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Why Canadians aren't going to stop buying American, tariffs or no tariffs...

The Tradition

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When I moved to New York a decade ago, my family and friends in Canada turned me into their cross-border mule.

It was never drugs, alcohol or cigarettes that I was asked to smuggle across the border to avoid paying a hefty tariff or Canada Customs duty.

It was refrigerator screws, a barbecue cover, and camera and bicycle parts — items that Amazon and other online retailers in the US just don’t bother shipping north of the border because of the myriad and dizzying array of tariffs and taxes that Canada charges its citizens on goods they buy in the U.S.

So when Canadians responded to President Trump’s recent war of words with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over free trade by promising to cancel their US vacations and boycott American products last week, I was skeptical.

While many Canadians are threatening never to consume Kentucky bourbon and Florida oranges, they are unlikely to give up shopping in the US — a pursuit as quintessentially Canadian as curling and maple syrup.

Despite huge tariff barriers and taxes that act as a virtual wall between the world’s longest international border, Canada imported a total of $98.9 billion in products from the US in the first four months of 2018, according to the US Census Bureau.

Skirting those tariffs is a national sport.

My brother has become a master. He once had a rowing machine shipped to my colleague’s tiny Union Square studio apartment, where it languished for days until he made the 10-hour drive each way to haul it back to Ontario in his truck.

He never fully explained how he hid the equipment from Canada Customs officials when he had to drive across the border. But had he shipped it directly to Canada he would have paid exponentially more than the $2,000 sticker price. In fact, it would have cost him an extra $360.08 in federal and provincial taxes, and $169.05 in Canada Customs duty.

Despite feel-good government initiatives that urged us to “Buy Canadian,” we knew that the good stuff was always in the US.

In the early 1980s, my brother and I used to make the two-hour drive to Buffalo from our home in Toronto to buy blue jeans. Back then, you couldn’t find Levis 501s in Canada at any price.

Across the border, they were $15 at The Gap. We rolled up our old pants and stuffed them in the trunk of the car, and wore our new jeans for the ride home.

A Canadian who once lived in Vancouver told me he would cross the border into Seattle to buy outdoor equipment that he simply couldn’t find in Canada.

“Before we crossed back into Canada, we’d remove the price tags and make sure that the new equipment looked as dusty as possible,” he said.

A Toronto-based designer I know purchased two pairs of shoes (retail $800 each) online from a midtown department store and shipped them to my office. The Italian contraband sat under my desk for weeks until I could entrust them to a carrier who would be crossing the border. I finally convinced my nephew who had been visiting New York to stuff them into his back-pack and rendezvous with the designer in Toronto for the drop-off. My friend saved $159.59 in combined federal and provincial taxes, and $187.26 in estimated customs charges.

Canadians are allowed $540 in exemptions if they have been out of the country for more than 48 hours. The exemption for Americans traveling abroad is $800.

As for my brother, the Canadian exemption barely covers the crates of pecans and walnuts he recently brought back for his parrots or the Swiss watches he entrusted to an American friend to carry over the border.

Last week, he told me about his next purchase — an industrial vacuum cleaner that picks up sawdust. He is planning the drive to Rochester, NY, to pick it up.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/16/why-canadians-will-never-give-up-american-products/
 
They still bought hockey skates from US (and other) companies. For an example, Bauer hockey equipment was subject to large import duties. You paid a significant amount more for skates north of the border than in the US. (Bauer is a US based company today). Back in the day, I would ship a ton of skates north of the border labeled as “gifts” or something nondescript. I think the duty was nearly 18% and I think a VAT was included as well. They may have finally done away with that 3-4 years ago.
 
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Canada's boycott will largely go nowhere. But the damage is already done. Trump's trade war has stifled to market and isn't likely to be winnable. He's been at it for months with China. He seems to have forgotten about his trade war with South Korea. Canada will be just another example of Trump's laziness and underestimating of this issue.
 
20 hours of driving to save $530? Ummm ok....

My brother has become a master. He once had a rowing machine shipped to my colleague’s tiny Union Square studio apartment, where it languished for days until he made the 10-hour drive each way to haul it back to Ontario in his truck.

He never fully explained how he hid the equipment from Canada Customs officials when he had to drive across the border. But had he shipped it directly to Canada he would have paid exponentially more than the $2,000 sticker price. In fact, it would have cost him an extra $360.08 in federal and provincial taxes, and $169.05 in Canada Customs duty
 
Trump is winning the trade war. It isn't close and it is about time. Our allies havhave acted poorly in their relationship with us as trading partners. China has acted even worse.

There seems to be a fatalistic view of American ability to negotiate and stand for American interests in business. The truth is we are smarter and better than them despite all reports to the contrary. We aren't the strongest economy by chance. We are better.
 
Trump is winning the trade war. It isn't close and it is about time. Our allies havhave acted poorly in their relationship with us as trading partners. China has acted even worse.

There seems to be a fatalistic view of American ability to negotiate and stand for American interests in business. The truth is we are smarter and better than them despite all reports to the contrary. We aren't the strongest economy by chance. We are better.
Please explain how Trump is winning the trade war.
 
If you believe Canada will buy American regardless of tariffs, then similarly, Americans will continue to buy Chinese and Mexican goods with tariffs. What a great deal for American consumers.
 
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When I moved to New York a decade ago, my family and friends in Canada turned me into their cross-border mule.

It was never drugs, alcohol or cigarettes that I was asked to smuggle across the border to avoid paying a hefty tariff or Canada Customs duty.

It was refrigerator screws, a barbecue cover, and camera and bicycle parts — items that Amazon and other online retailers in the US just don’t bother shipping north of the border because of the myriad and dizzying array of tariffs and taxes that Canada charges its citizens on goods they buy in the U.S.

So when Canadians responded to President Trump’s recent war of words with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over free trade by promising to cancel their US vacations and boycott American products last week, I was skeptical.

While many Canadians are threatening never to consume Kentucky bourbon and Florida oranges, they are unlikely to give up shopping in the US — a pursuit as quintessentially Canadian as curling and maple syrup.

Despite huge tariff barriers and taxes that act as a virtual wall between the world’s longest international border, Canada imported a total of $98.9 billion in products from the US in the first four months of 2018, according to the US Census Bureau.

Skirting those tariffs is a national sport.

My brother has become a master. He once had a rowing machine shipped to my colleague’s tiny Union Square studio apartment, where it languished for days until he made the 10-hour drive each way to haul it back to Ontario in his truck.

He never fully explained how he hid the equipment from Canada Customs officials when he had to drive across the border. But had he shipped it directly to Canada he would have paid exponentially more than the $2,000 sticker price. In fact, it would have cost him an extra $360.08 in federal and provincial taxes, and $169.05 in Canada Customs duty.

Despite feel-good government initiatives that urged us to “Buy Canadian,” we knew that the good stuff was always in the US.

In the early 1980s, my brother and I used to make the two-hour drive to Buffalo from our home in Toronto to buy blue jeans. Back then, you couldn’t find Levis 501s in Canada at any price.

Across the border, they were $15 at The Gap. We rolled up our old pants and stuffed them in the trunk of the car, and wore our new jeans for the ride home.

A Canadian who once lived in Vancouver told me he would cross the border into Seattle to buy outdoor equipment that he simply couldn’t find in Canada.

“Before we crossed back into Canada, we’d remove the price tags and make sure that the new equipment looked as dusty as possible,” he said.

A Toronto-based designer I know purchased two pairs of shoes (retail $800 each) online from a midtown department store and shipped them to my office. The Italian contraband sat under my desk for weeks until I could entrust them to a carrier who would be crossing the border. I finally convinced my nephew who had been visiting New York to stuff them into his back-pack and rendezvous with the designer in Toronto for the drop-off. My friend saved $159.59 in combined federal and provincial taxes, and $187.26 in estimated customs charges.

Canadians are allowed $540 in exemptions if they have been out of the country for more than 48 hours. The exemption for Americans traveling abroad is $800.

As for my brother, the Canadian exemption barely covers the crates of pecans and walnuts he recently brought back for his parrots or the Swiss watches he entrusted to an American friend to carry over the border.

Last week, he told me about his next purchase — an industrial vacuum cleaner that picks up sawdust. He is planning the drive to Rochester, NY, to pick it up.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/16/why-canadians-will-never-give-up-american-products/
The Tariff war is going to be won by the USA. Our economy is so huge that we can bury everyone else before they can bury us. The reason this pisses off liberals is because all the countries being hit are their progressive buddies, and that includes commie china. They all have been using the USA as their piggy bank, they are using us to supply the money to feed their progressive agenda. That is coming to an end, and all the progressive leaders are going down, slowly, but surely.
 
You first. Explain how we are losing the trade war specifically. Also please include Chinese currency manipulation basically forever.
Stagnant market. Hundreds of millions of dollars in lost exports. MidWest has sold a lot less food to China. And Trump continously playing a game of will I or won't I enforce tariffs?

Your turn.
 
It was never drugs, alcohol or cigarettes that I was asked to smuggle across the border to avoid paying a hefty tariff or Canada Customs duty.
Won't they just continue doing this and not paying a tariff? Sounds like we need to set up encampments at the border for screw and bbq cover smugglers. Hopefully the smugglers will even bring their children.
 
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Canadians have nothing without US products, They eat tons of American food, wear American brand clothing, watch US Sports and TV shows , watch and obsess about US politics , they are the international version of Iowa State.
 
When I moved to New York a decade ago, my family and friends in Canada turned me into their cross-border mule.

It was never drugs, alcohol or cigarettes that I was asked to smuggle across the border to avoid paying a hefty tariff or Canada Customs duty.

It was refrigerator screws, a barbecue cover, and camera and bicycle parts — items that Amazon and other online retailers in the US just don’t bother shipping north of the border because of the myriad and dizzying array of tariffs and taxes that Canada charges its citizens on goods they buy in the U.S.

So when Canadians responded to President Trump’s recent war of words with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over free trade by promising to cancel their US vacations and boycott American products last week, I was skeptical.

While many Canadians are threatening never to consume Kentucky bourbon and Florida oranges, they are unlikely to give up shopping in the US — a pursuit as quintessentially Canadian as curling and maple syrup.

Despite huge tariff barriers and taxes that act as a virtual wall between the world’s longest international border, Canada imported a total of $98.9 billion in products from the US in the first four months of 2018, according to the US Census Bureau.

Skirting those tariffs is a national sport.

My brother has become a master. He once had a rowing machine shipped to my colleague’s tiny Union Square studio apartment, where it languished for days until he made the 10-hour drive each way to haul it back to Ontario in his truck.

He never fully explained how he hid the equipment from Canada Customs officials when he had to drive across the border. But had he shipped it directly to Canada he would have paid exponentially more than the $2,000 sticker price. In fact, it would have cost him an extra $360.08 in federal and provincial taxes, and $169.05 in Canada Customs duty.

Despite feel-good government initiatives that urged us to “Buy Canadian,” we knew that the good stuff was always in the US.

In the early 1980s, my brother and I used to make the two-hour drive to Buffalo from our home in Toronto to buy blue jeans. Back then, you couldn’t find Levis 501s in Canada at any price.

Across the border, they were $15 at The Gap. We rolled up our old pants and stuffed them in the trunk of the car, and wore our new jeans for the ride home.

A Canadian who once lived in Vancouver told me he would cross the border into Seattle to buy outdoor equipment that he simply couldn’t find in Canada.

“Before we crossed back into Canada, we’d remove the price tags and make sure that the new equipment looked as dusty as possible,” he said.

A Toronto-based designer I know purchased two pairs of shoes (retail $800 each) online from a midtown department store and shipped them to my office. The Italian contraband sat under my desk for weeks until I could entrust them to a carrier who would be crossing the border. I finally convinced my nephew who had been visiting New York to stuff them into his back-pack and rendezvous with the designer in Toronto for the drop-off. My friend saved $159.59 in combined federal and provincial taxes, and $187.26 in estimated customs charges.

Canadians are allowed $540 in exemptions if they have been out of the country for more than 48 hours. The exemption for Americans traveling abroad is $800.

As for my brother, the Canadian exemption barely covers the crates of pecans and walnuts he recently brought back for his parrots or the Swiss watches he entrusted to an American friend to carry over the border.

Last week, he told me about his next purchase — an industrial vacuum cleaner that picks up sawdust. He is planning the drive to Rochester, NY, to pick it up.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/16/why-canadians-will-never-give-up-american-products/
I'm going to do what I can to mend relations, starting Saturday, Going up there, going to spend a lot of money on golf, beer, booze, french fries.
 
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When I moved to New York a decade ago, my family and friends in Canada turned me into their cross-border mule.

It was never drugs, alcohol or cigarettes that I was asked to smuggle across the border to avoid paying a hefty tariff or Canada Customs duty.

It was refrigerator screws, a barbecue cover, and camera and bicycle parts — items that Amazon and other online retailers in the US just don’t bother shipping north of the border because of the myriad and dizzying array of tariffs and taxes that Canada charges its citizens on goods they buy in the U.S.

So when Canadians responded to President Trump’s recent war of words with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over free trade by promising to cancel their US vacations and boycott American products last week, I was skeptical.

While many Canadians are threatening never to consume Kentucky bourbon and Florida oranges, they are unlikely to give up shopping in the US — a pursuit as quintessentially Canadian as curling and maple syrup.

Despite huge tariff barriers and taxes that act as a virtual wall between the world’s longest international border, Canada imported a total of $98.9 billion in products from the US in the first four months of 2018, according to the US Census Bureau.

Skirting those tariffs is a national sport.

My brother has become a master. He once had a rowing machine shipped to my colleague’s tiny Union Square studio apartment, where it languished for days until he made the 10-hour drive each way to haul it back to Ontario in his truck.

He never fully explained how he hid the equipment from Canada Customs officials when he had to drive across the border. But had he shipped it directly to Canada he would have paid exponentially more than the $2,000 sticker price. In fact, it would have cost him an extra $360.08 in federal and provincial taxes, and $169.05 in Canada Customs duty.

Despite feel-good government initiatives that urged us to “Buy Canadian,” we knew that the good stuff was always in the US.

In the early 1980s, my brother and I used to make the two-hour drive to Buffalo from our home in Toronto to buy blue jeans. Back then, you couldn’t find Levis 501s in Canada at any price.

Across the border, they were $15 at The Gap. We rolled up our old pants and stuffed them in the trunk of the car, and wore our new jeans for the ride home.

A Canadian who once lived in Vancouver told me he would cross the border into Seattle to buy outdoor equipment that he simply couldn’t find in Canada.

“Before we crossed back into Canada, we’d remove the price tags and make sure that the new equipment looked as dusty as possible,” he said.

A Toronto-based designer I know purchased two pairs of shoes (retail $800 each) online from a midtown department store and shipped them to my office. The Italian contraband sat under my desk for weeks until I could entrust them to a carrier who would be crossing the border. I finally convinced my nephew who had been visiting New York to stuff them into his back-pack and rendezvous with the designer in Toronto for the drop-off. My friend saved $159.59 in combined federal and provincial taxes, and $187.26 in estimated customs charges.

Canadians are allowed $540 in exemptions if they have been out of the country for more than 48 hours. The exemption for Americans traveling abroad is $800.

As for my brother, the Canadian exemption barely covers the crates of pecans and walnuts he recently brought back for his parrots or the Swiss watches he entrusted to an American friend to carry over the border.

Last week, he told me about his next purchase — an industrial vacuum cleaner that picks up sawdust. He is planning the drive to Rochester, NY, to pick it up.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/16/why-canadians-will-never-give-up-american-products/


Or, why will Americans start paying more for products that are imported.
 
Stagnant market. Hundreds of millions of dollars in lost exports. MidWest has sold a lot less food to China. And Trump continously playing a game of will I or won't I enforce tariffs?

Your turn.

Don't see much stagnation yet....

Chinese currency manipulation depressing their cost of labor and essentially stealing the means of production for decades. Losing jobs hasn't been just about the American worker outpricing the value of their labor. It has also been about the Chinese stealing through currency manipulation.

Trump has called them out and they are losing
 
Chinese currency manipulation depressing their cost of labor and essentially stealing the means of production for decades. Losing jobs hasn't been just about the American worker outpricing the value of their labor. It has also been about the Chinese stealing through currency manipulation.

If China has been weakening their currency (likely) that is a subsidy to the American consumer. The opposite of stealing. Granted, it hurts American steel etc.
 
20 hours of driving to save $530? Ummm ok....

My brother has become a master. He once had a rowing machine shipped to my colleague’s tiny Union Square studio apartment, where it languished for days until he made the 10-hour drive each way to haul it back to Ontario in his truck.

He never fully explained how he hid the equipment from Canada Customs officials when he had to drive across the border. But had he shipped it directly to Canada he would have paid exponentially more than the $2,000 sticker price. In fact, it would have cost him an extra $360.08 in federal and provincial taxes, and $169.05 in Canada Customs duty
I was thinking the same thing. Unless he had another reason for driving to New York, he probably spent half the savings on gas plus he risked a huge fine and possible criminal charges if Customs officials caught him.
 
If China has been weakening their currency (likely) that is a subsidy to the American consumer. The opposite of stealing. Granted, it hurts American steel etc.

You think number one that the Chinese have not been manipulating their currency and number two if they have it is good for the American consumer? You must be kidding.
 
When I moved to New York a decade ago, my family and friends in Canada turned me into their cross-border mule.

It was never drugs, alcohol or cigarettes that I was asked to smuggle across the border to avoid paying a hefty tariff or Canada Customs duty.

It was refrigerator screws, a barbecue cover, and camera and bicycle parts — items that Amazon and other online retailers in the US just don’t bother shipping north of the border because of the myriad and dizzying array of tariffs and taxes that Canada charges its citizens on goods they buy in the U.S.

So when Canadians responded to President Trump’s recent war of words with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over free trade by promising to cancel their US vacations and boycott American products last week, I was skeptical.

While many Canadians are threatening never to consume Kentucky bourbon and Florida oranges, they are unlikely to give up shopping in the US — a pursuit as quintessentially Canadian as curling and maple syrup.

Despite huge tariff barriers and taxes that act as a virtual wall between the world’s longest international border, Canada imported a total of $98.9 billion in products from the US in the first four months of 2018, according to the US Census Bureau.

Skirting those tariffs is a national sport.

My brother has become a master. He once had a rowing machine shipped to my colleague’s tiny Union Square studio apartment, where it languished for days until he made the 10-hour drive each way to haul it back to Ontario in his truck.

He never fully explained how he hid the equipment from Canada Customs officials when he had to drive across the border. But had he shipped it directly to Canada he would have paid exponentially more than the $2,000 sticker price. In fact, it would have cost him an extra $360.08 in federal and provincial taxes, and $169.05 in Canada Customs duty.

Despite feel-good government initiatives that urged us to “Buy Canadian,” we knew that the good stuff was always in the US.

In the early 1980s, my brother and I used to make the two-hour drive to Buffalo from our home in Toronto to buy blue jeans. Back then, you couldn’t find Levis 501s in Canada at any price.

Across the border, they were $15 at The Gap. We rolled up our old pants and stuffed them in the trunk of the car, and wore our new jeans for the ride home.

A Canadian who once lived in Vancouver told me he would cross the border into Seattle to buy outdoor equipment that he simply couldn’t find in Canada.

“Before we crossed back into Canada, we’d remove the price tags and make sure that the new equipment looked as dusty as possible,” he said.

A Toronto-based designer I know purchased two pairs of shoes (retail $800 each) online from a midtown department store and shipped them to my office. The Italian contraband sat under my desk for weeks until I could entrust them to a carrier who would be crossing the border. I finally convinced my nephew who had been visiting New York to stuff them into his back-pack and rendezvous with the designer in Toronto for the drop-off. My friend saved $159.59 in combined federal and provincial taxes, and $187.26 in estimated customs charges.

Canadians are allowed $540 in exemptions if they have been out of the country for more than 48 hours. The exemption for Americans traveling abroad is $800.

As for my brother, the Canadian exemption barely covers the crates of pecans and walnuts he recently brought back for his parrots or the Swiss watches he entrusted to an American friend to carry over the border.

Last week, he told me about his next purchase — an industrial vacuum cleaner that picks up sawdust. He is planning the drive to Rochester, NY, to pick it up.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/16/why-canadians-will-never-give-up-american-products/
I'm wondeering about prescription drugs and oil.
 
Is the anecdotal premise here supposed to be that tariffs don't work, and are counter productive? Because I'll buy that.
 
You think number one that the Chinese have not been manipulating their currency and number two if they have it is good for the American consumer? You must be kidding.
On one, I said it was likely that they have been keeping their currency weaker. On two, it's basic economics. If my dollar can buy 1.2 Chinese widgets instead of 1, that helps me.
 
Likely doing it? Likely? It isn't likely it is a deliberate policy they have followed for decades to deliberately depress the cost of labor and infrastructure to steal the means of production.

It isn't likely. It is absolutely.

I guess you don't see the problem with that for the American worker though do you?
 
Likely doing it? Likely? It isn't likely it is a deliberate policy they have followed for decades to deliberately depress the cost of labor and infrastructure to steal the means of production.

It isn't likely. It is absolutely.

I guess you don't see the problem with that for the American worker though do you?
Yes, it does hurt American workers and helps American consumers.
 
Is that true? It's definitely long. Looks like the longest with a single other state. But not longer than Russia's border. Or China's. Or Brazil's?

The Canada–United States border, officially known as the International Boundary, is the longest international border in the world between two countries. It is shared between Canada and the United States, the second- and fourth-largest countries by area, respectively. The terrestrial boundary (including portions of maritime boundaries in the Great Lakes, and on the Atlantic, Pacific, and Arctic coasts) is 8,891 kilometres (5,525 mi) long, of which 2,475 kilometres (1,538 mi) is Canada's border with Alaska. Eight Canadian provinces and territories (Yukon, British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, and New Brunswick), and thirteen U.S. states (Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine) are located along the border.
 
The Tariff war is going to be won by the USA. Our economy is so huge that we can bury everyone else before they can bury us. The reason this pisses off liberals is because all the countries being hit are their progressive buddies, and that includes commie china. They all have been using the USA as their piggy bank, they are using us to supply the money to feed their progressive agenda. That is coming to an end, and all the progressive leaders are going down, slowly, but surely.

China is progressive??? Bwhahahahaha!

China is what the GOP wants America to look like. Corporations hold all the power and people are expendable pieces that are easily replaced to make the machine work.
 
China is progressive??? Bwhahahahaha!

China is what the GOP wants America to look like. Corporations hold all the power and people are expendable pieces that are easily replaced to make the machine work.
And their president is elected for life.
 
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