Why are there less regular season matches than the old days?

[Hawky42]

Nobody wrestles 150 matches in there career anymore despite the season being almost 5 months.
I wish we got more meets in.
Guys needmore action, wether it's vs lower level wrestlers to tune up, or higher level to see what you are and need to work on.

College wrestling season is long in time but short on matches.

I think it's a shame and would make everyone better.

 

[vhsalum]

Nobody wrestles 150 matches in there career anymore despite the season being almost 5 months.
I wish we got more meets in.
Guys needmore action, wether it's vs lower level wrestlers to tune up, or higher level to see what you are and need to work on.

College wrestling season is long in time but short on matches.

I think it's a shame and would make everyone better.

It won't make them better. They'll get more hurt.

The biggest reason is the mileage these guys have on their body from youth/ms/high school.

The number of d1 guys that didn't wrestle year round since at 7th/8th grade is miniscule. They just can't handle the wear and tear. Especially because the training is so hard and the weight cut is still hard for 90% of guys.

 

[globalhawk]

Nobody wrestles 150 matches in there career anymore despite the season being almost 5 months.
I wish we got more meets in.
Guys needmore action, wether it's vs lower level wrestlers to tune up, or higher level to see what you are and need to work on.

College wrestling season is long in time but short on matches.

I think it's a shame and would make everyone better.

Fewer programs.

 

[sdvike]

More matches would make me happy. It would be great if they had a couple of meets each week to watch.

 

[HawkAlum2002]

Teams are only allowed 16 competition dates for the regular season, so you'd need guys competing in more opens unattached if they were to reach the total number of matches of previous seasons. Brandon Sorensen had a bunch his frosh year because he was in nothing but opens before second semester for instance. Spencer probably would've racked up a bunch more wins (and not finished with under 100) had he been healthier his freshman year before deciding to pull his shirt. But it'd almost have to be a situation like that where a guy is either redshirting or doesn't become the starter until later on so they are staying busy elsewhere. But that's only going to happen one year at most for a guy.

 

[Grip220]

Teams are only allowed 16 competition dates for the regular season, so you'd need guys competing in more opens unattached if they were to reach the total number of matches of previous seasons. Brandon Sorensen had a bunch his frosh year because he was in nothing but opens before second semester for instance. Spencer probably would've racked up a bunch more wins (and not finished with under 100) had he been healthier his freshman year before deciding to pull his shirt. But it'd almost have to be a situation like that where a guy is either redshirting or doesn't become the starter until later on so they are staying busy elsewhere. But that's only going to happen one year at most for a guy.

This is what we were talking about a few years ago. There should be more matches, duals or tournaments for the guys that are non starters, room guys or redshirts. Start a few more open tournaments, have “JV” matches before the dual meets, something more for these wrestlers that may never break the lineups.

 

[HawkeyePA]

I think...so its only my opinion but the weigh ins are the real problem for so many matches... it forces the guys to keep their weight down to scratch weight for almost 5 months as a match a week allows them to go up a bit and recover before making the cut again and eventually the cut is " supposedly easier to make" but I think if the kids start the "yoyo"... Extreme gain and loss deal every week it is even more damaging to their body. In Pennsylvania they give the weight classes a 2lb growth allowance in January But the NCAA is a different animal.

 

[TrollsRus]

It won't make them better. They'll get more hurt.

Askren would strongly disagree with that first statement.

The irony is it seems like injuries are more prevalent today with less matches than the Gable coaching era.

 

[sdvike]

This is what we were talking about a few years ago. There should be more matches, duals or tournaments for the guys that are non starters, room guys or redshirts. Start a few more open tournaments, have “JV” matches before the dual meets, something more for these wrestlers that may never break the lineups.

We had the extra matches for a few years ago and it was great. I wonder if it is a financial issue for universities to send extra athletes to events.

With the open tournaments, I think the redshirts have to pay their own way because of not representing the university and going unattached. Maybe Hawk Wrestling gives them work for money to help fund the tournaments.

 

[vhsalum]

Askren would strongly disagree with that first statement.

The irony is it seems like injuries are more prevalent today with less matches than the Gable coaching era.

He's also not a college coach. So he doesn't understand it the same way. He'd figure it out pretty quickly.

One thing that was said above as well is that a premium is put on duals (which is way more important for the sport). So guys just can't get that many matches because they wrestle less tournaments.

And definitely true about injuries. WAY more now. A lot of that has to do with the wear-and-tear these guys already have when they get to college and the higher prevalence of scrambling. Knees, hips and shoulders getting twisted.

 

[Grip220]

We had the extra matches for a few years ago and it was great. I wonder if it is a financial issue for universities to send extra athletes to events.

With the open tournaments, I think the redshirts have to pay their own way because of not representing the university and going unattached. Maybe Hawk Wrestling gives them work for money to help fund the tournaments.

This would be a perfect thing for donations to go to

 

[Pennstate1985]

It won't make them better. They'll get more hurt.

The biggest reason is the mileage these guys have on their body from youth/ms/high school.

The number of d1 guys that didn't wrestle year round since at 7th/8th grade is miniscule. They just can't handle the wear and tear. Especially because the training is so hard and the weight cut is still hard for 90% of guys.

Then how do you explain Cael or DT or many guys from the 80s through the 2010s?

 

[vhsalum]

Then how do you explain Cael or DT or many guys from the 80s through the 2010s?

Exactly.

 

[HawkeyeMass]

Then how do you explain Cael or DT or many guys from the 80s through the 2010s?

You ask that question as if every athlete that wrestled year round since the age of 7 is having season ending injuries. The better question is what has changed in the last 30 years resulting in increased rates of injury. Colleges no longer train anything like they did in the 80s and 90s.

 

[vhsalum]

You ask that question as if every athlete that wrestled year round since the age of 7 is having season ending injuries. The better question is what has changed in the last 30 years resulting in increased rates of injury. Colleges no longer train anything like they did in the 80s and 90s.

You’d be surprised.

 

[HawkeyeMass]

You’d be surprised.

I’d be surprised at what?

 

[vhsalum]

I’d be surprised at what?

How similar training still is to the 80s and 90s for most schools.

 

[cidhawkeye]

How similar training still is to the 80s and 90s for most schools.

Similar to when you were at Iowa?

 

[Inthecircle]

The injuries have as much to do with today’s style than anything. What purpose does a Potentially Dangerous call serve? It’s certainly not called for its intended purpose, to eliminate injuries. It’s now called to prevent surgery.
It’s knee and ankle injuries that put guys on the shelf, due to extreme amount of scrambling in Folkstyle.