunge has some good size. Moves well with the ball. And has a good outside shot... If he could put on a little more muscle and become consistent at the 3pt shot, then he will be one heck of a stretch 4.

Our spacing would be phenomenal with two bigs draining 3s. That would leave the middle wide open for anyone to drive.

I would not sell Jack short... Remember, last year he played almost the entire year out of position at the 3 spot... Redshirting is really going to do him well. As it will for the Hawks. Count on it!
 
We will see on Cook. Nunge has some good size. Moves well with the ball. And has a good outside shot... If he could put on a little more muscle and become consistent at the 3pt shot, then he will be one heck of a stretch 4.

Our spacing would be phenomenal with two bigs draining 3s. That would leave the middle wide open for anyone to drive.

I would not sell Jack short... Remember, last year he played almost the entire year out of position at the 3 spot... Redshirting is really going to do him well. As it will for the Hawks. Count on it!

Stretch 5 imo.
 
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Garza in the NBA is a big stretch unless he gets quicker, more athletic, and thicker. I think he will have a nice career over seas.

The NBA 5 is going to a 5 that is athletic enough to guard the perimeter and is good at switching aka Myles Turner or a 5 that is a rebounding and defensive specialist. Garza is neither unfortunately.
 
Garza in the NBA is a big stretch unless he gets quicker, more athletic, and thicker. I think he will have a nice career over seas.

The NBA 5 is going to a 5 that is athletic enough to guard the perimeter and is good at switching aka Myles Turner or a 5 that is a rebounding and defensive specialist. Garza is neither unfortunately.


I agree on him needing to develop his already decent athleticism and speed (for a near 7 ft) I think we need to give credence to the work he has already put in on those areas however ( total transformation from his HS body) .. and I see room for it to continue. However, his stroke and his outside shot are game changing elements in very high demand at the 4/5 in the current NBA and will be the things that ultimately get him there in a year or two ( totally dependent on development).
 
I agree on him needing to develop his already decent athleticism and speed (for a near 7 ft) I think we need to give credence to the work he has already put in on those areas however ( total transformation from his HS body) .. and I see room for it to continue. However, his stroke and his outside shot are game changing elements in very high demand at the 4/5 in the current NBA and will be the things that ultimately get him there in a year or two ( totally dependent on development).

There is no spot for a big that cant defend screens in the nba. There just isn't.
 
I agree on him needing to develop his already decent athleticism and speed (for a near 7 ft) I think we need to give credence to the work he has already put in on those areas however ( total transformation from his HS body) .. and I see room for it to continue. However, his stroke and his outside shot are game changing elements in very high demand at the 4/5 in the current NBA and will be the things that ultimately get him there in a year or two ( totally dependent on development).

I disagree on your last part of your assessment. Only basketball I watch is a lot of the NBA and the Hawks. He has a nice stroke but if you can’t guard on the perimeter the chance of you getting in the league are very minimal unless like I said you are one of the 5s I listed in my previous post or I guess like a special player like Anthony Davis or Nikola Jokic. I hope he proves me wrong!
 
I disagree on your last part of your assessment. Only basketball I watch is a lot of the NBA and the Hawks. He has a nice stroke but if you can’t guard on the perimeter the chance of you getting in the league are very minimal unless like I said you are one of the 5s I listed in my previous post or I guess like a special player like Anthony Davis or Nikola Jokic. I hope he proves me wrong!

He’s a sophomore, and honestly the emphasis that you are putting on his defense at the perimeter is overblown. I’ve not seen anything egregious from him defensively out there and since defense is 85 percent effort I think it’s safe to say even if he is limited he’s at least 90 percent there. If we are being honest any chance Garza would have at the NBA would come from a niche role as a stretch 4/5 who is excellent offensively and gives solid effort everywhere else.
It may never happen, but the league is historically full of guys who worked their way into solid careers as backups and role players with less.
My guess is if he continues to improve he could have a cup of coffee up there, even if he doesn't however, he is clearly going to have a great college career.
 
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